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Tibbs said:
Your are right, and so is pick-pocketing, but it is still not acceptable. Its interesting GremioPower, it appears that diving just doesnt fit into the Aussie psyche. Even in the round football game here, it is hugely frowned upon, and if a player dives, he gets ripped apart as much by his players & supporters. In AFL, it just doesnt fit in at all! It is a tough contact sport, and anyone faking and diving is absolutely vilified, by the oppo, his own, and in the media.

Thomas got into a bad habit at North, but I am sure the Port boys will cure him of it .... although I wouldnt be surprised if he regresses every now and then!
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It's moot. He'll quickly enough discover Port players don't get away with diving. Or often real high contact. He'll see he's just giving the opposition unopposed control of the ball and quickly stop doing it.
 
NoddyHolder said:
I still think Thomas is unlikely to play many senior games. He's here for depth
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His time in injury rehab probably has me leaning towards that, will be hard unless he's at peak fitness.
 
Peck said:
Joel Selwood dives, and screams at the umpire plenty.

Yeah diving is well frowned upon here, but if you are liked by the umpires then it works pretty well.

Unfortunately umpires use it as an excuse to avoid giving free kicks to those they don’t like. See Robbie Gray.

Also there are different categories of diving. Exaggerating contact is one thing, creating it out of nowhere is another, it’s very rate to see the latter in footy.
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I have never seen him dive! I have seen him duck ... many times. There is a HUGE difference between the two!

Selwood duck:

Oliver dive:
 
Hope Lindsay goes well for you guys.

The biggest issue I had with Lindsay was that he wasn't always smart with the way he went about things. At times he would confuse himself with being a 6'6 key forward wanting the ball to be bombed in long to him in a 1 on 1 marking contest rather than using his speed to lead into space. He will both excite you and frustrate you. His skills and ball use is underrated, he just needs to use his head a little better and play smarter.
 

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Better Loosen Up said:
The biggest issue I had with Lindsay was that he wasn't always smart with the way he went about things. At times he would confuse himself with being a 6'6 key forward wanting the ball to be bombed in long to him in a 1 on 1 marking contest rather than using his speed to lead into space. He will both excite you and frustrate you. His skills and ball use is underrated, he just needs to use his head a little better and play smarter.
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He’ll fit right it.
 
Prison Bars said:
Maybe in Brazilian soccer, but here it is considered cheating and deemed unacceptable, even if you can get away with it.
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Gavin Wanganeen got away with it for at least a decade lol
 
Prison Bars said:
Maybe in Brazilian soccer, but here it is considered cheating and deemed unacceptable, even if you can get away with it.
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although it wins finals and premierships so how unacceptable is it really..? same things happen in both codes, everyone goes apeshit about it, umps come out and say "we made a mistake" and add more lenience to the rules for the divers, we move to the next outrage
 
Prison Bars said:
Maybe in Brazilian soccer, but here it is considered cheating and deemed unacceptable, even if you can get away with it.
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Ah soccer, the game where diving to con the referee is considered poor sportsmanship but 22 players putting their hands up every time the ball goes out of play screaming 'that's our ball!' regardless of who touched the ball last is considered fair game.
 
GremioPower said:
Once again, let me say this:

- Diving is a skill.
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Brazil's finest.

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Tibbs said:
I have never seen him dive! I have seen him duck ... many times. There is a HUGE difference between the two!

Selwood duck:

Oliver dive:
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He exaggerates contact all the time. That’s “diving” if what Lindsay Thomas does is.

Oliver was elbowed to the face out of nowhere when play was stopped, yeah he exaggerated it a bit but it was extremely overblown. Look at Westhoff’s elbow to that random Essendon player for someone doing the exact same thing while initiating contact, the incidents are basically the same just one of them “looked” a little better.

Maybe that’s the “skill” in it. Some people dive well enough to be considered tough, while others look weak because they aren’t as talented in acting or not as aggressive about it.

Edit: Example for Selwood is him holding his face and grimacing while complaining constantly to the umpire. Looks “tough” still diving.
 

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ROBBBO said:
Gavin Wanganeen got away with it for at least a decade lol
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And was constantly hounded for it by the media. Unsurprisingly he was also a mite duskier than Joel Selwood.
 
Prison Bars said:
a) that wasn't for diving or staging and most of the contact he got to the head was actual contact. He initiates the contact, but it is real.
b) come on, it was an awful tackle and the fact we are moaning about the staging part of it is exactly my point.
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Lol/carn. No denying he's a tough player you'd love on your team, but his shoulder shrug is no less a tactic to win free kicks than Lindsay Thomas' diving.

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In fact he admitted as much back in 2012.

JOEL Selwood admits his uncanny ability to draw head-high free kicks is a legitimate evasive technique and he is merely exploiting an advantage he has over less experienced or weaker opponents.

Both acts have intent to exaggerate contact and fool the umpire into giving away a free kick. You can't defend one and not the other.
 
TheFVK said:
Lol/carn. No denying he's a tough player you'd love on your team, but his shoulder shrug is no less a tactic to win free kicks than Lindsay Thomas' diving.

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In fact he admitted as much back in 2012.

JOEL Selwood admits his uncanny ability to draw head-high free kicks is a legitimate evasive technique and he is merely exploiting an advantage he has over less experienced or weaker opponents.

Both acts have intent to exaggerate contact and fool the umpire into giving away a free kick. You can't defend one and not the other.
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Selwood is like Murali. Everyone knows they cheat, but it was allowed to go on too long and the ruling bodies were / are small men, more afraid if they started / start paying them now, they’ll cop grief for not paying earlier. Rather then stand up and own that all those frees shouldn’t have been called and he is a cheat.
 
I'm mindblown that anyone could think there's a significant difference between ducking and diving.
 

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Nice to see this thread invigorated.

I don't argue with anybody that has reservations about Thomas and the way he goes about it. My personal sympathies were awakened when the tide turned in 2016 and where you had stony faced umpires insolently refusing to pay him what were obvious frees on every other day of the week. Im happy we drafted Lindsay - highly skilled, good as a potential low cost / high reward pick up, and with the lure of an old time redemption narrative.
 
Doctor Feel said:
Ducking and diving are not the same actions but are the same result. It's really quite irrelevant distinguishing them.
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Ducking instigates an infringement, that wouldn't have otherwise occurred.

Diving implies there was an infringement, when there actually wasn't.

Ducking is actually worse because it is dangerous.
 
I feel like ducking is a legitimate technique for evading a tackle. The rule just has to be clear and policed properly, if you are ducking to evade a tackle and there is head high contact it’s play on.
 

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