Bluemour Discussion Thread VIII

[Jabba73]

trust us to take the wrong plowman...

Not enough love for Plowman

 

[therubbernub]

A couple of points

1. We are a better team without Murphy in it - his departure will not have anywhere near the impact B Gibbs' has had (for a number of reasons including time in the rebuild and type of player), conversely, it will actually be good for our culture; Kade Simpson will/should be shown the exit too.
2. Our first first rounder should absolutely be on the table for the right player this year. This needs to be a pure goal kicking midfielder.

Fire at will.

FMD we have short memeories.

We base our 'Murph as a small forward' projection on his goal kicking form well over 5 years ago. Recent history suggests that he doesn't take responsibility for kicking goals (this may be the captaincy messing with his natural game) and size and injury combine to ensure he'll never be able to apply manic pressure. The best we can hope for from HFF Murph is an upgraded but older Matthew Wright.

I feel MM's gut running is being heavily ignored on here. We are really missing his run atm. But his recent goal kicking ability could well be related to the amount of inside work (to which he is not ideally suited) and his gut running. Many players, MM included, struggle big time to kick goals when heavily fatigued. I have every confidence that MM will find his kickking shoes, once he has the midfield support he needs.
Ps we can add CC (captain Cripps) to the list of players having trouble finding the goals when fatigued.

 

[Navy_Blueblood]

Have it on very good authority (retired CFC player) that when Harry came to the club he wasn’t backward in stating how quickly it was all going to happen for him and even told a player he’d be taking his position pretty quickly.

Fair to say that he’s changed his attitude a bit since the reality was different to the dream, but I think he’s now showing a bit of what concentration and work ethic can do, as well as pulling your head in and doing your bit for the team. I believe he can be a very important established player for us.

Picked that up when he was cheekily twittering Bolts if he was up for Senior selection lol ….

It does make me wonder.... he does come across as a bit of a joker. I wonder if there is a mix of arrogance plus mistaken jokes at play here?

Here is my favourite.... those with truly massive egos would struggle to make this type of self deprecating gag:

 

[thylacine60]

Not enough love for Plowman

which one?

 

[Bluella]

It does make me wonder.... he does come across as a bit of a joker. I wonder if there is a mix of arrogance plus mistaken jokes at play here?

Here is my favourite.... those with truly massive egos would struggle to make this type of self deprecating gag:

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I did like that tweet.

 

[norway blue]

Have it on very good authority (retired CFC player) that when Harry came to the club he wasn’t backward in stating how quickly it was all going to happen for him and even told a player he’d be taking his position pretty quickly.

Fair to say that he’s changed his attitude a bit since the reality was different to the dream, but I think he’s now showing a bit of what concentration and work ethic can do, as well as pulling your head in and doing your bit for the team. I believe he can be a very important established player for us.

Great post


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[Navara79]

which one?

The one that has played one and a half decent games this year?

 

[Stig O'Hara]

I like him too, has what appeals, mongrel. But he is not tearing it up

Yeah but....

He don’t take a backward step, that’s been established since game one.

Couldn’t name one of our boys that has done that.

 

[F_therest]

FMD we have short memeories.


I feel MM's gut running is being heavily ignored on here. We are really missing his run atm. But his recent goal kicking ability could well be related to the amount of inside work (to which he is not ideally suited) and his gut running. Many players, MM included, struggle big time to kick goals when heavily fatigued. I have every confidence that MM will find his kickking shoes, once he has the midfield support he needs.
Ps we can add CC (captain Cripps) to the list of players having trouble finding the goals when fatigued.

I don't want to be rude, but seriously if someone thinks we are a better team without Murphy they don't know much about our team or football in general.

It's just such an outrageously incorrect assertion it boggles my mind.

Murphy in form is an absolute gun.

 

[Coona Blues]

FMD we have short memeories.


I feel MM's gut running is being heavily ignored on here. We are really missing his run atm. But his recent goal kicking ability could well be related to the amount of inside work (to which he is not ideally suited) and his gut running. Many players, MM included, struggle big time to kick goals when heavily fatigued. I have every confidence that MM will find his kickking shoes, once he has the midfield support he needs.
Ps we can add CC (captain Cripps) to the list of players having trouble finding the goals when fatigued.

I can be as critical as most of some feeble tackling attempts and "hot potato" off loads, but he remains an asset for the club.
We need to accept the limitations of his body and perhaps some mental scars, there is a role to play for a special talent.

He needs to finish his career on a wing. The calls to play forward are misguided. Has the wheels and tank to be a spectacular
link man. Ed, Bam Bam, Dow, Fish and a couple of others can help Crippa with the grunt work if we can't snag a FA. Freed up
Murphy can be a big contributor for a couple of years and IMO is more important short term than Simmo and Thomas. Passing
on the captaincy is a no brainer, but he has a role to play providing it is not in the engine room.

 

[Jabba73]

which one?

Our one.

We did get the right Plowman, we are just no good at developing players

 

[Arr0w]

Yeah but....

He don’t take a backward step, that’s been established since game one.

Couldn’t name one of our boys that has done that.

Dow? Fisher? Willo? Despite their stature, never seen them shirk it

Fogarty is already a mature body, most kids in that draft year are 4 odd years behind, size wise

As i said, i like him, a lot, but the commentary on how well he is traveling seems a little perplexing, especially given the quality of players around him

 

[Dadda Dave]

I don't want to be rude, but seriously if someone thinks we are a better team without Murphy they don't know much about our team or football in general.

It's just such an outrageously incorrect assertion it boggles my mind.

Murphy in form is an absolute gun.

I agree , the trouble Murph has had the last 12 months or so it takes him 6-7 games to get match fit but hasn't been able to string games together to do that due to injury imo.
Edit
Also playing a more of an inside role bangs him up a bit more.

 

[Navy_Blueblood]

I can be as critical as most of some feeble tackling attempts and "hot potato" off loads, but he remains an asset for the club.
We need to accept the limitations of his body and perhaps some mental scars, there is a role to play for a special talent.

He needs to finish his career on a wing. The calls to play forward are misguided. Has the wheels and tank to be a spectacular
link man. Ed, Bam Bam, Dow, Fish and a couple of others can help Crippa with the grunt work if we can't snag a FA. Freed up
Murphy can be a big contributor for a couple of years and IMO is more important short term than Simmo and Thomas. Passing
on the captaincy is a no brainer, but he has a role to play providing it is not in the engine room.

Well summarised. Passed his peak but a far more capable player than many on our list, which is painfully short in both senior quality and players that can rotate through the middle (I count ‘wing’ or ‘high flank’ in that classification)

 

[therubbernub]

I don't want to be rude, but seriously if someone thinks we are a better team without Murphy they don't know much about our team or football in general.

It's just such an outrageously incorrect assertion it boggles my mind.

Murphy in form is an absolute gun.

Not sure why you replied to me- we are arguing the same thing

 

[Navy_Blueblood]

Dow? Fisher? Willo? Despite their stature, never seen them shirk it

Fogarty is already a mature body, most kids in that draft year are 4 odd years behind, size wise

As i said, i like him, a lot, but the commentary on how well he is traveling seems a little perplexing, especially given the quality of players around him

Carey’s excitement is borderline erotic.... he must sense an arrogance that he sees in himself perhaps?

 

[F_therest]

I agree , the trouble Murph has had the last 12 months or so it takes him 6-7 games to get match fit but hasn't been able to string games together to do that due to injury imo.
Edit
Also playing a more of an inside role bangs him up a bit more.

Not sure why people keep saying he's banged up either TBH...the guy won our best and fairest last year as our best player and I'm pretty sure played every game.

He suffers a foot injury he's never had before this year and suddenly his body can't go on at afl level in some people's eyes.

 

[therubbernub]

The calls to play forward are misguided. Has the wheels and tank to be a spectacular
link man.

He can do both. HHF

 

[F_therest]

Not sure why you replied to me- we are arguing the same thing

Agreeing with you, talking about people like the post you quoted.

 

[Metalcrusher]

The one that has played one and a half decent games this year?

Aww that's bloody harsh Navara …… plenty other whipping boys other than the plough.

 

[Metalcrusher]

Yeah but....

He don’t take a backward step, that’s been established since game one.

Couldn’t name one of our boys that has done that.

Fisher. Like a bloody Jack Russell.

 

[Accidental genius]

I don't want to be rude, but seriously if someone thinks we are a better team without Murphy they don't know much about our team or football in general.

It's just such an outrageously incorrect assertion it boggles my mind.

Murphy in form is an absolute gun.

He was a gun many years ago.....definitely not the player he once was. Could be useful on wing or elsewhere but no longer as an inside mid.

 

[Dadda Dave]

Not sure why people keep saying he's banged up either TBH...the guy won our best and fairest last year as our best player and I'm pretty sure played every game.

He suffers a foot injury he's never had before this year and suddenly his body can't go on at afl level in some people's eyes.

That comment was that its preventing Murph from getting on the outside as often as he/ we would like.

 

[Metalcrusher]

He was a gun many years ago.....definitely not the player he once was. Could be useful on wing or elsewhere but no longer as an inside mid.

This is the problem … he should never have been played as an inside mid! The guy has elite running and awesome disposal (when given time). Great field vision and highly creative. He was forced from the get go to be an inside mid.

Smurph never had the frame to do this role. CFC caned his body by forcing him to play a role that he "learned". In another team, like Hawthorn in the same era, he would have been a devastating outside mid (IMHO better than Gaff), that hits the scoreboard.

 

[Dadda Dave]

This is the problem … he should never have been played as an inside mid! The guy has elite running and awesome disposal (when given time). Great field vision and highly creative. He was forced from the get go to be an inside mid.

Smurph never had the frame to do this role. CFC caned his body by forcing him to play a role that he "learned". In another team, like Hawthorn in the same era, he would have been a devastating outside mid (IMHO better than Gaff), that hits the scoreboard.

Thats what i was trying to say

Wasn't potting the bloke , he's been/ still a great Carlton man just hasn't played to his strengths due to not having the cattle to allow that.