I somehow missed when Subiaco was ejected from the WAFL competition. When did that happen?
You dont play the village idiot role very well, alternatively ....
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I somehow missed when Subiaco was ejected from the WAFL competition. When did that happen?
Why didnt the Fitzroy merger with the Coburg VFA/VFL club work?
You dont play the village idiot role very well, alternatively ....
Can you answer the question? When was Subiaco was ejected from the WAFL competition?
Subiaco was ejected from the highest level (his actual words) when the West Coast Eagles joined the VFL.
If you say Fitzroy three times Roylion will appear behind you, armed with the sword of vengeance and the shield of pedantry.
Subiaco was ejected from the highest level (his actual words) when the West Coast Eagles joined the VFL.
You seem to talk about about Essendon a fair bit.
And once again.
There's a significant difference between Subiaco's and Fitzroy's experience is what I am saying. Subiaco continues in the same competition against the same traditional rivals. All Subiaco's WAFL club records, such as their thirteen premierships continue. When Subiaco next wins a premiership as part of the same competition they've been in since 1901, that will be their fourteenth WAFL premiership. Fitzroy will never play their traditional rivals Collingwood or Carlton again and their hundred year old VFL/AFL records are finished. They will never have a Brownlow Medallist, never play on the MCG again, never be able to add to their eight VFL-AFL premierships.
It’s rediculous what they’re arguing about. They both lost out. One got kicked out of its league n the other, if the AFL reserves ever gets started, will play in a third tier league.
It’s like saying in the after life I died more because I got burnt to death n you only got shot to death.
Both your clubs got screwed over by the advent of the afl.
Can you answer the question? When was Subiaco was ejected from the WAFL competition?
Given my comment had a context, i.e competing at the top level, but you are unable/unwilling to grasp this basic fact, you aren't fair dinkum.
WA & SA fans made a significant commitment to the national comp,
You seem to talk about about Essendon a fair bit.
And once again.
There's a significant difference between Subiaco's and Fitzroy's experience is what I am saying. Subiaco continues in the same competition against the same traditional rivals. All Subiaco's WAFL club records, such as their thirteen premierships continue. When Subiaco next wins a premiership as part of the same competition they've been in since 1901, that will be their fourteenth WAFL premiership. Fitzroy will never play their traditional rivals Collingwood or Carlton again and their hundred year old VFL/AFL records are finished. They will never have a Brownlow Medallist, never play on the MCG again, never be able to add to their eight VFL-AFL premierships.
You seem to take it as an insult whenever anyone dare suggest that Fitzroy may not have been the only team to have in some way suffered greviously at the hands of administrators. HPKS's analogy is accurate.
You seem to take it as an insult whenever anyone dare suggest that Fitzroy may not have been the only team to have in some way suffered greviously at the hands of administrators.
Short term the expansion was a disaster, long term it will eventually come good. Oh and Tradition hs to Start somewhere doesn't it? 50 years from now, your argument is irrelevant.Seriously everytime I see Gold Coast or gws play they inflate the crowd numbers
It’s been a disaster exsoansion ...besides ex pats from footy playing states there zero interest in the game
Empty orange seats don’t tell lies ....maybe you need to do a Gabba ....have multi coloured seats to make it look like there’s a a crowd ...lbetter still ...sell blow up doles that you can sit next to in the crowd
Expansion into gws and Gold Coast was a joke ...poorly planned ....
No one cares about footy there
Again, Tradition has to start somewhere. Freo wee struggling to get crowds of over 15,000 back in the 1990s, they made finals in 2003 and have averaged more than 30,000 ever since.Gws and Gold Coast are mistakes
In five years no one will want to play in front of 5,000 people
I believe they inflate crowd numbers too ....I saw one figure if 15,000 at a giants game and thought YEAH NAH ....THERE WAS empty seats everywhere
We didn’t need 18 teams .....Gold Coast will be a basket case in three years when everyone has left
The issue I see is the two teams have no footy culture ...you can’t develope that.
Your team GWS and Gold coast are long term projects.Lucky neither ckub actually plays in front of 5k then.
If you choose to believe your fantasy with no data, over published data, you can. Just dont expect to be taken seriously.
The issue is Sydney have been there for 35 years or so and how important have they really become in Sydney? The SCG constantly has green empty seats everywhere and even against good sides it will never sell out. And don't say the GWS Giants cannibalised their support because it's not like it's even really gone down. There is no issue in having a couple of teams in non-footy states but 16 was a perfect number, and token presence in Brisbane and Sydney was all you needed.I remember when Brisbane and Sydney struggled to get crowds of 10,000 back in 1992-3. In 1996, both teams were in the top 4 and were getting 20,000 people at home on average.
The issue is Sydney have been there for 35 years or so and how important have they really become in Sydney? The SCG constantly has green empty seats everywhere and even against good sides it will never sell out. And don't say the GWS Giants cannibalised their support because it's not like it's even really gone down. There is no issue in having a couple of teams in non-footy states but 16 was a perfect number, and token presence in Brisbane and Sydney was all you needed.
You know this how?There is also the idea that sport will become less important with crowds stagnating/going down even as populations boom. Melbourne and Sydney have gone crazy in the last 15 years and have those leagues and clubs really benefited? TV money has kept it going but there's no way in 30 years we'll be seeing GWS ring in 20,000 every week or the Suns selling out a home game.
GarbageThe game just isn't ingrained there and the timing was wrong.
Soccer is massive in the UK and yet it's a secondary, maybe even third sport in Ireland while there's pockets of England and Wales that are absolutely rugby dominated.
Like life, you can mostly succeed when you be yourself.
again, you have to start tradition some where. people say that we should have a Tasmanian side in he afl. there was ne other state that was Neglected in the early 1990s and that state is a rugby league and rugby union area. That is ACT.The issue is Sydney have been there for 35 years or so and how important have they really become in Sydney? The SCG constantly has green empty seats everywhere and even against good sides it will never sell out. And don't say the GWS Giants cannibalised their support because it's not like it's even really gone down. There is no issue in having a couple of teams in non-footy states but 16 was a perfect number, and token presence in Brisbane and Sydney was all you needed.
There is also the idea that sport will become less important with crowds stagnating/going down even as populations boom. Melbourne and Sydney have gone crazy in the last 15 years and have those leagues and clubs really benefited? TV money has kept it going but there's no way in 30 years we'll be seeing GWS ring in 20,000 every week or the Suns selling out a home game.
The game just isn't ingrained there and the timing was wrong.
Soccer is massive in the UK and yet it's a secondary, maybe even third sport in Ireland while there's pockets of England and Wales that are absolutely rugby dominated.
Like life, you can mostly succeed when you be yourself.
I get all that. I also get that a crowd of 14.5k as Spotless for the SF was very disappointing. It was actually less than our H/A game against the Eagles. Says something about the impact of promo tkts probably. Premium seating at Spotless for H/A is $65 and the SF $90 it's not a huge difference.Short term the expansion was a disaster, long term it will eventually come good. Oh and Tradition hs to Start somewhere doesn't it? 50 years from now, your argument is irrelevant.
Again, Tradition has to start somewhere. Freo wee struggling to get crowds of over 15,000 back in the 1990s, they made finals in 2003 and have averaged more than 30,000 ever since.
Your team GWS and Gold coast are long term projects.
both teams are 20-30 year projects.
I remember when Brisbane and Sydney struggled to get crowds of 10,000 back in 1992-3. In 1996, both teams were in the top 4 and were getting 20,000 people at home on average.
Ignore that poster, He is even disliked by fellow freo supporters. Don't waste your time using Tough Man Tony Abbott tactics on that poster.You really dont know much other than what you get on the tv angles do you?
You know this how?
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Not just the raw numbers mate.Ignore that poster, He is even disliked by fellow freo supporters. Don't waste your time using Tough Man Tony Abbott tactics on that poster.
I have seen your teams crowds grown. From averaging 5-6,000 in 2012 to around 10,000 in 2018.
The crowds have grown slowly partly due to some Band wagoners joining with your finals success in 2016 and 2017 and some Natural organic growth. Even if your crowds grow by 500 every year, its still growth.
Its still a dog act that finals tickets get more expensive but that's the AFL.I get all that. I also get that a crowd of 14.5k as Spotless for the SF was very disappointing. It was actually less than our H/A game against the Eagles. Says something about the impact of promo tkts probably. Premium seating at Spotless for H/A is $65 and the SF $90 it's not a huge difference.
There is definitely work to be done. But bullshit about how a mate's dog groomer went there and there was 50 people at the ground are really not helping.
The sensible way to have set up a National competition should have been with a WA, SA , Vic , NT , QLD , NSW, Tas, ACT perhaps.You don't play the village idiot role very well, alternatively ....
You're spelling and grammar is up to s**t, don't go hanging it on me because I'm disliked by maybe the softest, nuffiest supporter group on this website.Ignore that poster, He is even disliked by fellow freo supporters. Don't waste your time using Tough Man Tony Abbott tactics on that poster.
I have seen your teams crowds grown. From averaging 5-6,000 in 2012 to around 10,000 in 2018.
The crowds have grown slowly partly due to some Band wagoners joining with your finals success in 2016 and 2017 and some Natural organic growth. Even if your crowds grow by 500 every year, its still growth.
I care about the bottom line and what happens 20-30 years down the track. Sydney Swans are a good example of a big difference between what happens when a team is good and when it struggles.Not just the raw numbers mate.
In the beginning we were severely outnumbered at every home game.
Much more orange make up the crowds these days.
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Just have to go to any footy park in Western Sydney to see the change.I care about the bottom line and what happens 20-30 years down the track. Sydney Swans are a good example of a big difference between what happens when a team is good and when it struggles.
Swans from 1982-5 was getting between 7-15,000 people a game at the SCG. They face a struggler like the saints or Fitzroy, they got 7-8,000. They get a team like the Magpies, Blues or Essendon they get anything between 12-15,000. This was a period where it was a 12 team comp, 6 games were all played at the same time. If Swans had a home game at the SCG, they have a Sunday arvo game while everyone played Saturday.
Then Came that 1986-7 seasons when they made finals, not surprisingly they were getting crowds of 15-20,000.
Then they dropped off after that. Then you had that 1992-4 period where the swans got 3 wins in 1992, 1 in 1993 and 4 wins in 1994. 8 wins in 3 years. Crowds drop to 6-9,000 a game.
Then at the end of 1994, Swans recruited Tony Lockett and Paul Roos and the team improved so did the crowds. Then the swans made the grand final in 1996 and their crowds rose back up to 20-25,000 again. 10 years later, they played in 2 grand finals in which they won the 2005 flag.
Now you see that the swans have changed a bit from 1982-2006. A lot can happen in 25 years.
I am not so sure about the Queensland clubs. but if you look at GWS, They can do similar things in what the swans are doing now.