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[scaryness]

They didn't trade for Tippet. He went straight to them for nothing in the pre-season draft. And yet somehow the Swans still overpaid for him based on what he's delivered.

Hey, we tried to give Adelaide Jesse White. Also threw in pick 23.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Hey, we tried to give Adelaide Jesse White. Also threw in pick 23.

No club would be stupid enough to want Jesse.

 

[Carson Dial]

No club would be stupid enough to want Jesse.

I think you underestimate West Coast..

 

[Rod Stroker]

At his best he was very good but it was all too rare

All that video told told me was that he had some highlights against Carlton, Melbourne, St. Kilda and Gold Coast. Some of the weakest teams in the last 8 years.

 

[Aramis]

Better than Jessie White.

Honestly thats debatable when Tippett is the flip side...

 

[Bollox]

Some perspective rather than fanboi hate mail.

Getting him for nothing will always remain a coup...one you would have been stoked about if your club had pulled it off. It still stacks up.

It is extremely rare for any fwd/ruck to be averaging what he was doing at Adelaide, hence their desperation to break all the rules to re-sign him. They got busted. We took advantage of it. Boo Hoo. If we could do it every season we would.
Alas its not often a club as stupid as Adelaide were comes along....and all we had to do is find an individual average of $5-7Kpa of future player payments right across the senior list spreadsheet to secure him. Sweet deal considering the long list of impending retirements at the time. A 1st rnd pick trade value for nothing, and only $100-150Kpa overs to snare him from Brisbane who were just assuming he'd go to them for under market worth. Who the hell wanted to go to Brisbane back then anyway ?...who would blame him. Anyone crying over a player doing whats best for their career and future needs to go play/watch amateur sports instead.

As a comparison, the yr before it was well known that Mitch Clark went to Dees on $600-650Kpa and knocked back far more to go to Freo who were cashed up and aggressive. Tippett's record was far better, and the $780K required just took a small tweak of the spreadsheet over ensuing seasons.

Go have a look at your own lists to find a comparison utility ruck/fwd.

Kurt Tippett...1.8 goals per game, 10 Hitouts
Drew Petrie... 1.3 goals per game, 4 Hitouts
Mitch Clark....1.1 goals per game, 9 Htouts
Len Thompson....0.90 goals per game, 17 Hitouts
Paul Salmon...1.7 goals per game, 12 Hitouts


Tippett year on year so far
Gls.....HO
17.....118
55.....243
46.....175
31.....130
39.....158
35.....16
34.....77
44....380 *
17....419
7......118

* 2015 are true champion numbers, missing 2 games and having two terrific finals.
See if you can find a single bloke who has averaged 2 goals a game and >17 HO's in the same season. That sort of season value is rare as hens teeth.

You just dont like his face the way his chest sticks out a bit, his hair his teeth and the fact we got him for nothing out from under Brisbane's noses. You think he's arrogant, overpaid, and plays on fumes when he feels like it. Its not important you like him.
You think he drops a few too many overhead marks, but he's a better overhead mark than Franklin ever was.
You really cant put your finger on what it is you dont like...its just the whole package you hate . Its good u hate him.

In terms of a trading coup, you did the same bleating and crying when Franklin didnt go to a cellar dwelling club where he wouldnt be an issue for you.

Adelaide got what they deserved for trying to hold him when he wanted out. They're still crying their poor little eyes about it...awww, that bad bad man didnt want to stay in Adelaide. Bunch of bloody amateurs.
All a player can do is further their career and on the numbers he was producing the queue for him was v v long. Gosh, did he mention Brissy was home but ended up going to Sydney instead ?...ohh booo bloody hoo. Get over yourself.

Even if he was to retire sooner rather than later, the bloke has been good without being an absolute star. Pushed thru some nasty injuries to stay or get back on the field, and made a damn solid contribution. Perhaps he hasnt lived up to his potential, but he has still been a matchwinner at times. Thats a hellova lot better than most can brag. He helped secure finals berths and played many great games including some great as well as poor finals. Nothing unusual there.

You can have a ruckman, or a forward. We got the versatility of having both...on the cheap. No training wheels, no 2-5yrs getting up to speed, etc etc.

 

[ziad]

So is he retiring?

 

[The_Reaper]

How the game will go on without Cloke and Tippett is a mystery. We'lL never see the like of such over-rated list cloggers again...

Harsh on Cloke. Good player for a while.

 

[ManOfClay]

How the game will go on without Cloke and Tippett is a mystery. We'lL never see the like of such over-rated list cloggers again...

You mean former superstar Cloke who just got old?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Some perspective rather than fanboi hate mail.

Getting him for nothing will always remain a coup...one you would have been stoked about if your club had pulled it off. It still stacks up.

It is extremely rare for any fwd/ruck to be averaging what he was doing at Adelaide, hence their desperation to break all the rules to re-sign him. They got busted. We took advantage of it. Boo Hoo. If we could do it every season we would.
Alas its not often a club as stupid as Adelaide were comes along....and all we had to do is find an individual average of $5-7Kpa of future player payments right across the senior list spreadsheet to secure him. Sweet deal considering the long list of impending retirements at the time. A 1st rnd pick trade value for nothing, and only $100-150Kpa overs to snare him from Brisbane who were just assuming he'd go to them for under market worth. Who the hell wanted to go to Brisbane back then anyway ?...who would blame him. Anyone crying over a player doing whats best for their career and future needs to go play/watch amateur sports instead.

As a comparison, the yr before it was well known that Mitch Clark went to Dees on $600-650Kpa and knocked back far more to go to Freo who were cashed up and aggressive. Tippett's record was far better, and the $780K required just took a small tweak of the spreadsheet over ensuing seasons.

Go have a look at your own lists to find a comparison utility ruck/fwd.

Kurt Tippett...1.8 goals per game, 10 Hitouts
Drew Petrie... 1.3 goals per game, 4 Hitouts
Mitch Clark....1.1 goals per game, 9 Htouts
Len Thompson....0.90 goals per game, 17 Hitouts
Paul Salmon...1.7 goals per game, 12 Hitouts


Tippett year on year so far
Gls.....HO
17.....118
55.....243
46.....175
1.......130
39.....158
35.....16
34.....77
44....380 *
17....419
7......118

* 2015 are true champion numbers, missing 2 games and having two terrific finals.
See if you can find a single bloke who has averaged 2 goals a game and >17 HO's in the same season. That sort of season value is rare as hens teeth.

You just dont like his face the way his chest sticks out a bit, his hair his teeth and the fact we got him for nothing out from under Brisbane's noses. You think he's arrogant, overpaid, and plays on fumes when he feels like it. Its not important you like him.
You think he drops a few too many overhead marks, but he's a better overhead mark than Franklin ever was.
You really cant put your finger on what it is you dont like...its just the whole package you hate . Its good u hate him.

In terms of a trading coup, you did the same bleating and crying when Franklin didnt go to a cellar dwelling club where he wouldnt be an issue for you.

Adelaide got what they deserved for trying to hold him when he wanted out. They're still crying their poor little eyes about it...awww, that bad bad man didnt want to stay in Adelaide. Bunch of bloody amateurs.
All a player can do is further their career and on the numbers he was producing the queue for him was v v long. Gosh, did he mention Brissy was home but ended up going to Sydney instead ?...ohh booo bloody hoo. Get over yourself.

Even if he was to retire sooner rather than later, the bloke has been good without being an absolute star. Pushed thru some nasty injuries to stay or get back on the field, and made a damn solid contribution. Perhaps he hasnt lived up to his potential, but he has still been a matchwinner at times. Thats a hellova lot better than most can brag. He helped secure finals berths and played many great games including some great as well as poor finals. Nothing unusual there.

You can have a ruckman, or a forward. We got the versatility of having both...on the cheap. No training wheels, no 2-5yrs getting up to speed, etc etc.

Yes, the precious Adelaide administration were extremely incompetent with the illegal Tippett deal, then Trigg blocking the Brisbane trade which would have put it to bed was even worse.

However, Adelaide are hardly still crying over the loss of Tippett. We replaced him with Jenkins at less that half of what Tippett earned over the journey (& who has kicked plenty more goals) & also gave us the cap space to land Eddie.

In the end, Sydney did us a favour taking an overpaid underachieving Gillett off our hands... but the biggest bonus was it led to the downfall of Trigg as a bloody mediocre CEO who had held back the Crows.

Thanks again.

 

[1970crow]

Yes, the precious Adelaide administration were extremely incompetent with the illegal Tippett deal, then Trigg blocking the Brisbane trade which would have put it to bed was even worse.

However, Adelaide are hardly still crying over the loss of Tippett. We replaced him with Jenkins at less that half of what Tippett earned over the journey (& who has kicked plenty more goals) & also gave us the cap space to land Eddie.

In the end, Sydney did us a favour taking an overpaid underachieving Gillett off our hands... but the biggest bonus was it led to the downfall of Trigg as a bloody mediocre CEO who had held back the Crows.

Thanks again.

We definitely did well in terms of Trigg being found out and not overpaying for a decent player. Sydney's first and second plus our's that year and next would have been handy though.

 

[DERO]

No club would be stupid enough to want Jesse.

He has only just made it into North Melbourne's age profile.

 

[ShadeyP]

So is he retiring or not ?

 

[Kosi]

Some perspective rather than fanboi hate mail.

Go have a look at your own lists to find a comparison utility ruck/fwd.

Kurt Tippett...1.8 goals per game, 10 Hitouts
Drew Petrie... 1.3 goals per game, 4 Hitouts
Mitch Clark....1.1 goals per game, 9 Htouts
Len Thompson....0.90 goals per game, 17 Hitouts
Paul Salmon...1.7 goals per game, 12 Hitouts

Len Thompson and Paul Salmon were genuine stars. Stats are not relevant to compare across the different eras.

 

[Timewaster]

You mean former superstar Cloke who just got old?

If you guys are happy with your ROI then good on you.

 

[Aramis]

Tbh good riddance... Just an overpaid hack + i'm sick of hearing about the "Bondi Billionaires" (dat culcha)... win a premiership ffs.
You will be remembered as the guy who Adelaide salary cap rorted for and then defected to Sydney for $$$ and did SWEET FA.
Bye bye.

 

[ManOfClay]

If you guys are happy with your ROI then good on you.

1. We didn’t invest much. Certainly nowhere near what Sydney have Tippett.

There’s a hundred players in the league just sitting on a list not giving their club any ROI really. Not just the guys you mentioned.

 

[Benny78]

You mean former superstar Cloke who just got old?

He's failed and missed throughout his entire career. Particularly in the clutch moments. If he's a superstar then Hawkins is a Hall of fame legend.

 

[scaryness]

He's failed and missed throughout his entire career. Particularly in the clutch moments. If he's a superstar then Hawkins is a Hall of fame legend.

They're about the same

 

[regpies]

He should call Chris Mayne and find out.

As Kerry Packer said you only get one Allan Bond in your lifetime. For Chris Mayne it was Gubby Allan

 

[regpies]

No club would be stupid enough to want Jesse.

Nor would any club be stupid enough to sign Chris Maybe to a 4yr 2mil deal. Oh wait....

 

[regpies]

If it's true I have a feeling he's going to move back to the Gold Coast and take up a coaching role with us. A new position just opened up with Nick Malceski moving into the NEAFL coaching role so there's a spot for him if the two parties wish to do so. Plus, a quick look on his instagram shows his two most recent photos are of him on the Gold Coast with mates.

Coaching? He didn’t know what to do on the footy field so how’s he going to tell someone else the right thing to do?

It would be like Jeff Fenech teaching elocution

 

[Pali23]

Easy come easy go for Sydney who will the AFL gift them next?

 

[Bollox]

Len Thompson and Paul Salmon were genuine stars. Stats are not relevant to compare across the different eras.

It is relevant. Used both rucks/fwds from recent times as well as some from the past.
KPF's who did some ruckwork, and Rucks who switched to KPF, and champion rucks like Thompson who would drift/rest fwd and contribute to the scoreboard.
Nobody in their right mind would claim Tippett to be up with champions, but there are very few ways to gauge true baseline value unless cutting out the emotion.

Paul Salmon
Gl...HO
Dons
14...44
63...84
15....4
46...154
43...214
37...126
39...144
43...208
30...176
59...148
65...194
16...165
39....29
Hawks
4...252
13..352
7...549
9...380
8...443
11..231

A true champion. Relevant because there are few to compare with when you consider the amount of ruckwork AND scoreboard he contributed. Sometimes Ruck only, and times he played as a KPF. In most years he contributed both.

Kurt Tippett
Gls.....HO
Adel
17.....118
55.....243
46.....175
31.....130
39.....158
Sydney
35.....16
34.....77
44....380
17....419
7......118

Tippett simply hasnt excelled at either KPF OR Ruck. Decent only at both. No crime in NOT being a great of the game. Still a pretty bloody good combined contribution as far as i'm concerned. Unfortunately though a good injury free run is starting to look like a big call.

None of this says Tippett is up with any of the games greats. I'll take the brilliant #1 ruck or the brilliant 70g+ KPF anytime...but to even pretend he's been a "hack" or somehow produced f'all is quite simply moronic, and just a convenient kiddy troll.

Our clubs make decisions. No risk, No reward. He hasnt achieved what we were hoping, but no way would i ever do anything but applaud the club for getting aggressive and making a decision like this one. Unlike many he did earn a big contract, and we took a risk paying slight overs to snatch him from Brissy.
We'd do it again tomorrow...some clubs take risks and arnt concerned about the hindsight numbskulls.

 

[CaptainChardonnay]

When he went down in 2015, at the time he was one of the best ruckmen in the league (or mid 2016, I can't remember).

2016. When he was good he was very, very good. Unfortunately, those good games weren't as frequent as they should of been and when he did get on a roll, he seemed to always get injured. As a team, can't say we'll miss him. His inconsistency was/is a liability. Better off to have a good consistent Ruck fwd than a superstar one game, liability next type.

And before all the haters come out, Having met the bloke a number of times and had extended conversations with him, a nicer bloke you will not meet. Very unassuming, no ego about him and an absolute gentleman. I don't expect that will slow anyone down from slagging him off even though they don't know him but this is BF so away you go snipers.