Analysis 2017 Non-Crows Discussion Thread - Part V for Vendetta

[kirky]

Who were all these bandwagoners in 2014? About a quarter of their crowd has vanished off the face of the earth.

Reckon it is quite simple.

As we have a large bigger fan base it was difficult to get a ticket to the new Adelaide Oval however Port had capacity so any neutral who wanted to get a peek at Adelaide Oval, bought a game day ticket. The novelty has worn off and basically we are now down to the raw numbers.

They are leaving all those seats empty so the Chinese tourists interested in our game can go! **** me dead!

Not only that but if they ever try to increase the 11 game membership, numbers will drop off again.

 

[Bay62]

I would have thought that winning games is the way you “continually grow a fan base”...

But I could be wrong. It could be that you need to lower the cost rather than increase the value

If only we were that smart

 

[Doctor B]

If you have a spare 10 minutes at this busy time of the year I recommend reading a 4 page thread on the other board about wolves being fed, it is a brilliant read. Here are a few gems

"In fact...the Watts for 31 trade will go down in history the way that the Groom/McLeod trade did."

"Seriously, with the players we've recruited, if we don't win the flag Geelong 2007 style, something has got to be wrong."

"We've weeded out the people who didn't believe in the system. Now it's time to show those campaigners from Richmond how we do things downtown. We have the tools, we have the talent."

"Hinkley can sell his dream to any player in the league, because what he’s offering is the chance at football immortality - a revolution in style that has never been seen before."

"It's not about Port Adelaide winning a flag. It's about Port Adelaide changing the game with how we win the flag. Whether we actually do change the game or not is irrelevant - it's the kind of mentality truly successful sides espouse. It's about making a difference. It doesn't start in 2018. It started back in 2013. But we move from Stage 4 to Stage 5 in 2018.
In 2018, we are the greatest football team in the world."

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

If you have a spare 10 minutes at this busy time of the year I recommend reading a 4 page thread on the other board about wolves being fed, it is a brilliant read. Here are a few gems

"In fact...the Watts for 31 trade will go down in history the way that the Groom/McLeod trade did."

"Seriously, with the players we've recruited, if we don't win the flag Geelong 2007 style, something has got to be wrong."

"We've weeded out the people who didn't believe in the system. Now it's time to show those campaigners from Richmond how we do things downtown. We have the tools, we have the talent."

"Hinkley can sell his dream to any player in the league, because what he’s offering is the chance at football immortality - a revolution in style that has never been seen before."

"It's not about Port Adelaide winning a flag. It's about Port Adelaide changing the game with how we win the flag. Whether we actually do change the game or not is irrelevant - it's the kind of mentality truly successful sides espouse. It's about making a difference. It doesn't start in 2018. It started back in 2013. But we move from Stage 4 to Stage 5 in 2018.
In 2018, we are the greatest football team in the world."

Watts is Groom not McLeod!

It's a hell of a cult down at Alberton when you can just follow like sheep in your utopia of football awesomeness.

Going to be fun to watch if they get any significant injuries, because their depth is severely lacking.

 

[Bay62]

"It's about Port Adelaide changing the game with how we win the flag. Whether we actually do change the game or not is irrelevant..

Haha! This is the funniest, most f*cked up thing I’ve read from them since...well since the last time

 

[Roovolution]

If you have a spare 10 minutes at this busy time of the year I recommend reading a 4 page thread on the other board about wolves being fed, it is a brilliant read. Here are a few gems

"In fact...the Watts for 31 trade will go down in history the way that the Groom/McLeod trade did."

"Seriously, with the players we've recruited, if we don't win the flag Geelong 2007 style, something has got to be wrong."

"We've weeded out the people who didn't believe in the system. Now it's time to show those campaigners from Richmond how we do things downtown. We have the tools, we have the talent."

"Hinkley can sell his dream to any player in the league, because what he’s offering is the chance at football immortality - a revolution in style that has never been seen before."

"It's not about Port Adelaide winning a flag. It's about Port Adelaide changing the game with how we win the flag. Whether we actually do change the game or not is irrelevant - it's the kind of mentality truly successful sides espouse. It's about making a difference. It doesn't start in 2018. It started back in 2013. But we move from Stage 4 to Stage 5 in 2018.
In 2018, we are the greatest football team in the world."

Oh my lord

 

[GreyCrow]

I would have thought that winning games is the way you “continually grow a fan base”...

But I could be wrong. It could be that you need to lower the cost rather than increase the value

If only we were that smart

Bold strategy

 

[kirky]

“Their main weapon is intimidation. They know they are going to win, and so do their opponents."

I think, just before the preseason starts, that it's time to actually explain what I see as Ken Hinkley's idea of football mastery is. Because I don't think I ever have.

NOTE: I'm both drunk AND high so this may move from topic to topic as I think about it. And it's going to be a long post. So read it, don't read it, I don't give a ****. Sorry/not sorry

I've said in the past that defence is the backbone of our game plan. And it is - without a solid defence, you cannot build anything. It is the rock, the foundation from which all offence is generated. If you don't defend, you don't play. That's why Eddy never got any more than three games. How can you pursue football mastery when an entire side of your game is deficient?

So we start with defence. Team defence. That means working as a unit to get the ball back from our opponent as quickly as possible. People misspeak when they talk about our system being a forward press. It isn't a forward press. It's a counter-press, which means a press that moves vertically and horizontally across the field in relation to where the ball is. This is why the roles of Travis Boak and Sam Gray are so vitally important. They don't simply stay forward, but shift up and down the field, pushing as far as into defence to keep our defensive structure. And as they move down the field, so do the forwards, until the entire field is compressed into defensive 50 - at which point the slingshot from 2014 comes into play.

But the best time to get the ball back is in the opposition defensive 50, because it increases pressure on the defence and makes them feel overwhelmed and prone to mistakes. When we have managed to get the ball back as the opposition try to get through defensive half back, we have managed to score pretty easily. Unfortunately, the better teams are conditioned to play out from the back and pick out weaknesses in defensive lines, and when you play someone who is a liability in the forward line in terms of defensive pressure (Trengove) it's kind of hard to lock the ball in and capitalise on mistakes. Do I like Jackson as a player? Absolutely. Am I glad he's gone so we aren't obligated to play him in a system he isn't suited for? ******* oath.

Speaking of our forward line - I've noticed that a lot of people are talking about playing Dixon, Watts and Marshall in the same team. That would be a mistake. In time, I'm seeing Marshall becoming a hybrid of Dixon and Watts - a solitary key forward surrounded by mid-forwards that rotate from midfield to the forward line with occasional rests on the bench. Pretty much your lone athletic striker who is the highest paid player on the team. Yes, I rate him that highly, purely because I think he's got the football smarts, speed and agility to dominate the league. He just needs the power, but that will come with development...which is why I'd be keeping him back in the SANFL and giving him maybe 10 games this year. But I digress.

Dixon as the power forward with Watts the lead up forward is enough. People have banged on and on about the fact that our problems with delivery inside 50 have been due to lack of tall targets, but that's just not true. Just because our delivery has been shit hit and hope bombs inside 50 doesn't mean that with decent delivery and lowering the eyes things won't improve for the better.

Enter Jack Watts.

I called for Watts to be our lead-up forward back in July 2016, because I knew he had an elite kick, good defensive pressure and a pretty good tank on him. Plus he's just a cool guy, and he deserves a premiership after all the shit he's been through with coaches that didn't appreciate his talent. Is he the most contested player in the league? Nope. But we don't need him to be. In fact, we want him a kick away from the contest at all times. If Jack Watts is getting contested possessions, it means there is something wrong. Not because he shouldn't put his head over the ball when it's his turn, but because Watts getting a contested possession means that our team defence has broken down in some capacity.

Watts should be just ahead of the play. Think the striker who only drops as deep as the half way line. That's Watts. In fact, I wouldn't even call him a striker/forward. I'd call him an attacking midfielder. And yes, he is the most important recruit of the off season. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know a goddamned thing about modern football.

From that position, Watts can dictate the play and deliver as our forwards are streaming back into forward 50. Some fool on the Adelaide board once said once that I would kill for a player like Tom Lynch. Watts is better, because his pressure and kicking is elite. In fact...the Watts for 31 trade will go down in history the way that the Groom/McLeod trade did. And why? Because Goodwin is a ****stick who thinks that contested possession is everything. But like anything in statistics, it's all relative.

Motlop and Rockliff = Polec and Robbie Gray 2.0. Self explanatory, really.

Seriously, with the players we've recruited, if we don't win the flag Geelong 2007 style, something has got to be wrong. Adelaide were the most dominant team this year. ******* Adelaide! Josh Jenkins, the guy who won't take a contested mark cause he's afraid he might break a nail. Taylor Walker, the worst captain in the entire league. These campaigners aren't even that good, and the entire league made them look like world beaters!

If you're going in 2018 thinking that our game style is going to reset back to some crap that your grandfather used to play, I hate to tell you this, but you'll be sorely disappointed. It's going to be exactly the same style we played in 2017 with Watts, Rockliff and Motlop added.

And that's going to be enough to rule the school. The only thing that could possibly hold us back is injuries and how quickly our side gels with the new recruits. Which is why playing Fremantle and Brisbane at home in the first three rounds is kind of a good thing, because it gives us an opportunity to iron out the kinks.

Football mastery. There was a big reason why we focused so heavily on running in the first few seasons under Burgess. Because the legs feed the wolf - if you can't run, you'll go hungry.

We've weeded out the people who didn't believe in the system. Now it's time to show those campaigners from Richmond how we do things downtown. We have the tools, we have the talent.

Paragraph 3 explains it totally - pissed and high as a kite. Each post on BF probably done under the same conditions.

 

[GameofSloanes]

If you have a spare 10 minutes at this busy time of the year I recommend reading a 4 page thread on the other board about wolves being fed, it is a brilliant read. Here are a few gems

"In fact...the Watts for 31 trade will go down in history the way that the Groom/McLeod trade did."

"Seriously, with the players we've recruited, if we don't win the flag Geelong 2007 style, something has got to be wrong."

"We've weeded out the people who didn't believe in the system. Now it's time to show those campaigners from Richmond how we do things downtown. We have the tools, we have the talent."

"Hinkley can sell his dream to any player in the league, because what he’s offering is the chance at football immortality - a revolution in style that has never been seen before."

"It's not about Port Adelaide winning a flag. It's about Port Adelaide changing the game with how we win the flag. Whether we actually do change the game or not is irrelevant - it's the kind of mentality truly successful sides espouse. It's about making a difference. It doesn't start in 2018. It started back in 2013. But we move from Stage 4 to Stage 5 in 2018.
In 2018, we are the greatest football team in the world."

What the actual......

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Paragraph 3 explains it totally - pissed and high as a kite. Each post on BF probably done under the same conditions.

Good pick up as I switch off from most of Janus ' posts.

It sure does go a long way to explain much of his delusion is due his drug-induced state..

 

[Sanders]

If you have a spare 10 minutes at this busy time of the year I recommend reading a 4 page thread on the other board about wolves being fed, it is a brilliant read. Here are a few gems

"In fact...the Watts for 31 trade will go down in history the way that the Groom/McLeod trade did."

"Seriously, with the players we've recruited, if we don't win the flag Geelong 2007 style, something has got to be wrong."

"We've weeded out the people who didn't believe in the system. Now it's time to show those campaigners from Richmond how we do things downtown. We have the tools, we have the talent."

"Hinkley can sell his dream to any player in the league, because what he’s offering is the chance at football immortality - a revolution in style that has never been seen before."

"It's not about Port Adelaide winning a flag. It's about Port Adelaide changing the game with how we win the flag. Whether we actually do change the game or not is irrelevant - it's the kind of mentality truly successful sides espouse. It's about making a difference. It doesn't start in 2018. It started back in 2013. But we move from Stage 4 to Stage 5 in 2018.
In 2018, we are the greatest football team in the world."

The fuq?

 

[Sanders]

Fact is, and it is a fact, that no one would choose to sell a 3 game ticket to someone who wants an 11 game ticket

So you lack demand for full membership and you are trying to lure people in with a softer, lower level commitment in order to convert them to a higher grade offering later

That is definitively a defensive strategy. It is a rear guard, back foot option

 

[Pea Nut]

Paragraph 3 explains it totally - pissed and high as a kite. Each post on BF probably done under the same conditions.

If you have a game plan that relies on Sam Gray, it's time to tear up that game plan, sack all the coaches and start again. Well and truly. Wasn't surprising to read the get out clause in that post as well. That's standard. The only other thing I took from that is that Marshall will never amount to anything.

 

[Rusty Crow]

 

[Roovolution]

If you have a game plan that relies on Sam Gray, it's time to tear up that game plan, sack all the coaches and start again. Well and truly. Wasn't surprising to read the get out clause in that post as well. That's standard. The only other thing I took from that is that Marshall will never amount to anything.

You actually read that?????? Why???

 

[Truck25]

If you have a spare 10 minutes at this busy time of the year I recommend reading a 4 page thread on the other board about wolves being fed, it is a brilliant read. Here are a few gems

"In fact...the Watts for 31 trade will go down in history the way that the Groom/McLeod trade did."

"Seriously, with the players we've recruited, if we don't win the flag Geelong 2007 style, something has got to be wrong."

"We've weeded out the people who didn't believe in the system. Now it's time to show those campaigners from Richmond how we do things downtown. We have the tools, we have the talent."

"Hinkley can sell his dream to any player in the league, because what he’s offering is the chance at football immortality - a revolution in style that has never been seen before."

"It's not about Port Adelaide winning a flag. It's about Port Adelaide changing the game with how we win the flag. Whether we actually do change the game or not is irrelevant - it's the kind of mentality truly successful sides espouse. It's about making a difference. It doesn't start in 2018. It started back in 2013. But we move from Stage 4 to Stage 5 in 2018.
In 2018, we are the greatest football team in the world."

I love how down the road they make the finals for the first time in a couple of years to get knocked out 1st game by a team nobody rates outside WA, and they bring in 1 good players and a bunch of cast off's while bleeding all their depth AND! they drink their own bath water claiming they are the 2nd coming and will dominate and change the world. Hell they even come over hear to make sure we know it!

Us on the other hand have been through hell and fallen just short the last couple of years with the last one being the big dance. We recruit an elite player and a solid tagger, 2 needs. Pull off the draft of the decade while setting us up for possibly and even better draft next year, loyal and long term sponsors, Highest average home crowd for the last couple of years AND! I come on here every day (yes I have no life) and all I read is how shit we are, our management are amateurs, our coaching staff suck, our forwards are too soft and they suck, hell even Dicknob down the road is way better.

 

[Pea Nut]

You actually read that?????? Why???

The missus was watching Cake Boss and this thread was open. Not exactly an excuse, but it's all I got !!

 

[beartoo]

If you have a spare 10 minutes at this busy time of the year I recommend reading a 4 page thread on the other board about wolves being fed, it is a brilliant read. Here are a few gems

"In fact...the Watts for 31 trade will go down in history the way that the Groom/McLeod trade did."

"Seriously, with the players we've recruited, if we don't win the flag Geelong 2007 style, something has got to be wrong."

"We've weeded out the people who didn't believe in the system. Now it's time to show those campaigners from Richmond how we do things downtown. We have the tools, we have the talent."

"Hinkley can sell his dream to any player in the league, because what he’s offering is the chance at football immortality - a revolution in style that has never been seen before."

"It's not about Port Adelaide winning a flag. It's about Port Adelaide changing the game with how we win the flag. Whether we actually do change the game or not is irrelevant - it's the kind of mentality truly successful sides espouse. It's about making a difference. It doesn't start in 2018. It started back in 2013. But we move from Stage 4 to Stage 5 in 2018.
In 2018, we are the greatest football team in the world."

​

 

[Elite Crow]

You should read him analysing the latest Star Wars.

 

[Doctor B]

I love how down the road they make the finals for the first time in a couple of years to get knocked out 1st game by a team nobody rates outside WA, and they bring in 1 good players and a bunch of cast off's while bleeding all their depth AND! they drink their own bath water claiming they are the 2nd coming and will dominate and change the world. Hell they even come over hear to make sure we know it!

Us on the other hand have been through hell and fallen just short the last couple of years with the last one being the big dance. We recruit an elite player and a solid tagger, 2 needs. Pull off the draft of the decade while setting us up for possibly and even better draft next year, loyal and long term sponsors, Highest average home crowd for the last couple of years AND! I come on here every day (yes I have no life) and all I read is how shit we are, our management are amateurs, our coaching staff suck, our forwards are too soft and they suck, hell even Dicknob down the road is way better.

Teams who didn't make the 8 last year
Melbourne
Bulldogs
St Kilda
Hawks
Collingwood
Freo
North
Carlton
Gold Coast
Brisbane

Ports wins last year
*teams in red are bottom 4
Sydney
Freo
Carlton
Brisbane
Gold Coast
Hawks
Brisbane
Collingwood
West Coast
North
Saints
Collingwood
Dogs
Gold Coast

 

[mistylake]

We also sell GA memberships primarily as a hill membership, while we do have a very small seating section in one bay the Riverbank Stand essentially our GA membership is an inferior product to our seated memberships hence the price, whereas for $200 Port are selling off 1/3 of the non Western Stand seating as budget tickets.

Their "waiting list" is another smoke and mirrors measure to make things look better than they really are.

They have six spare bays in the outer and over half of the top tiers of both the Southern and Eastern stands spare, there is more than enough free space to accommodate an increase in reserved seat memberships if the demand was actually there for them.

The fact that four years in and Port still have their seated memberships artificially capped and have not increased it shows just how little the demand is for additional reserved seat memberships. I also suspect the club has made an artificial shortage because they're scared that members may not be as inclined to retain their reserved seat membership if they aren't "limited".

I get the interstate membership. 1 seated game in Qld somewhere and 3 GA tickts to AO. Don’t really know why the Adelaide game tickets are general admission. If I bring the kids who also have interstate memberships, I upgrade to a seat if I go with mates I go to the hill. I guess it gives the option, it’s not like the $20 or so upgrade option to a seat is really a financial impediment if your already paying for flights etc.

 

[GreyCrow]

I love how down the road they make the finals for the first time in a couple of years to get knocked out 1st game by a team nobody rates outside WA, and they bring in 1 good players and a bunch of cast off's while bleeding all their depth AND! they drink their own bath water claiming they are the 2nd coming and will dominate and change the world. Hell they even come over hear to make sure we know it!

Us on the other hand have been through hell and fallen just short the last couple of years with the last one being the big dance. We recruit an elite player and a solid tagger, 2 needs. Pull off the draft of the decade while setting us up for possibly and even better draft next year, loyal and long term sponsors, Highest average home crowd for the last couple of years AND! I come on here every day (yes I have no life) and all I read is how shit we are, our management are amateurs, our coaching staff suck, our forwards are too soft and they suck, hell even Dicknob down the road is way better.

I still prefer this boards approach though. Its grounded , maybe not in reality , but at least we arent off in cloud cuckoo land

 

[Jenkins4]

I still prefer this boards approach though. Its grounded , maybe not in reality , but at least we arent off in cloud cuckoo land

This board is the direct opposite; its overly negative.

After reading quite a number of post, they are aready saying we have no change to win the flag and unless we do, the year will be a waste of time. Its only bloody Christmas Eve and 2018 is over.

They maybe extremely positive to the point of dilution but this board is increasingly negative.

 

[GreyCrow]

This board is the direct opposite; its overly negative.

After reading quite a number of post, they are aready saying we have no change to win the flag and unless we do, the year will be a waste of time. Its only bloody Christmas Eve and 2018 is over.

They maybe extremely positive to the point of dilution but this board is increasingly negative.

Maybe we demand elite standards?

 

[Deaneus!]

“In fact...the Watts for 31 trade will go down in history the way that the Groom/McLeod trade did."

Once again we are their benchmark