Injury Ankle Surgery for Jamie Elliott

[Daicos Torpedo]

By all reckoning (aka i reckon...) His ankle might graft with his crook back, and have kids that might or might not be, as injury prone as all previous posts, prior to this one true factual post, regarding
conjecture of some such nature..

 

[swoop42]

Remember our season finished over 11 weeks ago.

I would have thought that if rest was to be the cure as hoped then it would have been obvious a month before now to Elliott and the club.

It seems like he might well have placed the enjoyment of his holidays ahead of a thoroughly professional approach to his employment as an athlete.

I mean what does "rest" even mean anyway for a professional footballer?

Obsessively icing and/or heating the injured area for weeks on end to aid healing, wearing a moon boot, no running, no backyard cricket, no playing frisbee with your dog?

It sure as hell didn't mean going surfing like Dale Thomas that time so basically the club are relying on the player to do the right thing in his recovery during the off season.

That's probably fine if we're talking Maxwell or Pendlebury but most others I probably wouldn't trust at all.

 

[Gone Critical]

Our new doctor may as well be Dr Nick Riviera. He would be an improvement.

How many times has this happened now. Rest will fix this. 2mths later, oh it didn’t ok let’s do surgery now so you miss most of pre season.

The other question is why didn’t Jamie tell the club 2wks ago that it wasn’t getting any better.

I do understand the angst we all feel with injuries and because we concentrate so strongly on Collingwood there is always an underlying feeling we must be suffering more than other clubs and when it goes wrong our staff must be making mistakes.

Still your "Dr Nick Riviera" is a nice segway. Let's assume Nick is our doctor in charge. We are now prepared to say Nick you have stuffed up again, why didn't you operate in September when the season ended. You keep making the same mistake. Why didn't you operate sooner? 2016 it was Jamie's back you stuffed. Back in the day you left Shaz's foot too long. At least you learnt and got onto his ACLs straight away. Still 2 off them? How did that happen?

As for Faz well you stuffed him completely. Missing games with mental health issues, why were you not onto that a little quicker. Poor form.

"What, what that's you say?" "Your names Bradshaw and you aren't so around the current issues". "What's that, you are not the only club doctor, there are a few decision makers here". Sounds strange Nick. Sorry Chris." What's that it wasn't a club doctor who decided not to operate on Jamie's back 1st up" What you use a back surgeon who apparently knows the caper". " Well they might know backs but they are s**t on ankles". " What it was someone else who decided the stupid go slow on Jamie's ankle". " Ankle surgeon, well I never, do they know any thing about backs?" " Geez this is a bit confusing"

" OK what about Faz's doc's, why didn't they pull the knife out?". "Don't operate???" " You had me going for a second, don't operate, what bullshit. Collingwoods employing doctors who don't operate. No wonder we are stuffed"

" Well Nick, Chris or whatever you call yourself. The hairs on the back of my neck have told me. Singlehandedly you have stuffed the Collingwood FC"

 

[jmac70]

Exactly. I’m afraid we might have seen the last days of Jamie leaping thoug, with his back and his dodgy ankles... I know when I did my ankle, it as never the same.

Are you Jamie Elliott?

 

[jackcass]

Exactly. I’m afraid we might have seen the last days of Jamie leaping thoug, with his back and his dodgy ankles... I know when I did my ankle, it as never the same.

Yeah, wouldn't be so sure of that. Played out the year after the Freo game with a NQR ankle so not too much leaping seen but get that right and I think he'll be back sitting on heads. This year was about regaining confidence in the back and I think he's got that now.

 

[Schraderbrau]

http://m.collingwoodfc.com.au/news/2017-11-17/preseason-setback-for-elliott

****!

#sackdavorern

 

[jackcass]

I appreciate your frustration, but I don’t feel as strongly as some about what the club chooses to make public, and the way they go about it. How and when they make these issues public is less of a concern for me.

My frustration is more about people getting upset over injury management. I cannot see that the club would ever knowingly or deliberately make an injury situation worse.

Being inept or irresponsible in terms of player injury is another matter, and I am still of the view that I don’t know enough to draw this conclusion.

Doesn't seem that long ago that we'd all have been completely ignorant that something like this had occurred until we got the update in one of the morning papers, if we were lucky. With the emergence of new technologies and a 24 hour news cycle it seems expectations are heightened.

 

[jmac70]

Doesn't seem that long ago that we'd all have been completely ignorant that something like this had occurred until we got the update in one of the morning papers, if we were lucky. With the emergence of new technologies and a 24 hour news cycle it seems expectations are heightened.

Don’t forget the ravenous need to blame.

 

[jackcass]

IF the club is telling the truth and he will be in full training by end of Jan, he should be ok by round 1 which is March 24th because thats what a month and a half of training/match sim, but let's face it. He probably wont be full training until mid Feb

It's a medical issue and as with all medical issues, recovery is an educated guess, and that's before they operate. Who knows what they'll find when they open up the ankle? Who can say there won't be complications or infection issues? Who knows how he'll respond to rehab? It's just a matter of wait and see, hope for the best. One thing we do know though is that if he isn't back training by late January we can be sure it'll be because of club incompetence.

 

[sr36]

In other words, they erred in thinking the injury would get better with rest and instead of getting surgery out of the way 2 months back, Jamie will now only have a partial pre-season and not be at his best next year. Great injury management yet again from the club.

I'm not really sure how you can blame the club. He's got an ankle issue. The club sends him t o a specialist. The specialist does some scans and gives him some advice. Elliott makes a decision.
The advice is often along the lines of - "There's a lot of inflamation. We're not really sure of the cause. You can try resting it and it may heal or we can do some exploratory surgery. Here's the pros and cons of each course of action - which would you like to take."

 

[jackcass]

What I know is that there was no reason at all for the club to act coy about the injury earlier today. It's not like there is a game coming up requiring them to mask the injury yet they still put out obnoxious tweets to try and put out spot fires in the media. It's unnecessary and borderline pathological how they try to sell lies.

And exactly what was the club meant to say when they likely had no idea of what would happen until after they got the scans? Seems to me that whatever they said, somebody would take issue with it.

 

[jackcass]

Remember our season finished over 11 weeks ago.

I would have thought that if rest was to be the cure as hoped then it would have been obvious a month before now to Elliott and the club.

It seems like he might well have placed the enjoyment of his holidays ahead of a thoroughly professional approach to his employment as an athlete.

I mean what does "rest" even mean anyway for a professional footballer?

Obsessively icing and/or heating the injured area for weeks on end to aid healing, wearing a moon boot, no running, no backyard cricket, no playing frisbee with your dog?

It sure as hell didn't mean going surfing like Dale Thomas that time so basically the club are relying on the player to do the right thing in his recovery during the off season.

That's probably fine if we're talking Maxwell or Pendlebury but most others I probably wouldn't trust at all.

Yeah, let's assume the worst, it's always the safest course when operating in complete ignorance.

 

[CFC2010]

Doesn't seem that long ago that we'd all have been completely ignorant that something like this had occurred until we got the update in one of the morning papers, if we were lucky. With the emergence of new technologies and a 24 hour news cycle it seems expectations are heightened.

Jackcass today you posted that their was nothing in Elliott's scans and I liked your post....I was trying to be glass half full.

The truth is when I saw the photo of Elliott holding his ankle with the officials I knew the Clubs tweet was bullshit.

I know you and Gone Critical want some difinitive proof of our Clubs incompetence on this one one but IMO it is really Black & White.

He carried the injury for close to twelve months and it took the first running session in pre season to figure out it hadn't healed?

Sorry but I call Bullshit on this one.

I thought after Broomheads shoulder misdiagnosis we would have improved but this one irks me because I had Elliott earmarked as our most important forward in 2018.

Have we dropped the ball because our doctor is suspended at the moment?

 

[jmac70]

Jackcass today you posted that their was nothing in Elliott's scans and I liked your post....I was trying to be glass half full.

The truth is when I saw the photo of Elliott holding his ankle with the officials I knew the Clubs tweet was bullshit.

I know you and Gone Critical want some difinitive proof of our Clubs incompetence on this one one but IMO it is really Black & White.

He carried the injury for close to twelve months and it took the first running session in pre season to figure out it hadn't healed?

Sorry but I call Bullshit on this one.

I thought after Broomheads shoulder misdiagnosis we would have improved but this one irks me because I had Elliott earmarked as our most important forward in 2018.

Have we dropped the ball because our doctor is suspended at the moment?

If Elliott has had the injury for 12 months, wouldn’t it have been the former Doctors’ call not to seek a operation?

 

[CFC2010]

If Elliott has has then injury for 12 months, wouldn’t it have been the former Doctors’ call not to seek a operation?

The same doctor who is suspended?

That is my point jmac.

 

[Gone Critical]

Jackcass today you posted that their was nothing in Elliott's scans and I liked your post....I was trying to be glass half full.

The truth is when I saw the photo of Elliott holding his ankle with the officials I knew the Clubs tweet was bullshit.

I know you and Gone Critical want some difinitive proof of our Clubs incompetence on this one one but IMO it is really Black & White.

He carried the injury for close to twelve months and it took the first running session in pre season to figure out it hadn't healed?

Sorry but I call Bullshit on this one.

I thought after Broomheads shoulder misdiagnosis we would have improved but this one irks me because I had Elliott earmarked as our most important forward in 2018.

Have we dropped the ball because our doctor is suspended at the moment?

So who are we blaming here. One of the club doctors. The backspecialist who stuffed his Elliotts management. The ankle surgeon they sent him to for the ankle injury which has been stuffed. Was it the shoulder surgeon who stuffed Broomheads recovery. Was it the psychologist and psychiatrist Faz sees. Maybe Reid's calf doctor or the ballet teacher. Perhaps it was the physio. Davoren is gone but must have had fingers in this. The hand surgeon who looked after Pendles made a mess of it seeing he hurt his finger again.

More than anyone I blame the turtle Kirby ate.

 

[jackcass]

Jackcass today you posted that their was nothing in Elliott's scans and I liked your post....I was trying to be glass half full.

The truth is when I saw the photo of Elliott holding his ankle with the officials I knew the Clubs tweet was bullshit.

I know you and Gone Critical want some difinitive proof of our Clubs incompetence on this one one but IMO it is really Black & White.

He carried the injury for close to twelve months and it took the first running session in pre season to figure out it hadn't healed?

Sorry but I call Bullshit on this one.

I thought after Broomheads shoulder misdiagnosis we would have improved but this one irks me because I had Elliott earmarked as our most important forward in 2018.

Have we dropped the ball because our doctor is suspended at the moment?

I think you'll find I said the report indicated that it was precautionary.

 

[sr36]

If Elliott has had the injury for 12 months, wouldn’t it have been the former Doctors’ call not to seek a operation?

It would have been a specialist - not a club employee, and Elliott's call.

 

[Gone Critical]

The same doctor who is suspended?

That is my point jmac.

No it wouldn't have been Bradshaw. Sorry to disappoint but the surgeon who operates is the person who makes the call here. It's a different surgeon depending on back, ankle, finger, knee etc. but they are the ones who decide who gets operated on. Not Bradshaw or any of the club doctors call.

 

[THATSGOLD]

The club either needs to fold or make drastic changes. The same s**t has been going on since 2012. We are sick of it now/ no more excuses. Change it!!!

 

[THATSGOLD]

I think you'll find I said the report indicated that it was precautionary.

Here you go again defending the club regardless of what happens. Call it out for what it is for once!!!

 

[jathanas]

Most people understand that with back injuries surgery is always a last option but don't have the same view with ankle injuries. Surgery is not always a silver bullet.

It's not the doc's fault when an injury doesn't respond to rest.

 

[DraftBalta]

So who are we blaming here.

I'm pretty sure you have to get up on your tippy toes to pee in a bin so you do the math

 

[swoop42]

Yeah, let's assume the worst, it's always the safest course when operating in complete ignorance.

Amazing how the problem with his ankle came to light just when he's due to return from holidays.

Fortunate timing for Elliott that one.

Does anyone know what the club expect from a player in the off season when he is to "rest" an injury to avoid possible surgery?

If he's chasing scantly clad young women across the beaches of Ibiza, hiking, water skiing or doing whatever physical activity he likes to do I'd hardly call that resting an injury.

At the very least he should have been made to come to the club a month ago to undergo an exhaustive fitness test to see if the "rest" had done it's job.

Did he?

I bet he didn't and if so that seems like an obvious and easy practice to implement in the future.

Hell if the review has taught us anything it's that the club has missed the mark in a lot of areas in recent years and questions should continue to be asked.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

So who are we blaming here. One of the club doctors. The backspecialist who stuffed his Elliotts management. The ankle surgeon they sent him to for the ankle injury which has been stuffed. Was it the shoulder surgeon who stuffed Broomheads recovery. Was it the psychologist and psychiatrist Faz sees. Maybe Reid's calf doctor or the ballet teacher. Perhaps it was the physio. Davoren is gone but must have had fingers in this. The hand surgeon who looked after Pendles made a mess of it seeing he hurt his finger again.

More than anyone I blame the turtle Kirby ate.

The club is to blame. Look no further than it for a culprit. It should do this and that, but in Elliott's case it fell asleep on the job. It's a club that throws players to the wolves and to the scrapheap, where players have a Best Used by date of 30, and incompetence in player management is the norm, not the unheard of exception. No need to single out an individual, when there is a whole club at which to cast your critiques and concerns.