Calling out the weak SANFL development clubs

[marty36]

Bicks and any other Vic base supporter can you help me here,
Is the TAC comp class as a top-tier competition, therefore the Colleges have to release their kids to play.
And was there a change in game time between Colledge and TAC. with some kids playing both TAC and Colledge while others play TAC and VFL.

If so then SA needs to follow the same ruling and run a 6 team TAC like competition.
6 teams but having north, South East and west, along with 2 country area, North West and South East. 10 round plus finals.

Is 10 weeks going to develop players and will it be structured around the college comp as that's where all the best players are coming from so you would want the best players playing as much as possible when the numbers aren't like what Vic have with a population of 30% of Australia when we have 7%


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Is 10 weeks going to develop players and will it be structured around the college comp as that's where all the best players are coming from so you would want the best players playing as much as possible when the numbers aren't like what Vic have with a population of 30% of Australia when we have 7%


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It will be a top tier comp so there will be a serious pre-season involved. Like the TAC comp. they can even lengthen it if they want to but there would no need to when you add the 4 weeks of national football in the middle. that would make it a 17week comp
TAC comp only 18 rounds for 12 teams. with a 3 round finals system. 4 weeks for the nationals,
That why it has been suggested to have a 6 team competition to get the best talent available. Currently, we have an 8 team comp and we don't get the best talent because it's not rated as top tier and the Colleges can deny kids from competing. along with a few Country Kids not bothering to attend. Kids we lose.

 

[marty36]

It will be a top tier comp so there will be a serious pre-season involved. Like the TAC comp. they can even lengthen it if they want to but there would no need to when you add the 4 weeks of national football in the middle. that would make it a 17week comp
TAC comp only 18 rounds for 12 teams. with a 3 round finals system. 4 weeks for the nationals,
That why it has been suggested to have a 6 team competition to get the best talent available. Currently, we have an 8 team comp and we don't get the best talent because it's not rated as top tier and the Colleges can deny kids from competing. along with a few Country Kids not bothering to attend. Kids we lose.

But well and truly the majority of elite talent is from the colleges who also do a compulsory pre season

The colleges have the coin their ovals are unbelievable if you've ever been to Scotch and seen their club rooms with lunch put on at half time for all parents attending the crowds they get will outweigh any TAC type comp as the whole school supports it

The colleges put on buses to get their boarders to away games if they wish to spectate

It's well run well organised and very well supported by the senior management of the colleges which is why they won't give it up its part of the whole college life they promote so they can charge 30k per year




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But well and truly the majority of elite talent is from the colleges who also do a compulsory pre season

The colleges have the coin their ovals are unbelievable if you've ever been to Scotch and seen their club rooms with lunch put on at half time for all parents attending the crowds they get will outweigh any TAC type comp as the whole school supports it

The colleges put on buses to get their boarders to away games if they wish to spectate

It's well run well organised and very well supported by the senior management of the colleges which is why they won't give it up its part of the whole college life they promote so they can charge 30k per year




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Mate have been to just about every Colledge oval and change room in two states. Also, have visited every TAC team and VFL and SANFL team over the last 10 or so years.
When I had to go the Vic for business reasons I would always make it to a couple of games of football, there always someone in the business world willing to take you to a game of football in Australia if you ask.
Also had to review a few different setups for business reasons.

Tier 1 sports teams get priority. Colledges will still have the teams and Pre-season, but will allow their Kids to play for tier 1 comps. and attend pre-seasons if the comp is better. they may have no choice.
The Under 18 in this state are not regarded as tier 1. so the Colledge teams will not release their players to a weaker competition.

 

[marty36]

Mate have been to just about every Colledge oval and change room in two states. Also, have visited every TAC team and VFL and SANFL team over the last 10 or so years.
When I had to go the Vic for business reasons I would always make it to a couple of games of football, there always someone in the business world willing to take you to a game of football in Australia if you ask.
Also had to review a few different setups for business reasons.

Tier 1 sports teams get priority. Colledges will still have the teams and Pre-season, but will allow their Kids to play for tier 1 comps. and attend pre-seasons if the comp is better. they may have no choice.
The Under 18 in this state are not regarded as tier 1. so the Colledge teams will not release their players to a weaker competition.

You have no idea how the college system works

They don't give out scholarships for fun and at a cost of 30k per year per student wow let them play for some other comp

You are joking aren't you

Do you think they pay coaches for fun

How much will it cost to set up six teams with 6 facilities with ovals and staff then an administration to run it along with umpiring and maybe a tribunal

For the sake of 10 to 15 kids to be drafted with half not making it that's pretty poor economics you have going on there

Guess that's why they haven't done it or even contemplated it as it makes no logical sense


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You have no idea how the college system works

They don't give out scholarships for fun and at a cost of 30k per year per student wow let them play for some other comp

You are joking aren't you

Do you think they pay coaches for fun

How much will it cost to set up six teams with 6 facilities with ovals and staff then an administration to run it along with umpiring and maybe a tribunal

For the sake of 10 to 15 kids to be drafted with half not making it that's pretty poor economics you have going on there

Guess that's why they haven't done it or even contemplated it as it makes no logical sense


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May have a better Idea how the college system works here than you do. They will have a problem if they refuse Kids to play if it becomes a tier 1 comp. As some kids would not sign on for scholarships, they will take their chances thru a TAC like system.
As for the money, it was there and turned down. And if they set up a system the money will be there again.
And it about improving football and creating a pathway to senior football.
Ovals exist and change rooms are there in spades some need to be upgraded.
Have you even looked at any metro and country facilities,
They have not done it because the SANFL clubs refuse to relinquish control of the 16 and under 18. Yes It has not been done because of Politics. and that is most likely the reason it will never be done because there are too many people involved that are only concern with the state of the clubs not the state of Football.
The SANFL are not developing football in this state, as good as they should. Remember when we grew up we had SANFL players coaching Junior teams all over the state. now they expect payment to turn up for an event. Money and Politics have taken over.
We cannot live in the past in order for football to grow the SANFL needs to grow. not live in the past.

 

[Samcro24]

Mate have been to just about every Colledge oval and change room in two states. Also, have visited every TAC team and VFL and SANFL team over the last 10 or so years.
When I had to go the Vic for business reasons I would always make it to a couple of games of football, there always someone in the business world willing to take you to a game of football in Australia if you ask.
Also had to review a few different setups for business reasons.

Tier 1 sports teams get priority. Colledges will still have the teams and Pre-season, but will allow their Kids to play for tier 1 comps. and attend pre-seasons if the comp is better. they may have no choice.
The Under 18 in this state are not regarded as tier 1. so the Colledge teams will not release their players to a weaker competition.

Mate have been to just about every Colledge oval and change room in two states. Also, have visited every TAC team and VFL and SANFL team over the last 10 or so years.
When I had to go the Vic for business reasons I would always make it to a couple of games of football, there always someone in the business world willing to take you to a game of football in Australia if you ask.
Also had to review a few different setups for business reasons.

Tier 1 sports teams get priority. Colledges will still have the teams and Pre-season, but will allow their Kids to play for tier 1 comps. and attend pre-seasons if the comp is better. they may have no choice.
The Under 18 in this state are not regarded as tier 1. so the Colledge teams will not release their players to a weaker competition.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=colledge&amp=true

Did lol

 

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https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=colledge&amp=true

Did lol

Quoted it multiple times to create a collage?

 

[marty36]

May have a better Idea how the college system works here than you do. They will have a problem if they refuse Kids to play if it becomes a tier 1 comp. As some kids would not sign on for scholarships, they will take their chances thru a TAC like system.
As for the money, it was there and turned down. And if they set up a system the money will be there again.
And it about improving football and creating a pathway to senior football.
Ovals exist and change rooms are there in spades some need to be upgraded.
Have you even looked at any metro and country facilities,
They have not done it because the SANFL clubs refuse to relinquish control of the 16 and under 18. Yes It has not been done because of Politics. and that is most likely the reason it will never be done because there are too many people involved that are only concern with the state of the clubs not the state of Football.
The SANFL are not developing football in this state, as good as they should. Remember when we grew up we had SANFL players coaching Junior teams all over the state. now they expect payment to turn up for an event. Money and Politics have taken over.
We cannot live in the past in order for football to grow the SANFL needs to grow. not live in the past.

It's a junior comp it will never be tier one

This senior path apart from the very very very very very few that get to AFL is irrelevant they will be playing footy as a sport for enjoyment not as a living we don't have the money or population apart from the one league being AFL

So 70 kids got drafted two days ago Australia wide with 50% destined to not make it as history tells us leaving 35, looking at populations in Oz what would you say the AFL are aiming for from each state as a percentage?

Their enormous investment into the northern states that hold 50% of Australia's population and they will continue to invest as its the only way football can grow will be the one I'm probably looking for you to answer mostly, would you say 30 to 40% is what they are aiming for maybe 15 to 20% from WA and 10 to 15% out of SA and maybe 0 to 5% out of Tas only which will leave around only 35% if that for Vic to deliver regardless of their investment , I would say they are looking for 50% as a minimum from Vic considering 60% of clubs are there

Doesn't really add up maybe they aren't too fused at what we are producing and aren't looking for an increase rather than looking at an increase in the states where they are investing being Qld and NSW

The are investing in those states for obvious reasons unless you aren't too bright


By the way we are producing that now, maybe they will invest into WA first with the larger population I doubt it the only way in for the AFL to grow is north of the Murray simply no other way unless Port pull off china


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[jackster83]

They are apparently bringing in U/17 and U/19 level competitions at grassroots ("SANFL juniors") level. Underage games will also likely be moved to weeknights to cater for women's footy being played on weekends.

Marty is correct about ovals becoming an issue. Change rooms (particularly for girls footy) and lighting upgrades are needed all across metro Adelaide.

 

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It's a junior comp it will never be tier one

This senior path apart from the very very very very very few that get to AFL is irrelevant they will be playing footy as a sport for enjoyment not as a living we don't have the money or population apart from the one league being AFL

So 70 kids got drafted two days ago Australia wide with 50% destined to not make it as history tells us leaving 35, looking at populations in Oz what would you say the AFL are aiming for from each state as a percentage?

Their enormous investment into the northern states that hold 50% of Australia's population and they will continue to invest as its the only way football can grow will be the one I'm probably looking for you to answer mostly, would you say 30 to 40% is what they are aiming for maybe 15 to 20% from WA and 10 to 15% out of SA and maybe 0 to 5% out of Tas only which will leave around only 35% if that for Vic to deliver regardless of their investment , I would say they are looking for 50% as a minimum from Vic considering 60% of clubs are there

Doesn't really add up maybe they aren't too fused at what we are producing and aren't looking for an increase rather than looking at an increase in the states where they are investing being Qld and NSW

The are investing in those states for obvious reasons unless you aren't too bright


By the way we are producing that now, maybe they will invest into WA first with the larger population I doubt it the only way in for the AFL to grow is north of the Murray simply no other way unless Port pull off china


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Until people like you and others heavily involved in the SANFL start acting for the betterment of the state rather than the betterment of the individual SANFL clubs, Football in this state will not grow. And your thinking and constant push about making players for the AFL is that type of thinking. what about making players for the SANFL or the ammos or the Country teams they are just as important.
It's not about developing just players for the AFL but about developing football in the State. taking back the ground lost to Soccer.
Again it about developing Football in South Australia for all South Australians.
And there was and will be money there if they decide to go down that path. Its just the money will be for the Youth teams not for the SANFL, and that the sticking point.

Put it this way if the SANFL does not improve what they are Doing in 20years time they will not be important enough to be a concern.

Answer this one question if the SA football commission was all for development of football in SA why is it allow SANFL clubs to bid for AFL pre-season games, why it dominates by SANFL clubs.

Set up a tier 1 junior football competition in this state and it will after time be successful. there will be sponsorships dollars out there as they would be riding of the AFL, there are Grounds that can be upgraded quickly to cater.
Here a point no one seems to grasp. Take the 16's and 18's away from the SANFL clubs and how many days are their grounds vacant.
As it stands Football clubs are closing down every year what is done to stop that.

 

[marty36]

Until people like you and others heavily involved in the SANFL start acting for the betterment of the state rather than the betterment of the individual SANFL clubs, Football in this state will not grow. And your thinking and constant push about making players for the AFL is that type of thinking. what about making players for the SANFL or the ammos or the Country teams they are just as important.
It's not about developing just players for the AFL but about developing football in the State. taking back the ground lost to Soccer.
Again it about developing Football in South Australia for all South Australians.
And there was and will be money there if they decide to go down that path. Its just the money will be for the Youth teams not for the SANFL, and that the sticking point.

Put it this way if the SANFL does not improve what they are Doing in 20years time they will not be important enough to be a concern.

Answer this one question if the SA football commission was all for development of football in SA why is it allow SANFL clubs to bid for AFL pre-season games, why it dominates by SANFL clubs.

Set up a tier 1 junior football competition in this state and it will after time be successful. there will be sponsorships dollars out there as they would be riding of the AFL, there are Grounds that can be upgraded quickly to cater.
Here a point no one seems to grasp. Take the 16's and 18's away from the SANFL clubs and how many days are their grounds vacant.
As it stands Football clubs are closing down every year what is done to stop that.

The grounds are still run by the clubs if anyone wants to use them it will be when convenient and charged for the privilege

6 teams 40 a squad how many get drafted by the AFL do the rest just stop playing or are you thinking the sanfl clubs might take them in. That's 240 kids less say 15 that are good enough then 8 will find their way back when they are dropped

You haven't played footy have you? when you are part of a club it's actually quite good from juniors right through the friendships and bonds you make are half the reason you play


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[marty36]

Until people like you and others heavily involved in the SANFL start acting for the betterment of the state rather than the betterment of the individual SANFL clubs, Football in this state will not grow. And your thinking and constant push about making players for the AFL is that type of thinking. what about making players for the SANFL or the ammos or the Country teams they are just as important.
It's not about developing just players for the AFL but about developing football in the State. taking back the ground lost to Soccer.
Again it about developing Football in South Australia for all South Australians.
And there was and will be money there if they decide to go down that path. Its just the money will be for the Youth teams not for the SANFL, and that the sticking point.

Put it this way if the SANFL does not improve what they are Doing in 20years time they will not be important enough to be a concern.

Answer this one question if the SA football commission was all for development of football in SA why is it allow SANFL clubs to bid for AFL pre-season games, why it dominates by SANFL clubs.

Set up a tier 1 junior football competition in this state and it will after time be successful. there will be sponsorships dollars out there as they would be riding of the AFL, there are Grounds that can be upgraded quickly to cater.
Here a point no one seems to grasp. Take the 16's and 18's away from the SANFL clubs and how many days are their grounds vacant.
As it stands Football clubs are closing down every year what is done to stop that.

You are trying to run a comp like Victoria with 5.7 million against 1.6 million

But yeah let's go with it

I don't need to debate it the AFL now where there expansion needs to be you are just not realising the end goal


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The grounds are still run by the clubs if anyone wants to use them it will be when convenient and charged for the privilege

6 teams 40 a squad how many get drafted by the AFL do the rest just stop playing or are you thinking the sanfl clubs might take them in. That's 240 kids less say 15 that are good enough then 8 will find their way back when they are dropped

You haven't played footy have you? when you are part of a club it's actually quite good from juniors right through the friendships and bonds you make are half the reason you play


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You are trying to run a comp like Victoria with 5.7 million against 1.6 million

But yeah let's go with it

I don't need to debate it the AFL now where there expansion needs to be you are just not realising the end goal


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Not football clubs, but have been involved with a very elite club, so I understand what it means. I also understand the difference between a Junior clubs and senior clubs
And I think you will find more players are loyal to the Junior age clubs, not there SANFL clubs they had to play for.
But again I am concern about Football in this state. Not Football at SANFL level.
Also, the Clubs do not own the grounds and we need to remember that. and even if they did there are better setup run by councils that would be willing to open their doors. and there is a lot of councils that will spend up big to attract top-level sports to areas.

Again it not about the SANFL its about Football in this state. and the SANFL are not doing a good job, We need a strong junior competition to compete with soccer, we are losing too many kids to the game. And it,s these kids that will be spectators and members of the SANFL clubs and AFL clubs. in 20 years times. and they will bring their friends along for the ride.

 

[marty36]

Not football clubs, but have been involved with a very elite club, so I understand what it means. I also understand the difference between a Junior clubs and senior clubs
And I think you will find more players are loyal to the Junior age clubs, not there SANFL clubs they had to play for.
But again I am concern about Football in this state. Not Football at SANFL level.
Also, the Clubs do not own the grounds and we need to remember that. and even if they did there are better setup run by councils that would be willing to open their doors. and there is a lot of councils that will spend up big to attract top-level sports to areas.

Again it not about the SANFL its about Football in this state. and the SANFL are not doing a good job, We need a strong junior competition to compete with soccer, we are losing too many kids to the game. And it,s these kids that will be spectators and members of the SANFL clubs and AFL clubs. in 20 years times. and they will bring their friends along for the ride.

Soccer gets its following at school level not club have you ever been involved in some of the soccer clubs around adelaide by the way the subs are 3 or 4 times as much as footy

There are far more football clubs than soccer clubs by a considerable amount

Parents generally prefer the less contact so at school level it's a bit different

And in reference to the ovals the clubs own the lease and councils

They clubs could sub lease them if they wanted as could say phos Camden or even a school could facilities would be shitty though

Can you imagine a TAC club trying to lease an oval like Glenelg oval for a 100 or so spectators not use the facilities but pay the high price for the ground

The Glenelg cricket club win by having the Glenelg footy club in their with them as they open up their club rooms and make money on game day it's a marriage made in heaven


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Soccer gets its following at school level not club have you ever been involved in some of the soccer clubs around adelaide by the way the subs are 3 or 4 times as much as footy

There are far more football clubs than soccer clubs by a considerable amount

Parents generally prefer the less contact so at school level it's a bit different

And in reference to the ovals the clubs own the lease and councils

They clubs could sub lease them if they wanted as could say phos Camden or even a school could facilities would be shitty though

Can you imagine a TAC club trying to lease an oval like Glenelg oval for a 100 or so spectators not use the facilities but pay the high price for the ground

The Glenelg cricket club win by having the Glenelg footy club in their with them as they open up their club rooms and make money on game day it's a marriage made in heaven


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You must live in another state to make that comment about Soccer. Most Northern and Southern Clubs start at under 7 and are not school related.
As with the Ovals, any Club that wants to bring in people thru there club will come to an agreement.
But they will not need to as Council will develop grounds and build the facilities required.
And before you say they will not look around. I drive pass a council built Tennis center with facilities built by the council, I drive by a council built soccer oval used by Adelaide United for training, I drive by Football oval set up by the council for a junior club, I Drive by an oval with better facilities than the ones Glenelg use for there players to use built by the council. all done to attract sports to certain areas.

But you are showing you bais to the SANFL clubs. What about Football in South Australia.
PS how old are the juniors at Glenelg. under 16 is the first age group. Does the SANFL even care about the under 14,12,10,9.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Vic colleges and SA colleges are exactly the same. The school season though is only about 12 weeks in total.

Seven games or so in Term 2, including skipping Queen's birthday, 3 weekends off for July holidays, then another five or so games in Term 3.

That's it.

A smart SANFL underage competition would utilise the weekends that there is no school football.

The TAC Cup I'm sure has some matches where they are at full strength with all players available and other weeks where they lose the college kids and/or the Vic Metro/Vic Country U18s.

 

[marty36]

Vic colleges and SA colleges are exactly the same. The school season though is only about 12 weeks in total.

Seven games or so in Term 2, including skipping Queen's birthday, 3 weekends off for July holidays, then another five or so games in Term 3.

That's it.

A smart SANFL underage competition would utilise the weekends that there is no school football.

The TAC Cup I'm sure has some matches where they are at full strength with all players available and other weeks where they lose the college kids and/or the Vic Metro/Vic Country U18s.

In theory it would work

But unfortunately the afl see the minimal population as the stumbling block more return for them if they can get 13,000,000 into the sport not too mention the next TV deal

The eastern states is what they want to develop instead of getting an extra 3 or 5 players drafted out of SA, the following in SA is already saturated it won't be getting anymore out of the tv deal with a minor increase in Veiwing in SA

It's not personal it's just business




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[marty36]

You must live in another state to make that comment about Soccer. Most Northern and Southern Clubs start at under 7 and are not school related.
As with the Ovals, any Club that wants to bring in people thru there club will come to an agreement.
But they will not need to as Council will develop grounds and build the facilities required.
And before you say they will not look around. I drive pass a council built Tennis center with facilities built by the council, I drive by a council built soccer oval used by Adelaide United for training, I drive by Football oval set up by the council for a junior club, I Drive by an oval with better facilities than the ones Glenelg use for there players to use built by the council. all done to attract sports to certain areas.

But you are showing you bais to the SANFL clubs. What about Football in South Australia.
PS how old are the juniors at Glenelg. under 16 is the first age group. Does the SANFL even care about the under 14,12,10,9.

So would you say there are more soccer clubs or footy clubs in SA and what percentage more on the one you choose


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[Crow_Magnon]

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Weak clubs are - worst first - South, Sturt, Central, West.

Given this years draft I think Sturt jump up the list a little. They certainly seem to be providing a good number of rookies in the past few years.

 

[DJ75]

Correct it's elitist at its best


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Yes and No. The Div 1 teams do play against the Div 2 teams, but only once a season. The Div 2 teams get comprehensively destroyed if the Div 1 teams play their full side (which they often don't). Yes they don't want to play Salisbury High, but not playing Scotch regularly isn't about elitism, its about competition.There is a very big gap between the schools abilities in football.

Essentially you have;
SHC
PAC (Both well above the rest)
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Henley High
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Saints
Immanuel
Rostrevor (all 3 roughly even)
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St. Michael's (depends very much on year, sometimes with the 3 above, sometimes below this)
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Scotch
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Westminster
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Others
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CBC, Blacks etc...

 

[DJ75]

Exactly the same as SA, Private School footy is 1st priority.

Actually that is not true.

In Victoria there is a governed quota on how many games the boys can play in a season. The schools tends to only use their very best players for crucial games. They let their players play TAC Cup, State Games etc... far more than we do here.
In SA it is 100% school first with the occasional allowance for club games.

In Vic there is a much better balance. Their boys play much more TAC than our boys do SANFL.

 

[DJ75]

Vic colleges and SA colleges are exactly the same. The school season though is only about 12 weeks in total.

Seven games or so in Term 2, including skipping Queen's birthday, 3 weekends off for July holidays, then another five or so games in Term 3.

That's it.

A smart SANFL underage competition would utilise the weekends that there is no school football.

The TAC Cup I'm sure has some matches where they are at full strength with all players available and other weeks where they lose the college kids and/or the Vic Metro/Vic Country U18s.

The SANFL comp does benefit from the times the College doesn't play.
In the vats majority of the cases, the boys play SANFL whenever there isn't a school game. This includes preseason, holidays, and post school season.
In fact you can track the success of certain clubs by when they have their private school boys available! North, Norwood, Sturt and Glenelg especially are MUCH stronger during the times the school system isn't playing.

 

[feenix67]

Yes and No. The Div 1 teams do play against the Div 2 teams, but only once a season. The Div 2 teams get comprehensively destroyed if the Div 1 teams play their full side (which they often don't). Yes they don't want to play Salisbury High, but not playing Scotch regularly isn't about elitism, its about competition.There is a very big gap between the schools abilities in football.

Essentially you have;
SHC
PAC (Both well above the rest)
.
Henley High
.
.
Saints
Immanuel
Rostrevor (all 3 roughly even)
.
.
St. Michael's (depends very much on year, sometimes with the 3 above, sometimes below this)
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Scotch
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Westminster
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Others
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CBC, Blacks etc...

Jeez Rostrevor must have dropped off, when my lad was at SHC they hadn't beaten Rostrevor for ages.

 

[DJ75]

Jeez Rostrevor must have dropped off, when my lad was at SHC they hadn't beaten Rostrevor for ages.

They have. The entire school did. Not sure of situation right now, but only a few years ago there were whispers of Rostrevor having to shut down if enrolments didn't pick up soon.