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Speaking of favouring one gender to such a skewed degree, how about letting men compete against women in professional sport? Wary of that one at all?
Are you honestly saying professional sport favors women?
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Speaking of favouring one gender to such a skewed degree, how about letting men compete against women in professional sport? Wary of that one at all?
It's odd that someone with a penis is my central issue? When discussing eligibility for a women's comp?
I understand that.
My point is that even before you look at the unfair advantage argument, you need to look at whether the individual is anatomically one sex or the other. That's our starting point.
I don't think the suggestion was that a penis gives an advantage. Certainly I've made similar observations today to Wing It and it was nothing about a perceived advantage. It's just that if you have a penis then surely, surely, you shouldn't be participating in a female comp.Kind of is. A wang in and of itself doesnt provide a competitive advantage.
Testosterone does (among other hormones that are in abundance in males and not women).
Of all the aspects that provide a greater physical advantage to men over women, a penis isnt really one of them.
Or unfair advantage by I don't know being genetically male?the only reasonable reason the AFL could deny her application to play is safety
I don't think the suggestion was that a penis gives an advantage. Certainly I've made similar observations today to Wing It and it was nothing about a perceived advantage. It's just that if you have a penis then surely, surely, you shouldn't be participating in a female comp.
You just shattered the theory of the patriarchy.I dont think that should be the starting point.
If a woman (born a male) undergoes hormone blocking pre puberty (and thus never gets the advantage of testosterone spike at puberty that causes increased muscle mass and bone density and aggression in men) but retains her penis, Im not seeing a competitive advantage here.
Ive seen women that have done this, and in most cases they look like women having skipped male puberty, and instead undergone female hormone treatment. They dont have any kind of marked advantage.
If the inverse is true (she experienced puberty as a man, and only just started hormone therapy, retaining the advantages of increased musculature etc) but has had her penis removed recently she has an actual physical advantage.
Thats a far more relevant issue here. The existence of a penis doesnt give one any kind of advantage (testes perhaps, but again, for hormonal reasons).
Hannah has 15cm of height on Serena and if Google is correct then also 30kgs on her too.Serena Williams could take out Hannah and they would let Serena play. Testosterone ect excuses good enough?
If a transgender played aflw it's ratings would likely be higher, at least in the short term. If the biological women in the league think its ok to let biological men who think they are women play then let them play. It's really up to them isn't it? Maybe they should let the players in aflw vote on the issue.Serena Williams could take out Hannah and they would let Serena play. Testosterone ect excuses good enough?
Are any of the drugs some transgender people take on the wada banned list? Maybe they could get an exception for it I guess if so. Certainly makes drug testing harder.Hannah has 15cm of height on Serena and if Google is correct then also 30kgs on her too.
Not male to female they take estrogen and testosterone blockers,Are any of the drugs some transgender people take on the wada banned list? Maybe they could get an exception for it I guess if so. Certainly makes drug testing harder.
I don't get why there are gender specific leagues of any sport unless there is a real product diversification . If women are good enough to play afl, let them play against men. Of course it's likely no woman would ever be good enough for afl but that's how it is. Most men aren't good enough for afl, we don't cry a river about it. Aflw will not be popular in the long term because the thing it is offering is worse than mens afl, it's worse than any mens state league and they are barely watched.
Of course if groups like women want to play Aussie rules and just let in the groups they think are alright then let them. I just think it's a sign of the times when the afl is trying to push a vastly inferior product onto the masses and telling us it's a roast dinner. Can't wait for next season's 10 points to 4 points full time score and airballs from 25m out, riveting..
So transwomen only take two things? Test blockers and estrogen? Do you know how that affects their testosterone to epitestosterone ratio? That is used in urine drug tests to detect suspicious stuff.Not male to female they take estrogen and testosterone blockers,
Transmen are administered testosterone supplements and they can compete as a male with them.
Yes but we aren't feminist gender studies professors. We don't understand why it doesn't make sense because we are ignorant fools, or something . If some women can play better than the men in the afl I say let them in! You want the best players in the top league.I don't necessarily agree with all this but I must admit I do get confused at times when we start talking about gender equality and I suppose to an extent homosexuality.
If everything is equal than why do we still have male and female toilets? Why are the male and female leagues separated in almost every sport?
This is the one big problem I have with political correctness. It suits when convenient but doesn't when it's not.
Yes only twoSo transwomen only take two things? Test blockers and estrogen? Do you know how that affects their testosterone to epitestosterone ratio? That is used in urine drug tests to detect suspicious stuff.
I'm certainly no professor but I do deal in common sense!Yes but we aren't feminist gender studies professors. We don't understand why it doesn't make sense because we are ignorant fools, or something . If some women can play better than the men in the afl I say let them in! You want the best players in the top league.
I don't get why there are gender specific leagues of any sport unless there is a real product diversification . If women are good enough to play afl, let them play against men. Of course it's likely no woman would ever be good enough for afl but that's how it is. Most men aren't good enough for afl, we don't cry a river about it. Aflw will not be popular in the long term because the thing it is offering is worse than mens afl, it's worse than any mens state league and they are barely watched.
Of course if groups like women want to play Aussie rules and just let in the groups they think are alright then let them. I just think it's a sign of the times when the afl is trying to push a vastly inferior product onto the masses and telling us it's a roast dinner. Can't wait for next season's 10 points to 4 points full time score and airballs from 25m out, riveting..
This thread is so disappointing.
You can think what you want about the decision, but the venom in the some of your words towards one of the most persecuted minorities and their value as human beings is saddening.
Because you don't agree with something other people do it doesn't mean you don't value them as human beings.
For example, As I Christian I have been taught to love everyone no matter what. I value everyone as a human being and truly believe they shouldnt be bullied or made out to be any less in value.
However, there are things which people do that I as a Christian believe are morally wrong. This is not a personal attack on them. I do things which are morally wrong too on a daily basis. I have to fight against these things and I expect others to pull me up on things when I go wrong (cops, family etc).
I can't change the belief on a transgender or a gay or anything else. I don't devalue them as human beings and I believe that God wants me to love all people the same. Yet I cannot agree and I feel like I must speak out on these issues. Just like I can't change others opinions or beliefs and make them accept mine I don't expect them to change mine or make me accept theirs.
So to all the transgendered etc out there I'm sorry but I don't agree with you and I. Relieve it's morally wrong what you are doing. Please for your own sake accept how God created you