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It was at some point. Probably needs a lockI know I don't post much, but isn't this a thread about our practice match against north?
People aren’t pseudo-tough like the previous generations, sure, but you’ll definitely find that this generation is going to breed much more adaptable individuals
I don’t know it needs locking. It’s vibrant and free spirited.It was at some point. Probably needs a lock
Every generation thinks theirs is the best one. Every aging generation thinks the kids coming up in the next couple are soft, or as Topkent is suggesting less resilient.
It is a never ending cycle.
Who cares about being tough anyway?
I quite enjoy being a sensitive little piss-ant living off my parents oil fields.
I don’t know it needs locking. It’s vibrant and free spirited.
There are reasons why the younger people coming through are softer, as mentioned earlier. That "people always say that" is neither here nor there; they might be wrong or they might be right. In recent years, they'd be spot on.
I don't think my generation is the best. Some people seem to switch off when you talk about standards / conditions being better in the past because they assume you're just taking a rosey-tinted view. When I first started playing Senior cricket, the lowest grade had a lot of very good older players floating around plus talented young kids. Fast forward 15 to 20 years and the middle grades are half-populated by social players and guys who would hardly have had a look in previously. That's only if you're lucky enough to be able to cobble together 11 players every week, which was another thing that got harder and harder over the years. The standard in local sport really has dropped markedly, and I'd imagine you can put that down to computers, video games, dance parties / weekend music festivals, Saturday becoming another working day, junior sports becoming a non-competitive-give-every-tom-dick-and-harry-a-go hand-holding session and, with some sports, mothers not wanting Little Johnny getting hurt.
There's a reason why we're not punching well above our weight in professional sports like we used to; the culture has significantly changed. We might have great facilities, coaches, sports science etc at the pointy end, but the pyramid is definitely getting narrower and weaker at the bottom.
Now, you can think this is just an older person thinking that the younger folk coming through are softer, but I'd love to hear some reasoning as to why they're not.
There could be so many factors contributing to your experience though, your club cricket anecdote is just your personal experience, without having any knowledge or data of the situation as a whole it is hard to give you solid reasoning against
I agree with your reasoning about the potential causes for your experience (being that there are more substitute activities which are potentially more fun or rewarding for the participants and a culture change in many different levels of our society) but not the conclusions you have drawn.
Some anecdotal evidence of my own, certain local footy clubs have done very well and thrived over the last 20 years in the area I live. I have heard players from these clubs talk about the strong culture they build there.
Maybe that is a potential reason for a drop off at the local level you have seen, maybe clubs are not fostering a strong culture now days.
Mate it's not even 30 years ago. Watch the 2006 elimination final against StKilda. It's almost a completely different sport.
Don't he stupid mate, he's not wrong. Kids of today have far less resilience than ever because they are put in cotton wool so young they are scared of adversity
6-7 years ago Josh Kennedy from the eagles picked off Sylvia and broke his jaw in a pre season game with no case to answer. That is the type of bump we want out of the game.
Gray was stiff, i can see the arguments why he shouldn't be suspend but unfortunately even incidental contact to the head in that scenario is deemed suspend-able.
Carry on then.I don’t know it needs locking. It’s vibrant and free spirited.
Knees and heads don’t come together that often though, right? If somebody elected to enter a marking contest with their knee and caused injury (or was deemed dangerous enough that it could have caused injury), I imagine in the current system they would be cited and have a case to answer.You can't play aussie rules without incidental contact to the head. Like I said before and everyone brushed over, why are you allowed to use your knee in a marking contest then? That should be outlawed. Oh wait people still like it so we will leave that in.
Knees and heads don’t come together that often though, right? If somebody elected to enter a marking contest with their knee and caused injury (or was deemed dangerous enough that it could have caused injury), I imagine in the current system they would be cited and have a case to answer.
With you, will allow it because preseason.I don’t know it needs locking. It’s vibrant and free spirited.
The point is *head contact* not a knee in the back. It's not rocket science, AFL doesn't have a problem with hard footy, marking contests. They have a problem with intentional, reckless or careless head high contact that can lead in the short term to concussions and in the long term brain damage.So now you are advocating the banning of hangers and contested marking?
Lol I’m not advocating anything, and I haven’t with the earlier discussions either. I’m just thinking rationally, and commenting based on rational thinking, rather than letting emotion associated with nostalgia drive my comments.So now you are advocating the banning of hangers and contested marking?
I don’t know whether I agree or not - but this made me think of something that interested me at the time.There are reasons why the younger people coming through are softer, as mentioned earlier. That "people always say that" is neither here nor there; they might be wrong or they might be right. In recent years, they'd be spot on.
I don't think my generation is the best. Some people seem to switch off when you talk about standards / conditions being better in the past because they assume you're just taking a rosey-tinted view. When I first started playing Senior cricket, the lowest grade had a lot of very good older players floating around plus talented young kids. Fast forward 15 to 20 years and the middle grades are half-populated by social players and guys who would hardly have had a look in previously. That's only if you're lucky enough to be able to cobble together 11 players every week, which was another thing that got harder and harder over the years. The standard in local sport really has dropped markedly, and I'd imagine you can put that down to computers, video games, dance parties / weekend music festivals, Saturday becoming another working day, junior sports becoming a non-competitive-give-every-tom-dick-and-harry-a-go hand-holding session and, with some sports, mothers not wanting Little Johnny getting hurt.
There's a reason why we're not punching well above our weight in professional sports like we used to; the culture has significantly changed. We might have great facilities, coaches, sports science etc at the pointy end, but the pyramid is definitely getting narrower and weaker at the bottom.
Now, you can think this is just an older person thinking that the younger folk coming through are softer, but I'd love to hear some reasoning as to why they're not.
I've also had shitty experiences w/ HR when the proles have complained about the manner in which I've whipped them (or, as you describe it, "constructively criticised"- I like that!).Call it resilience and independence then. They're not unrelated in my mind. Care is a strong word, but for example, if I'm working with someone and they're so afraid of making a decision because they've never had any significant responsibility that I have to hold their hand through every chore, or that I get dragged up in front of HR because someone can't take constructive criticism / honest feedback, then I definitely care then.
In a way, a lot of this "toughness" and the level / fullness of education I've been blabbing on about is preparing someone for the adult world. Schools and universities certainly seem to do a poorer job of that in general. Some of the products of our education system seem to have been raised in a bubble.
Boy I like what you did thereI've also had shitty experiences w/ HR when the proles have complained about the manner in which I've whipped them (or, as you describe it, "constructively criticised"- I like that!).
To be honest though, I'm not sure whether this is a result of a "softer" generation or the fact that people like me are just complete assholes to work for.
Hannan I reckonCan one of you blokes tell me who the blond bloke is that is holding Daw out of this marking contest?
Yep, definitely Mitch HannanCan one of you blokes tell me who the blond bloke is that is holding Daw out of this marking contest?