Hypocrisy of The Left - part 2

[geelong_crazy26]

As has been said inherited wealth and intergenerational poverty are big ones. Kids from lower socio economic backgrounds go to worse schools, have less opportunity than rich kids.

But one of the bigger ones I bang on about is the fact that money buys political influence. If you're poor you dont have $50 million to give to Donald Trump like the Koch Brothers do and therefore your voice is not going to get priority over Charles and David Koch. This further entrenches wealth and privelege in those that already have wealth and privilege.

Also the natural tendency of capitalist economic markets to monopolize. This makes it much more difficult for your small business to compete with the giant corporation (and the campaign contributions from corporations tend to influence politicians to further entrench monopolies and snuff out competition).

Plenty more but that's a start.



Correct. Poor wage workers have little flexibility, time or capital in which to take risks with as they have to ensure a constant stream of income to maintain themselves.

I went to a public primary school and than a private secondary school. My friends were split 50/50 between public and private school.

I can tell you that there was massive difference in the attitude of the 2 groups towards education, I would say my private school friends on average would spend 5x as much time studying as my public school friends. My private school friends were also very ambitious about making lots of money once they left school while those at the public school aimed much lower.

My point is that the reason many families have generation after generation on low incomes is because of a cultural and attitude problem towards education and work.

 

[Bradesmaen]

My point is that the reason many families have generation after generation on low incomes is because of a cultural and attitude problem towards education and work.

Your reasoning would be wrong. It is more to do with the quality of education received. Low income families generally will struggle to put their kids through private school (especially if they have two or more) because private schools cost a s**t load more.

It's like you don't think before you type. Actually, that's exactly what it is.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Totally, his mindset is appalling.

Such lazy thinking. It is a shame his parents don't value education (an no GC, sending you to a private school doesn't mean they value real learning). If he is as rich as he claims he could have studied for the sake of learning with no worries about his financial future. He'd definitely be less of a campaigner too.

I actually believe in freedom of the individual which is something many on this forum do not. You and others are free to study whatever you like and I encourage you to do so but don't expect me to pay for it or dictate to me what I should be studying.

 

[Funkalicous]

Your reasoning would be wrong. It is more to do with the quality of education received. Low income families generally will struggle to put their kids through private school (especially if they have two or more) because private schools cost a s**t load more.

It's like you don't think before you type. Actually, that's exactly what it is.

I actually think you're both kind of right. The lived experience in my circles is that, as mentioned in my earlier post, inexperienced teachers are pushed out to low socioeconomic areas, thus reducing the teaching quality for kids that go to these schools. Of course that may just be Queensland... I don't mean to speak for every state. Likewise, teachers that go to these same schools often tell me just how baffled they are by the lack of learning capacity and motivation of these students, and that it often stems from the same lack of motivation and lack of appreciation towards learning from the parents. Now I wouldn't put it completely down to culture, and I don't like judging a book by its cover, but certainly we have seen certain cultures, particularly asian cultures that completely dominate the academic leaderboards. Is there a cultural aspect to their performance? You betcha!

 

[Bradesmaen]

I actually think you're both kind of right. The lived experience in my circles is that, as mentioned in my earlier post, inexperienced teachers are pushed out to low socioeconomic areas, thus reducing the teaching quality for kids that go to these schools. Of course that may just be Queensland... I don't mean to speak for every state. Likewise, teachers that go to these same schools often tell me just how baffled they are by the lack of learning capacity and motivation of these students, and that it often stems from the same lack of motivation and lack of appreciation towards learning from the parents. Now I wouldn't put it completely down to culture, and I don't like judging a book by its cover, but certainly we have seen certain cultures, particularly asian cultures that completely dominate the academic leaderboards. Is there a cultural aspect to their performance? You betcha!

Asian cultures have a problem with that approach though.

 

[quotemokc]

Your reasoning would be wrong. It is more to do with the quality of education received. Low income families generally will struggle to put their kids through private school (especially if they have two or more) because private schools cost a s**t load more.

It's like you don't think before you type. Actually, that's exactly what it is.

I went to a private high school and I can tell you some of the teachers were bloody useless.

It is less to do with private v public because a lot of the costs go into amentities and culture etc, not better teachers being paid double public teachers.

What we need is a more stringent system to keep track of teachers and make sure that they are performing to an expected standard. (eg remove tenure)

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Your reasoning would be wrong. It is more to do with the quality of education received. Low income families generally will struggle to put their kids through private school (especially if they have two or more) because private schools cost a s**t load more.

It's like you don't think before you type. Actually, that's exactly what it is.

Did you go to a private school ?

Why can some many students from government schools go on to do exceptionally well ?

 

[madmug]

Did you go to a private school ?

Why can some many students from government schools go on to do exceptionally well ?

The obvious comment is that 'why can some many students from private schools go on to do so poorly?

The clear point is that it is not simple why some do/ some don't do 'well'. Family culture,peer group culture, lack of opportunity, heaps of opportunity, not knowing the 'right' people, knowing the 'right' people, bad luck in trying to do well, good luck in trying to do well. And on it goes.

Just listening to the RC into finance. So many people who started small businesses had the legs kicked out from under them by the banks.

Perhaps they didn't know daddy's bank manager?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

The obvious comment is that 'why can some many students from private schools go on to do so poorly?

The clear point is that it is not simple why some do/ some don't do 'well'. Family culture,peer group culture, lack of opportunity, heaps of opportunity, not knowing the 'right' people, knowing the 'right' people, bad luck in trying to do well, good luck in trying to do well. And on it goes.

Just listening to the RC into finance. So many people who started small businesses had the legs kicked out from under them by the banks.

Perhaps they didn't know daddy's bank manager?

It seems that the left are so obsessed with making it a contest of Rich vs Poor which is simply based on jealousy rather than trying to make life better for the poor.

If you have good people skills you can make contacts no matter how rich or poor your parents are.

 

[madmug]

It seems that the left are so obsessed with making it a contest of Rich vs Poor which is simply based on jealousy rather than trying to make life better for the poor.

If you have good people skills you can make contacts no matter how rich or poor your parents are.

You asked the question, I answered it.

So you change tack & make it about jealousy, because that suits your bias. You don't want to bother understanding the reality of structured social bias.

You have a far better chance to 'make it' if you are given the opportunity your socioeconomic upbringing allows you. Their are exceptions. I went to a government school in Hobart with a guy who ended up in Sydney as the CEO of Coca-cola Amatil some years back. Their is no way you could tell he would get that far in his business life. But the odds are against those from the LSE groups becoming CEOs of anything. Hence a lower chance to 'make it'.

 

[The_Snake]

France – Where Even The Cops Are Afraid To Confront The Problem. People somehow think American cops are "brutal" and "ruthless" compared to the rest of the world, but truth is, they just have guts. Give me American cops over these European wussies any day.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Did you go to a private school ?

Why can some many students from government schools go on to do exceptionally well ?

Well they definitely write better than you..

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Well they definitely write better than you..

Good for them. Can they also stay away from my money ?

If australia does not change when i inherit my dads business i will move it too the usa like many others are. This means jobs gone.

 

[Bradesmaen]

Good for them. Can they also stay away from my money ?

If australia does not change when i inherit my dads business i will move it too the usa like many others are. This means jobs gone.

Your unearned money? And I can hear future Australia cheering of you moving to the USA. You may also want to check your facts on businesses moving to the USA from Australia, once again you lie like your dear friends at the LNP/Trump whitehouse. Oh wait no, I'm a marxist, leftist, climate change fairy friend and friend of the gays because I disagree with you.

 

[Bradesmaen]

France – Where Even The Cops Are Afraid To Confront The Problem. People somehow think American cops are "brutal" and "ruthless" compared to the rest of the world, but truth is, they just have guts. Give me American cops over these European wussies any day.

Ah yes, because shooting people who don't have weapons is the answer to all problems.

Has this thread now turned into your personal video posting about anything (not the actual topic) to do with Europe and how a country you've never been to (probably have never even had a passport because you're afraid you might see a person of different colour or religion) is apparently in trouble because someone posted fake news/a montage video of different events over many years to pretend something is happening but it isn't?

I would say you're better than this Bennett, but you aren't.

 

[The_Snake]

Ah yes, because shooting people who don't have weapons is the answer to all problems.

Has this thread now turned into your personal video posting about anything (not the actual topic) to do with Europe and how a country you've never been to (probably have never even had a passport because you're afraid you might see a person of different colour or religion) is apparently in trouble because someone posted fake news/a montage video of different events over many years to pretend something is happening but it isn't?

I would say you're better than this Bennett, but you aren't.

There are literally no go zones in areas of Europe where police will not attend call outs. A strong police force is needed to get the streets back from animals.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

You haven't been beyond your rural igloo. Stop talking as if you know anything.

 

[Bradesmaen]

There are literally no go zones in areas of Europe where police will not attend call outs. A strong police force is needed to get the streets back from animals.

No there aren't, stop making s**t up/regurgitating what you read on Voice of Europe.

 

[DimitriBlues]

Why is it that when someone passes on the truth about Europe, you try and counter by saying they have never been there?

 

[DimitriBlues]

GC26 has banged on about over and over and over and ******* over again. It's beyond boring. I would suggest Malifice has had enough, especially given people are volunteering their time to moderate these forums.

And it would be relevant if people were advocating for communism en masse. There are genuine communists in western society but they are very much on the fringes. I think there was one communist on here a few years ago but he/she no longer posts here. He's trying to pin people into an ideologue they don't belong too.

No matter how much he screams it into the internet abyss people pushing for social reforms is not the same as advocating for socialism/communism.

I'm constantly told by the media and so called intellectuals that socialism is not communism?

 

[The_Snake]

No there aren't, stop making s**t up/regurgitating what you read on Voice of Europe.

You blithering idiot. Do a little research, dimwit. * me, leftists are thick.
https://www.thelocal.fr/20161010/are-there-police-no-go-zones-in-france-the-police-say-yes

 

[The_Snake]

Why is it that when someone passes on the truth about Europe, you try and counter by saying they have never been there?

Bizarre, isn't it. I've been to Europe before, but that was before Merkel opened the gates to hell and the terrorist attacks and mass sexual assaults occurred.

 

[The_Snake]

You haven't been beyond your rural igloo. Stop talking as if you know anything.

How rich coming from the resident basement dweller.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Your unearned money? And I can hear future Australia cheering of you moving to the USA. You may also want to check your facts on businesses moving to the USA from Australia, once again you lie like your dear friends at the LNP/Trump whitehouse. Oh wait no, I'm a marxist, leftist, climate change fairy friend and friend of the gays because I disagree with you.

See this is the problem with left ideology, it is usually based on emotion which in most cases is jealousy rather than logic .

Telling business owners to go to another country will send Australia into a great depression.

Have you seen how low wages are in the USA ? to compete with them we must cut costs elsewhere or jobs will go by by.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

I wouldn't trust you to run a lemonade stand. You will sink the business, and turn into pond scum scouring facebook pages for stories about blacks like the other dumb campaigner in this thread.