- Mar 16, 2014
- 8,522
- 8,664
- AFL Club
- Collingwood
He's no ready.
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
He's no ready.
+1, only other thing to add is that Maynard has demonstrated that he can be a goal kicking midfielder.
(Could do with a poll)
---
Whats the obsession with always trying to turn small defenders/forwards into midfielders? (Not just us - all clubs do it).
IMO, Maynard should stay as a small defender/HB/defensive wing. He does not have the decision making or football IQ to play in the middle regularly.
Have him play from the defensive half, and use those runs and booming kick when space opens up and opposition defenders are not focused on him.
Put him in the midfield and suddenly he is regularly manned up, and he has to make split second decisions consistently - I just dont think he's that type of player.
All this discussion reminds me of Lumumba. In 2010 he played that role perfectly - had the space and time to make big runs out of defence without being under much pressure. Once he was moved to the wing, it became apparent that he was lacking in his disposal and his ability to make those decisions under pressure.
I think people have been consistently over-rating this part of Maynards game based on a couple of times a game you see him running through as an overlap player who is un-manned. Let him stay as a primary defender and keep doing that... put him regularly in the midfield and I think he will be quickly exposed and people will be very quickly calling for him to be dropped.
(Could do with a poll)
---
Whats the obsession with always trying to turn small defenders/forwards into midfielders? (Not just us - all clubs do it).
IMO, Maynard should stay as a small defender/HB/defensive wing. He does not have the decision making or football IQ to play in the middle regularly.
Have him play from the defensive half, and use those runs and booming kick when space opens up and opposition defenders are not focused on him.
Put him in the midfield and suddenly he is regularly manned up, and he has to make split second decisions consistently - I just dont think he's that type of player.
All this discussion reminds me of Lumumba. In 2010 he played that role perfectly - had the space and time to make big runs out of defence without being under much pressure. Once he was moved to the wing, it became apparent that he was lacking in his disposal and his ability to make those decisions under pressure.
I think people have been consistently over-rating this part of Maynards game based on a couple of times a game you see him running through as an overlap player who is un-manned. Let him stay as a primary defender and keep doing that... put him regularly in the midfield and I think he will be quickly exposed and people will be very quickly calling for him to be dropped.
My preference is off a wing.
Has to play half back.
In Maynard's case, I think some of the determination to push him up the ground comes from our need to have more physical presence around the contest. He doesn't have as much polish as JDG but he's got just as much --or more-- grunt as well as a healthy capacity to hit the scoreboard.
I dunno. Just re-watching Rd 23 for shits and giggles and Maynard was clean, aggressive and quick - moreso than pretty much anyone on the ground. His pass to hit up Elliot for a shot on goal in Rd2 out of traffic was sublime.
In Maynard's case, I think some of the determination to push him up the ground comes from our need to have more physical presence around the contest. He doesn't have as much polish as JDG but he's got just as much --or more-- grunt as well as a healthy capacity to hit the scoreboard.
You're right, his decision-making will likely get exposed throughout the season, but his evolution to date has been impressive and we can hope it will continue in the middle/along the wing.
He’s about 30 games more ready than Maynard was when we promoted him! Regardless we spent up big on Murray so I’d expect early matches from him.
He's kicked 12 goals whilst mainly playing in the backline I think you just backed up his point12 career goals in 51 AFL games. No goals in the back half of the year when he played midfield. I like Bruzzy and there's a possibility that he can become this, but 'demonstrated'?
I suspect we see the game very differently because I couldn't disagree more. Crisps role off half back, his metres gained, disposal efficiency and possession numbers I thought were approaching elite by position. I think we've found one big piece of the jigsaw puzzle with Crisp and i'm very comfortable with him in defence.
What would your small defensive group look like?
No idea how you slot Murray straight in to the 22 when he’s never even played a senior game. Seems more of a stretch than Scharenberg or Langdon.This is how i'd line up in the back line:
Murray Dunn Varcoe
Crisp Reid Howe
No idea how you fit Scharenberg and Langdon into that.
In fact, apart from our forward line, it's ridiculously hard to pick a best 22 with a full list to select from.
He's kicked 12 goals whilst mainly playing in the backline I think you just backed up his point
No idea how you slot Murray straight in to the 22 when he’s never even played a senior game. Seems more of a stretch than Scharenberg or Langdon.
The only need I see is the need for him to prove he’s actually senior quality before declaring him in the best 22.Needs based.
Same with Stephenson, who is very skinny and probably going to get found out at senior level and maybe even reserves with bigger bodies than the TAC cup.The only need I see is the need for him to prove he’s actually senior quality before declaring him in the best 22.
There are plenty of skinny first year players who’ve been able to cut it with the big boys. The kids got enough skill to make up for his smaller frame, but I’d wager he’ll start in the VFL before being thrown to the wolves.Same with Stephenson, who is very skinny and probably going to get found out at senior level and maybe even reserves with bigger bodies than the TAC cup.
Just look at Jack Martin, he’s still as skinny as he was when he debuted lol.There are plenty of skinny first year players who’ve been able to cut it with the big boys. The kids got enough skill to make up for his smaller frame, but I’d wager he’ll start in the VFL before being thrown to the wolves.