Bluemour Discussion Thread IX

[Beast__Mode]

Because he's a proven goalkicker, unlike the other 2 (at this point).

Going by current selection policies, kicking goals does not seem to be a relevant criteria.

He’s injury prone, and I think long term we’ll get more benefit from continuing to demonstrate a pathway from NBs to the AFL side than another wash out, which seems to be our ceiling for mature age recruiting these days.

 

[Coona Blues]

Costs us nothing and he has the promise of game time if he stays fit. Definitely has the experience and more nous than other small forward prospects we have. Could replace Wright for a start and LeBois looks like a miss at this stage. Even if he plays VFL he will help the side. No brainer for me. Only 26, played 19 games last year. Maybe he'll get himself right like Ahern for North this year?

Absolutely NO.
Injuries aside, Magpies have been trying to teach him to defend for years. It is his greatest "knock"
we do not do enough across the park now, WTF add a serial downhill skier?

No more flawed players in the right age bracket.

 

[gandaal]

Not sure why we would want Fasolo when we have Garlett and Pickett. If we need another number in that role (or similar), draft Palmer from the NBs.

Almost the perfect troll lol

 

[Wily trout]

Brisbane and most other teams smash us for a number of reasons, but a big one is because we are two one paced. Our mids are slow other than fish. They don’t run both ways and they don’t spread. Breaking games open happen with leg speed or elite kicking. We have neither.

If we're two one paced aren't we then twice as fast?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Absolutely NO.
Injuries aside, Magpies have been trying to teach him to defend for years. It is his greatest "knock"
we do not do enough across the park now, WTF add a serial downhill skier?

No more flawed players in the right age bracket.

Yeah, we are flush with small forwards that can defend (Lamb, Wright), but they are also slow so they end up affecting the opposition infrequently. I'm looking for cost effective ways to find small forwards that can run, find space and kick goals. Wright has done well previously but he looks to be tailing off now.

 

[JustaBattler]

Pickett is a good defending small because he has the burst speed to close gaps and create pressure. this was working a treat in Q1 against Brisbane when there was some kind of forward line pressure. the problem is that the team doesnt have the running capacity to keep up a forward press across the park - teams find it too easy to switch and find 1-2 players in open space on the fat side against Carlton. Players like Graham and Kennedy dont have the leg speed to keep up with HBF ers on the spread from opposition. It takes a certain level of smarts combined with a decent two way running structure to set up forward pressure situations - not just a couple of fast players.

the forward press is about midfield running capacity as much as small forwards - Bolton is sacrificing forward pressure for more bodies between the arcs - his game plan basically cedes the first and second kick out from the forward 50 because he plays his HFF as wings and his wings back.

 

[rog1995]

I would like to know why the club came out and publicly stated we won't be asking for a priority pick.. What was the purpose? Gaining a priority pick would have assisted it's playing list as well as the members morale who pay money to support the club.. a second round selections could have netted us a Jake Lloyd!!
I seriously can't understand the incompetence of the board coming out publicly after round ten. We won't win another game and we're the laughing stock of the AFL.
Well done Carlton....

 

[JustaBattler]

I would like to know why the club came out and publicly stated we won't be asking for a priority pick.. What was the purpose? Gaining a priority pick would have assisted it's playing list as well as the members morale who pay money to support the club.. a second round selections could have netted us a Jake Lloyd!!
I seriously can't understand the incompetence of the board coming out publicly after round ten. We won't win another game and we're the laughing stock of the AFL.
Well done Carlton....

The Club made a statement about its trust in both players drafted and the rebuild process. it is up to the AFL to grant a PP - no need to beg for it. As Judd himself has stated publicly - high draft picks aren't an answer for poor overall management of the past.

 

[rog1995]

The Club made a statement about its trust in both players drafted and the rebuild process. it is up to the AFL to grant a PP - no need to beg for it. As Judd himself has stated publicly - high draft picks aren't an answer for poor overall management of the past.

Incorrect. In order to obtain a priority pick the club must request one. Brisbane did it last year and got one.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

I think if we manage to pick up a few mids, for argument's sake, Wallis, Brodie, Horlin-Smith - then we could afford to lose a tall defender for Lloyd.
A half back line of Lloyd, Marchbank, Docherty would be more than handy.

Agree but also cannot see Swans losing Lloyd, he is very important to them.

 

[rog1995]

The Club made a statement about its trust in both players drafted and the rebuild process. it is up to the AFL to grant a PP - no need to beg for it. As Judd himself has stated publicly - high draft picks aren't an answer for poor overall management of the past.

The club stuffed up. What Judd says it's just dribble. Draft picks is what we need to assist bringing in quality players. The more high draft picks a club gets the higher prospect of having success to assist the rebuild.

 

[Bluezer]

The club stuffed up. What Judd says it's just dribble. Draft picks is what we need to assist bringing in quality players. The more high draft picks a club gets the higher prospect of having success to assist the rebuild.

I think what the club said was correct from a PR perspective, it tells the supporters and players our aim is to still win games. Sadly the football dept can't pull this off at the moment but I'm sure at the end of the year, if the AFL whisper in our ear about a priority pick being available we'd happily apply for it.

 

[Gethelred]

Fasolo probably isn't high on the shopping list or players.
He is a clever player however with good skills and makes opportunities out of not much.

Certainly not a hack but our medical staff would have him cremated in a fortnight.

That's my only issue with the trade.

He played off the back flank for half a season a year or so back, and was better than average, being as fast and as decent by foot when he lowers his eyes as anyone.

 

[JustaBattler]

The club stuffed up. What Judd says it's just dribble. Draft picks is what we need to assist bringing in quality players. The more high draft picks a club gets the higher prospect of having success to assist the rebuild.

Sure you can make that argument- but I agree with the Club to the extent that fixing other things is more important than concentrating on asking for a priority pick.

 

[Coona Blues]

Yeah, we are flush with small forwards that can defend (Lamb, Wright), but they are also slow so they end up affecting the opposition infrequently. I'm looking for cost effective ways to find small forwards that can run, find space and kick goals. Wright has done well previously but he looks to be tailing off now.

I have been an unabashed of Bolts and the regime through this reset, I now find myself passing negative
judgement on the back of our efforts to put together a workable pressure model in our forward line. I was
a great fan of Polson at the draft, with a spectacularly skilled highlights reel, yet now I find myself lamenting
his lack of composure and skills. The kid is busting a gut to do the role earmarked for him, right or wrong. I
have plenty of respect for him, but for the life of me cannot fathom the two year contract, as I couldn't the
three year contract with JGM. Many are now getting behind young Cam despite him butchering almost every
one of the limited possessions he gets.

When Jed Lamb is a cornerstone of our defensive structures, we are in trouble. The one bloke I see on our
list who could be effective in a forward pressure role is Kerridge, who pretty much played it in his limited
appearances for Adelaide. Richmond's manic small forwards such as Castagna do not have spectacular skills,
but do have passable ones. Enter Kerridge, a bull, athletic enough to add some real menace. Sadly he has
been required to prop up the midfield at whichever level he plays, simply because we are so bloody thin on
the ground.

We don't need to recruit high profile types for this, GWS were lacking and added mature aged Giles-Langdon,
with resounding success to name but one. McHenry, Stack and overaged Answerth are some names off the
top of my head from the draft that I see as candidates to immediately affect our forward structure. There are
plenty out there draft, state league etc.

If we add enough pressure, we have enough talent to hit the scoreboard off the back of it.

 

[DangerousD]

And what would Wright be doing in the Richmond F50?

Nothing, he doesn't have the manic pressure the tigs forwards do.

 

[Sector 7G]

I have been an unabashed of Bolts and the regime through this reset, I now find myself passing negative
judgement on the back of our efforts to put together a workable pressure model in our forward line. I was
a great fan of Polson at the draft, with a spectacularly skilled highlights reel, yet now I find myself lamenting
his lack of composure and skills. The kid is busting a gut to do the role earmarked for him, right or wrong. I
have plenty of respect for him, but for the life of me cannot fathom the two year contract, as I couldn't the
three year contract with JGM. Many are now getting behind young Cam despite him butchering almost every
one of the limited possessions he gets.

The good new is Polson had his first effective possession (that I can remember) in hitting up Philips. Lets hope he can replicate it a little more often as he has had some good moments that he has let himself down with poor disposal in recent games.

 

[DangerousD]

Shai Bolton pretty sure will go back to WA.

He might want to, but with only two suitors it could be difficult. Freo don't hold a 2nd, 3rd or even 4th round pick and imo they will get both Mcgoverns. So that might rule them out.

WC not only have two small forwards in Rioli and Ryan already there, they also have a tight cap so they might not have a place for him and even if they did, he might get a much better deal somewhere else.

 

[TheKing101]

The club let the media get to them in regards to the priority pick. You don’t say you don’t want a pick midway through the season. I wonder if they are regretting saying that now? That was very disappointing. We have the worst list any club has had since the Fitzroy days and we don’t need a priority pick apparently? Ok.

 

[DangerousD]

there's no chance GC would do that trade... what about Pick 1 & Crows Pick, for Pick 2 & Ainsworth?

No chance, Ainsworth is a gun and a top 5 draft pick, GC would want a similar return if he wanted out, he is also contracted.

 

[Thehurdle]

I would like to know why the club came out and publicly stated we won't be asking for a priority pick.. What was the purpose? Gaining a priority pick would have assisted it's playing list as well as the members morale who pay money to support the club.. a second round selections could have netted us a Jake Lloyd!!
I seriously can't understand the incompetence of the board coming out publicly after round ten. We won't win another game and we're the laughing stock of the AFL.
Well done Carlton....

Incorrect. Rule 19.2 does NOT require the Club to apply for a priority pick.

Well done indeed Carlton, played the PR aspect well, leaving the AFL to perform it's role taking into account the recommendation of the AFL Executive.

Rule 19.2 fyi:
http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/AFL Rules - 2015.pdf

19.2 Special Assistance (a) At the conclusion of the Home and Away Matches in each Football Year, the Commission may determine in its absolute discretion that a Club is entitled to one or more priority selections at the next occurring National Draft Selection Meeting. Such right to one or more priority draft selections shall be exercisable during the Draft as directed by the Commission. (b) The Commission will exercise its discretion under this Rule 19 only in exceptional circumstances taking into account a recommendation from the AFL Executive, the recent on field performance of a Club and any other matter the Commission in its absolute discretion regards relevant.

 

[cookie monster]

He could come to us and have an “interrupted pre season”.

And spend the season as 1-2 weeks

 

[rog1995]

The club let the media get to them in regards to the priority pick. You don’t say you don’t want a pick midway through the season. I wonder if they are regretting saying that now? That was very disappointing. We have the worst list any club has had since the Fitzroy days and we don’t need a priority pick apparently? Ok.

Yep exactly. This points to an complete incompetence on behalf of the board. Imagine the outcry if we actually were to get one now after stating we don't require one??. Club is being run by a bunch of amateurs.

 

[rog1995]

Incorrect. Rule 19.2 does NOT require the Club to apply for a priority pick.

Well done indeed Carlton, played the PR aspect well, leaving the AFL to perform it's role taking into account the recommendation of the AFL Executive.

Rule 19.2 fyi:
http://s.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/AFL Rules - 2015.pdf

19.2 Special Assistance (a) At the conclusion of the Home and Away Matches in each Football Year, the Commission may determine in its absolute discretion that a Club is entitled to one or more priority selections at the next occurring National Draft Selection Meeting. Such right to one or more priority draft selections shall be exercisable during the Draft as directed by the Commission. (b) The Commission will exercise its discretion under this Rule 19 only in exceptional circumstances taking into account a recommendation from the AFL Executive, the recent on field performance of a Club and any other matter the Commission in its absolute discretion regards relevant.

I'm fairly confident the AFL will not just grant a priority pick to us.

 

[DangerousD]

Agree but also cannot see Swans losing Lloyd, he is very important to them.

So important that the deals they have offered him have been knocked back twice.
If the Swans are in to Moore as reported, they will need a lot more picks as Blakey will go top 10 too.