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So what is the Victorian government actually doing to Etihad and the MCG? I mean as far as I know with the MCG they are knocking down a perfectly good stand and replacing it with a stand that is pretty much the same.
You're right, the stand is only 26 years old and still has many years left in it. It's a good basic and very solid structure that is roomy and easy to get around. All that it probably needs is a fresh lick of paint, new seating and some modernisation of the public amenities contained within.So what is the Victorian government actually doing to Etihad and the MCG? I mean as far as I know with the MCG they are knocking down a perfectly good stand and replacing it with a stand that is pretty much the same.
You're right, the stand is only 26 years old and still has many years left in it. It's a good basic and very solid structure that is roomy and easy to get around. All that it probably needs is a fresh lick of paint, new seating and some modernisation of the public amenities contained within.
The government never set a time line for when they would be replacing it, they just said that it may need to eventually be replaced or upgraded.
28 bays with ten extra rows approx 24 seats wide is about 7000A rebuild of the Southern Stand would not increase capacity one single seat. The Northern Stand (Ponsford, Members and Olympic Stands) which occupies a similar footprint of boundary line as the Southern Stand was designed in line with 2003 standards as opposed to the Great Southern Stand that was built to a 1989 standard and a lot less fat people ... just to seriously put things into politically uncorrect perspective. Ever wonder how they got 121,000 into the G in 1970 with a much smaller ground? Truth is that people were smaller and thinner back then and they also had bench seating.
A 2028 version of a Great Southern Srand would definitely be considerably bigger, higher and probably seat around the same number of people.
Yes but the time lines are only speculative. It would be hard to justify demolishing a very solid structure that is doing its job equally as well as the newer structure without some significant catalyst. The only conceivable reason that they would want to demolish and replace it would be for aesthetic reasons at this stage which would be totally insane! Yes the seats in the GSS are a bit old now and probably could be replaced with newer seats and some of the facilities such as toilets and catering areas could do with an update, but that's hardly a reason to run the wrecking ball through what is a perfectly functional and accessible facility that's doing its job exactly as it was designed and built to do only 26 years ago.The round robin of the cash & kind is not as it appears to some? As I understand it
The AFL agree to extending the tenure of the GF at the G.
The MCC agree to update the facility in the future* & the State Government agree to guarantee the borrowing. The MCC commit to improved returns for tenant clubs effective 2019.
Premier Daniel Andrews said $225 million would be spent on an upgrade of Melbourne's Docklands stadium to improve the ground for sports like soccer, rugby league and rugby union.
The funding will also go to improving women's changerooms in the stadium.
The State Govt locks up the economic benefits of the GF.
Lots of other expenditure in a pre election State budget.
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"While there is no firm timeline or plan surrounding a redevelopment of the Great Southern Stand, we expect that such a project would be delivered in the next 10-15 years," MCC chairman Steven Smith said ...
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-04-14/southern-stand-upgrade-at-least-10-years-away
Yes but the time lines are only speculative. It would be hard to justify demolishing a very solid structure that is doing its job equally as well as the newer structure without some significant catalyst. The only conceivable reason that they would want to demolish and replace it would be for aesthetic reasons at this stage which would be totally insane! Yes the seats in the GSS are a bit old now and probably could be replaced with newer seats and some of the facilities such as toilets and catering areas could do with an update, but that's hardly a reason to run the wrecking ball through what is a perfectly functional and accessible facility that's doing its job exactly as it was designed and built to do only 26 years ago.
A bit like the stadiums in Sydney! But the difference is for games most weekends Melbourne has decent crowds while Sydney does not!So what is the Victorian government actually doing to Etihad and the MCG? I mean as far as I know with the MCG they are knocking down a perfectly good stand and replacing it with a stand that is pretty much the same.
Not sure if they can afford to rebuild anything, they and their 100,000 members are still going to be paying off the $290 million that they contributed to the building of the Northern part of the ground for the next 16 years. At least the $162 million to build the GSS was entirely funded by the Hawke government way back in 1989.More likely that part of the deal will be renegotiated by MCC over the 10-15 year timeframe IMHO. Not sure the MCC have to redevelop, contract? If so it should be in their financials, its material.
But does it need re-building? Nobody has provided a satisfactory answer to that beyond aesthetics, and someone mentioned the corporate box arrangements. But as a public stand that is supposed to be accessible and functional for the general public it is a very good facility that offers excellent views of the ground, it's not difficult to move around, its amenities are easily accessible, I can't think of a sensible reason to demolish it and impose the cost of replacing it (which would likely be around a billion dollars in ten years time) on the MCC members and the general public in our ticket prices.The last MCC annual report showed they have $163m of borrowings which was down from $176m the year before. Interest payments were $12m. With the principle reducing and therefore decreasing interest costs they should be debt free in about 10 years and then able to borrow again to rebuild the GSS.
But does it need re-building? Nobody has provided a satisfactory answer to that beyond aesthetics, and someone mentioned the corporate box arrangements. But as a public stand that is supposed to be accessible and functional for the general public it is a very good facility that offers excellent views of the ground, it's not difficult to move around, its amenities are easily accessible, I can't think of a sensible reason to demolish it and impose the cost of replacing it (which would likely be around a billion dollars in ten years time) on the MCC members and the general public in our ticket prices.
But does it need re-building? Nobody has provided a satisfactory answer to that beyond aesthetics, and someone mentioned the corporate box arrangements. But as a public stand that is supposed to be accessible and functional for the general public it is a very good facility that offers excellent views of the ground, it's not difficult to move around, its amenities are easily accessible, I can't think of a sensible reason to demolish it and impose the cost of replacing it (which would likely be around a billion dollars in ten years time) on the MCC members and the general public in our ticket prices.
There's things that could be better.But does it need re-building? Nobody has provided a satisfactory answer to that beyond aesthetics, and someone mentioned the corporate box arrangements. But as a public stand that is supposed to be accessible and functional for the general public it is a very good facility that offers excellent views of the ground, it's not difficult to move around, its amenities are easily accessible, I can't think of a sensible reason to demolish it and impose the cost of replacing it (which would likely be around a billion dollars in ten years time) on the MCC members and the general public in our ticket prices.
To add to this:There's things that could be better.
The Concourse outside the GSS wing needs to be larger, its a major choke point.
Level 2 and 2a doesnt have great facilities.
Roof being lower causes problems for the Video screens.
An Elavator up to level 4 on the other side of the stand would be useful.
In 10+ year who knows what else might come up.
To add to this:
Level 1 GSS is great, massive tick and is the foundation of the Northern Stands design
However:
*The ramps are non DDA compliant and there are no public service lifts, limiting wheelchairs to the back of the Level 1 seats.
*There are no retail food/beverage outlets on levels 2 and 2a, as the space is solely used by functions
*The toilets for 2/2a are located on level 2a (for public use), if someone did get to level 2 in a wheelchair, they would have to climb (pretty steep) steps to get to them, or be assisted up/down some very steep ramps
*The Level 4 facilities in general are pretty ordinary and under-sized for any event that requires level 4 to be used (ie GF day, boxing day, any crowd 70k+). The outlets are half the size they need to be considering level 4 serves the same number of people as level 1, and the concourses are dangerously crowded with lines spilling out.
Superficial Things, that are neither here nor there.
*The GSS roof blocks the screen for those who are sitting in the middle 2/3s of the stand
*There are no escalators and lifts up to level 2/2a/4
*The stand design does not allow for much natural light. It's a lot of concrete and holes (think subi 3 tier stand).