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Who is to blame?
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its all been downhill since John Howard lost the election so...
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The entire world is based on your perspective, is the sky more or less blue than the last time you saw it? If there is a problem with your consumption of politics, in your opinion, then that is your problem - for you to deal with.
You are to blame.
Either your expectations now are unrealistic, you are looking back on the past with rose coloured glasses, you decide what information you allow yourself to be influenced by and you decide how large you want your sphere of perception to be - when it gets too far past the one for your own influence then you're looking for monsters over the horizon and worrying about disasters that don't come for you. You decide how you feel about everything from the comfort of the weather to how someone else makes you feel, it's always in your skull.
Any way you look at it, you're the one to blame.
You are to blame.
Either your expectations now are unrealistic, you are looking back on the past with rose coloured glasses, you decide what information you allow yourself to be influenced by and you decide how large you want your sphere of perception to be - when it gets too far past the one for your own influence then you're looking for monsters over the horizon and worrying about disasters that don't come for you. You decide how you feel about everything from the comfort of the weather to how someone else makes you feel, it's always in your skull.
Any way you look at it, you're the one to blame.
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Tony Abbott.
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There's no doubt that discourse went down with his election as LoO, and I would argue that since his removal as PM a sense of decency has come back to political debate in this country noticeably absent during his time in charge. Question Time is still willing but that's just theatre, the close your eyes and swing blindly style of politics from our Tone isn't missed all that much it's fair to say.
Been downhill since Keating lost in 96 mate.
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Political decay, and especially the decay of political parties, is happening in almost every liberal democracy in the world.
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Ultimately the public is to blame for the state of political discourse, as they always have been.
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Definitely Turnbulls dad. And Abbotts dad too. Infact Bishops dad could be the worst of them all. Who would raise someone to ruthlessly escape rewarding compensation to dying asbestos victims.
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Peter Costello for squibbing the liberal leadership when Howard lost. Could have been effective enough to have kept labor to one term, and prevent the delcon rise of Abbott.
Parties too cynical and now have the tools to be cynical squared
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I personally do not think it is fair to blame the voters, it is not their fault that they are lied to and misrepresented, so a small subset of people can get munny. If the process was actually democratic - not pretend democratic, then sure, blame the people. Many people could dream up ways to make the process more fair and democratic, but if this is not actualised, it is worthless, and it will not be actualised due to... Munny!
Here's my opinion...
I can't comment too much on pre-late 90s politics, but looking at a few charts, for example, median housing prices relative to median income and it seems at about the time of the Australian Olympics.
I believe Australia started showing off it's **** and fanny to the world during the Olympics and then prostituted itself out to the higher bidder which created consequences in the form of external "investors" (which are felt today), and even though Johnny "rotten" Howard had been in power since the late nineties (remember he looked at gun laws in 1996 - hard decision against "investors" but in what he believed was in the best interests for Australians, but did make up a few fibs about a GST), Johnny opened his legs to a certain U.S. president who came to power just after the Olympics. This neo-conservative push and subsequent war, lead to the refugee crisis, terror and the 2016 consequences in the form of Brexit and Trump. But meanwhile, Johnny is getting humped by Bush on one hand and saying homosexuals should not be treated equally on the other, consequences in the form of the marriage act. The neo-conservative push was stinking up the known world, and parts of the unknown world as well (I think even God was pissed off), but soon after, social media took over the world and people were allowed to express their sentiments that were hitherto unknown; "the people in power sucked". Thus people opened up the window of change to bring in Rudd, Obama, and Brown to replace Howard, Bush and Blair. Social media showed what it was capable of, but also showed that what it gives with one hand, social responsibility, it takes with the other, SJWism, and we still see the effects to this day.
Rudd was a bit weird (if you ask me), and flicked out his tongue like a lizard person, even when saying Australia was sorry, and with FaceBook, Social Media, and Q&A rife, Rudd was saying exactly what was reflected in Social Media, forgetting that the government of Australia did not actually govern Australia. He learnt this the hard way when the GFC happened, and a common sense approach of mitigating the effects of big business was shouted all over social media, as a result Rudd mentioned the words "super-tax" and the real unelected government of Australia said "no", and stabbed the fcuker back to his lizard ancestry. With SJW rife, and a backstabbing weird-ass parliament, the Australian people turned against the Labour government, but only enough to make the outcome ~50:50, making a few independents in charge of the country. So Gillard put "investors" and a small number of independents in front of the Australian people, introducing an unnecessary Climate Tax (passed on to people) even though stating she would not do this, pretty much guaranteeing a Liberal victory. Meanwhile Rudd had been jet-setting about the world in his new role, licking his wounds and planning his revenge, and like in his previous term he noted gay marriage all over social media and thought this could be used as leverage for Labour to be voted back in...
Going back a few years and Abbott was nominated as Liberal party leader shortly after Rudd was elected and everyone larfed and larfed and larfed at this red-necked doufus. And Abbott was going around parliament house carrying on exactly like a red-necked doufus would, saying whatever a red-necked doufus would say, that is, these Australians are see you en tees and those Australians are see you en tees, and completely independently of these expressions of hatred towards the Australian public, the Labour party was imploding, with Gillard getting stabbed in the back by Rudd. Labour got smashed and Abbott was brought to power, with a bit of help from the Murdoch press(...). Now Abbott did not understand that him calling Australians a pack of see you en tees was not the reason Liberal was voted in, it was that Labour imploded, so he still continued to carry on like a red-necked doufus, yet now as prime minister, regularly calling Australians a pack of dirty cnuts, parrotted by his dumb-ass treasurer in Joe Hockey, who frequently called us all a bunch of lazy assholes for not being able to afford housing.
The rest of the Liberal party stood mouth agape at this kind of open honesty. Politicians were used to lying on one hand while still thinking on the other hand everything about the Australian public that Abbott and Hockey were saying out loud. Egged on by this kind of open honesty, people like Bernardi started coming out like the Book of Revelations, and some of the shit he started to spout had not been heard since Sodom and Gomorrah, and this kind of necromancy brought Pauline Hanson back to life...
The Liberal party weren't that dumb though, they thought to themself "Shit! We better do something" and looked to the least conservative member, Turnbull, as the person best qualified to start lying again. So Abbott was stabbed in the back.
Turnbull was elected in, with so much promise, but as he is so full of shit, we find ourselves in the position we are in today, waiting for the results of postal vote, house prices through the roof, a Nazi sympathiser is president of the U.S.A. who believes Turnbull is a worse human than he is etc etc etc
Here's my opinion...
I can't comment too much on pre-late 90s politics, but looking at a few charts, for example, median housing prices relative to median income and it seems at about the time of the Australian Olympics.
I believe Australia started showing off it's **** and fanny to the world during the Olympics and then prostituted itself out to the higher bidder which created consequences in the form of external "investors" (which are felt today), and even though Johnny "rotten" Howard had been in power since the late nineties (remember he looked at gun laws in 1996 - hard decision against "investors" but in what he believed was in the best interests for Australians, but did make up a few fibs about a GST), Johnny opened his legs to a certain U.S. president who came to power just after the Olympics. This neo-conservative push and subsequent war, lead to the refugee crisis, terror and the 2016 consequences in the form of Brexit and Trump. But meanwhile, Johnny is getting humped by Bush on one hand and saying homosexuals should not be treated equally on the other, consequences in the form of the marriage act. The neo-conservative push was stinking up the known world, and parts of the unknown world as well (I think even God was pissed off), but soon after, social media took over the world and people were allowed to express their sentiments that were hitherto unknown; "the people in power sucked". Thus people opened up the window of change to bring in Rudd, Obama, and Brown to replace Howard, Bush and Blair. Social media showed what it was capable of, but also showed that what it gives with one hand, social responsibility, it takes with the other, SJWism, and we still see the effects to this day.
Rudd was a bit weird (if you ask me), and flicked out his tongue like a lizard person, even when saying Australia was sorry, and with FaceBook, Social Media, and Q&A rife, Rudd was saying exactly what was reflected in Social Media, forgetting that the government of Australia did not actually govern Australia. He learnt this the hard way when the GFC happened, and a common sense approach of mitigating the effects of big business was shouted all over social media, as a result Rudd mentioned the words "super-tax" and the real unelected government of Australia said "no", and stabbed the fcuker back to his lizard ancestry. With SJW rife, and a backstabbing weird-ass parliament, the Australian people turned against the Labour government, but only enough to make the outcome ~50:50, making a few independents in charge of the country. So Gillard put "investors" and a small number of independents in front of the Australian people, introducing an unnecessary Climate Tax (passed on to people) even though stating she would not do this, pretty much guaranteeing a Liberal victory. Meanwhile Rudd had been jet-setting about the world in his new role, licking his wounds and planning his revenge, and like in his previous term he noted gay marriage all over social media and thought this could be used as leverage for Labour to be voted back in...
Going back a few years and Abbott was nominated as Liberal party leader shortly after Rudd was elected and everyone larfed and larfed and larfed at this red-necked doufus. And Abbott was going around parliament house carrying on exactly like a red-necked doufus would, saying whatever a red-necked doufus would say, that is, these Australians are see you en tees and those Australians are see you en tees, and completely independently of these expressions of hatred towards the Australian public, the Labour party was imploding, with Gillard getting stabbed in the back by Rudd. Labour got smashed and Abbott was brought to power, with a bit of help from the Murdoch press(...). Now Abbott did not understand that him calling Australians a pack of see you en tees was not the reason Liberal was voted in, it was that Labour imploded, so he still continued to carry on like a red-necked doufus, yet now as prime minister, regularly calling Australians a pack of dirty cnuts, parrotted by his dumb-ass treasurer in Joe Hockey, who frequently called us all a bunch of lazy assholes for not being able to afford housing.
The rest of the Liberal party stood mouth agape at this kind of open honesty. Politicians were used to lying on one hand while still thinking on the other hand everything about the Australian public that Abbott and Hockey were saying out loud. Egged on by this kind of open honesty, people like Bernardi started coming out like the Book of Revelations, and some of the shit he started to spout had not been heard since Sodom and Gomorrah, and this kind of necromancy brought Pauline Hanson back to life...
The Liberal party weren't that dumb though, they thought to themself "Shit! We better do something" and looked to the least conservative member, Turnbull, as the person best qualified to start lying again. So Abbott was stabbed in the back.
Turnbull was elected in, with so much promise, but as he is so full of shit, we find ourselves in the position we are in today, waiting for the results of postal vote, house prices through the roof, a Nazi sympathiser is president of the U.S.A. who believes Turnbull is a worse human than he is etc etc etc
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The Left ... or maybe The Russians!
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Pretty much its not just localised to Australia. People want accountability and are not prepared to punish political parties who don't offer it
And shorter attention spans
And shorter attention spans
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Why do we need a parliment at all? Imagine if every issue could be resolved like the marriage equality vote. We all log into some portal at the end of each day and vote on the days bills.
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Why - is easy
The progressive parties across the western world abandoned the average punter and solicited the extremes of power and some ostensible causes so they could disguise their betrayal.
The welfare state, workers rights, free education, diversity of capital ownership abandoned The progressives sold themselves to the oligarchy and abandoned an alternative vision.
How did this happen - now there is tertiary humanities course you won’t find.
The progressive parties across the western world abandoned the average punter and solicited the extremes of power and some ostensible causes so they could disguise their betrayal.
The welfare state, workers rights, free education, diversity of capital ownership abandoned The progressives sold themselves to the oligarchy and abandoned an alternative vision.
How did this happen - now there is tertiary humanities course you won’t find.
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Yes those cunning Russians. They relinquished their empire so we would let our guard down - and now Putin runs the world.
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Great article from The Economist recently about the impact Social Media is having on democracies.
https://www.economist.com/news/brie...d-once-considered-boon-democracy-social-media
This graph is quite telling. You don't have to go too far to the depths of the internet to see how extreme people's views are becoming.
https://www.economist.com/news/brie...d-once-considered-boon-democracy-social-media
This graph is quite telling. You don't have to go too far to the depths of the internet to see how extreme people's views are becoming.
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