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[BrunoV]

Isn't a sprint from stationary?

Doesn't really give any indication of top end speed. The really quick sprinters should have good 20m I'll bet that the start catches a number of players out.

 

[eDPS]

Agreed, and if it doesn't start with a 2, it isn't above average.

The thing is not many are over 2.90 so 3.05 I'd say would be about average and that's for a midfielder would be way less for the talls

 

[eDPS]

Isn't a sprint from stationary?

Doesn't really give any indication of top end speed. The really quick sprinters should have good 20m I'll bet that the start catches a number of players out.

Yep stationary, the fact that Myles Poholke got a better time than McGrath last year just goes to show how little the tests mean for how quick the player moves in a game

 

[Towno78]

Isn't a sprint from stationary?

Doesn't really give any indication of top end speed. The really quick sprinters should have good 20m I'll bet that the start catches a number of players out.

The start doesn't catch anyone out, they can start whenever they please. You'd have to pretty dumb to miss a self selected start, even for a footy player

 

[Towno78]

The thing is not many are over 2.90 so 3.05 I'd say would be about average and that's for a midfielder would be way less for the talls

Are you saying average across the combine, or average for all players drafted in the ND? And when I say players, I'm only talking midfielders.

Take out the talls, the rookies and the undrafted, and that's the only average I care about. The speculative players are going to be slower on average, as the majority are not AFL quality, and pace will be one of the reasons why.

Anyway, I think we're pretty close in our thoughts. If you think 3.05 is about average (I would say 3 - 3.05), 3.03 certainly isn't above average.

 

[Harlequin Dream]

3.03s is pretty slow for 20m, certainly not above average.

It is above average.

The average from the combine was 3.10s. I assume the average midfielder might be ~3.05s.

I agree that the 20m is not the most useful of the tests, standing start sprints of fresh players is not a common football scenario. However, if you are particularly poor it might stop you from getting drafted.

Despite his 20m time, you could tell McGrath was 'football quick' through testing. He came 2nd in the repeat sprint and 10th in the agility testing. Frequent bursts of running and changes in direction are far more typical football scenarios.

 

[Towno78]

It is above average.

The average from the combine was 3.10s. I assume the average midfielder might be ~3.05s.

I agree that the 20m is not the most useful of the tests, standing start sprints of fresh players is not a common football scenario. However, if you are particularly poor it might stop you from getting drafted.

Despite his 20m time, you could tell McGrath was 'football quick' through testing. He came 2nd in the repeat sprint and 10th in the agility testing. Frequent bursts of running and changes in direction are far more typical football scenarios.

Even if your assumption that about 3.05 is accurate. 3.03s IS about 3.05s, that is average.

The standard error for this test is around 0.03s, so you couldn't even conclude 3.03 was better than 3.05 other than standard error.

 

[Harlequin Dream]

Even if your assumption that about 3.05 is accurate. 3.03s IS about 3.05s, that is average.

The standard error for this test is around 0.03s, so you couldn't even conclude 3.03 was better than 3.05 other than standard error.

I think you are probably splitting hairs for not much benefit.

Ok let's go deeper.

Assuming 3.05s is correct for the broad category of midfielders for which I was referring to non-talls. That includes flankers, pockets, outside runners and inside midfielders. Out of this group the inside midfielders would be the slowest sub-category. I wouldn't be surprised if the average inside mid was closer to 3.10s than 3.05s.

So to be pedantic. I was correct that Kyron was above average for potential draftees, probably correct that he is above average for his specific position but possibly incorrect that he was above average for non-talls in general.

For the record, he tested .17s quicker than Sam Menegola so I am happy with his pace.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Worpel.

If he's there surley we take him don't want to have another Morgan over Mathieson situation again.

 

[Towno78]

I think you are probably splitting hairs for not much benefit.

Ok let's go deeper.

Assuming 3.05s is correct for the broad category of midfielders for which I was referring to non-talls. That includes flankers, pockets, outside runners and inside midfielders. Out of this group the inside midfielders would be the slowest sub-category. I wouldn't be surprised if the average inside mid was closer to 3.10s than 3.05s.

So to be pedantic. I was correct that Kyron was above average for potential draftees, probably correct that he is above average for his specific position but possibly incorrect that he was above average for non-talls in general.

For the record, he tested .17s quicker than Sam Menegola so I am happy with his pace.

Assumption + assumption = HD is correct haha
Let's leave it at, you think he tested above average, I don't. GL to him either way, unless he's drafted by Carlton. * Carlton.

 

[Harlequin Dream]

Assumption + assumption = HD is correct haha
Let's leave it at, you think he tested above average, I don't. GL to him either way, unless he's drafted by Carlton. **** Carlton.

Ok whatever haha

On to more important things...

My favorite smokey who doesn't get talked about is Brodie Carroll from Norwood.

Why I think he has upside:

- one of the players who will be 17 on draft night

- started to play his best football in the last month of the season (improved through the season)

- does the basics well, just needs to fill out

- tested very well in key areas (agility and endurance)

Here are some highlights of him showing his repeat efforts, agility, kicking skills and a very nice hard ball get at 3:55

 

[Snake Charmer]

Ok whatever haha

On to more important things...

My favorite smokey who doesn't get talked about is Brodie Carroll from Norwood.

Why I think he has upside:

- one of the players who will be 17 on draft night

- started to play his best football in the last month of the season (improved through the season)

- does the basics well, just needs to fill out

- tested very well in key areas (agility and endurance)

Here are some highlights of him showing his repeat efforts, agility, kicking skills and a very nice hard ball get at 3:55

Looks the goods. What's his draft range? Around the 40s I'm guessing?

 

[Harlequin Dream]

Looks the goods. What's his draft range? Around the 40s I'm guessing?

I think he is the sort that might be around at our picks. The only claims of draft range are from Macca19 in this thread (https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/ep-5-62-the-draft-sa-pt-1.1180778/)claiming 40+ and the Inside Football draft guide claiming 'rookie'.

 

['51 Bewick]

Who was the bloke with the long hair over his ears (No 28 I think). Seemed to be getting a lot of hard ball in tight.

 

[eDPS]

Who was the bloke with the long hair over his ears (No 28 I think). Seemed to be getting a lot of hard ball in tight.

Worpel

 

['51 Bewick]

Worpel

Very impressive. Almost stole the highlights package.

 

[eDPS]

Northern Knights defender Ben Wiggins has been linked to us, tested well for us at a private testing.

He has missed most of the year with injury but impressed in the AGSV grand final

 

[Harlequin Dream]

Who was the bloke with the long hair over his ears (No 28 I think). Seemed to be getting a lot of hard ball in tight.

In which game are you mentioning?

 

[Old Campaigner]

Northern Knights defender Ben Wiggins has been linked to us, tested well for us at a private testing.

He has missed most of the year with injury but impressed in the AGSV grand final

What type of player is he?

 

[eDPS]

What type of player is he?

Diligent small defender with a good leap and safe skills. Has shown plenty of rebound ability for Marcellin College but because of injury he hasn't had a good run at it for TAC. 184cm so he can play on small and mediums.

 

[MarkG]

#48s from the past... Aussie Jones Saints, Darren Milburn Cats, Chance Bateman Hawks, Heath Shaw Pies, Nathan Ablett Cats, David Mackay Crows, Jordan Murdock Cats, Dean Kent Demons, Bailey Williams Dogs

 

[Howard Moon]

The start doesn't catch anyone out, they can start whenever they please. You'd have to pretty dumb to miss a self selected start, even for a footy player

ready..
seaty..

spaghetti!

ha got ya.

 

[BrunoV]

The start doesn't catch anyone out, they can start whenever they please. You'd have to pretty dumb to miss a self selected start, even for a footy player

I thought that it'd also be testing reaction times.

 

[Howard Moon]

sorry haven't scrolled back - heard a rumour getting about that we could be about to sign the irish kid McManus? he of the 7 overs in the recent int rules game

anyone know if this is a thing?

 

[eth-dog]

sorry haven't scrolled back - heard a rumour getting about that we could be about to sign the irish kid McManus? he of the 7 overs in the recent int rules game

anyone know if this is a thing?

Yes please. I saw it on twitter somewhere.