Bluemour Discussion Thread IX

[gab213]

That's true but how many years have both Hardwick & Buckley been in the top job for!? I would argue, particularly in Richmond's case, that it is more a reflection of well planned list management and staying the course then the assistants that surround the coach.

Yes, Barker probably needs to coach in a different environment next season but I don't believe it's fair in using him as the scapegoat. By all reports he has a wonderful repore with the players in particular Murphy who has been a huge endorsement of him. Fact is, our current problems stem from the Malthouse / Shane Rogers era where poor drafting, list management and development were key in that period to secure success for today.

I'm backing Bolton & SOS in. I'm staying the course.

Poor drafting,etc started way before the Malthouse era.

 

[Arr0w]

Wouldn't rate Mitchell who was a Premiership Captain, 4xPremiership player, 3x All Australian, 5x BnF, 1x Brownlow Medal winner to be setting standards? Can I ask why?

It is not his football prowess.

But while on the subject, you know as well as i do, great players don't always make great coaches

 

[passmark]

Think you’ve all missed the point Kk has made. As a coach who has taken over multiple teams who finished last the year before and taken them to finals (one winning) in the space of only one season this kind of thing is the first change I make.

It’s not about sports science. It’s not about fitness. It’s about attitude. Hands on knees is the easy option. If you’ve done the hard yards. Stand tall. Be proud and help your mates. It’s not good enough to put your hands on your knees. Have seen first hand how this type of ideology can seriously shift attitudes and being teams together. You want players to be subconsciously ok with taking the hard option. Too many take the easy option. Without even realising. Too many excuse them for it.


From the weekend I saw plenty of it from Carlton players. None from the lions. I saw plenty of Carlton players leaving their mates one out. Letting their mates get pushed around. No one flew the flag. I don’t give a **** if you don’t like sam Mitchell this is what he’d help to stamp the **** out and it’s a ******* cancer at our club.

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind Bolts needs help in lifting standards. It's not just the playing group. High performing individuals drive change and demand excellence and, for the most part, people ****ing hate it. But at the end almost everyone improves, even those people who leave generally go on to realise they need to work harder.

The real problem is I don't think Mitchell would come to Carlton, why the **** would he?. Backward, insular and has a proud history of internal issues for 20 years. I believe most Carlton supporters think we're up there with Hawthorn in terms of professionalism, we may as well be in different codes. Let alone the sort of set up you might find at the WCE.

The best thing about getting Mitchell would be that, (unlike 95% of other assistants) if the club was not operating like a professional outfit Mitchell would have the credibility to push back against the crap admin we've displayed for decades. Because if he left questions would be asked.

Get Mitchell and Hickmott from WCE. That is all.

 

[Foucault1989]

It has nothing to do with power posing. It’s just placing your hands behind your head or on your hips when you’re tired, not on your knees. I’m really not sure why this is so controversial

It's not. ..dont listen to them it makes perfect sense

 

[Mr_Plow]

What do you know? Thy being a smartass to a relatively new poster sharing his thoughts that, really, aren't that outrageous.

Standing up straight and opening your chest when you're tired allows more oxygen to get in, it's also perceived as better body language - this is common knowledge isn't it? Played footy my entire life and especially during pre-season it was always encouraged to put hands on head as opposed to hands on knees after a big running stint. Same as half time of games etc.

Anyway I have no idea why the **** I am talking about this.

A couple of years ago my anatomy professor said that hunching over with hands on knees to take in those big breaths recruits more of our accessory muscles of respiration (lats, abs), utilises the diaphragm more effectively and is thus overall more effective in terms of recovery and lowering the heart rate faster.

It's probably an evolutionary mechanism that we as humans just do instinctively because it works.

Although, I can understand in AFL spheres the negative perception toward that mode of recovery; it doesn't reflect in-game situations, players don't have the opportunity to be stationary and recover, they're constantly on the move.

I'm ignoring the psychological aspect here.

 

[BIGGUS 64]

Wouldn't rate Mitchell who was a Premiership Captain, 4xPremiership player, 3x All Australian, 5x BnF, 1x Brownlow Medal winner to be setting standards? Can I ask why?

It's the same as saying you wouldn't rate Juddy. Except that Juddy doesn't have as many premierships...

 

[rp84]

A couple of years ago my anatomy professor said that hunching over with hands on knees to take in those big breaths recruits more of our accessory muscles of respiration (lats, abs), utilises the diaphragm more effectively and is thus overall more effective in terms of recovery and lowering the heart rate faster.

It's probably an evolutionary mechanism that we as humans just do instinctively because it works.

Although, I can understand in AFL spheres the negative perception toward that mode of recovery; it doesn't reflect in-game situations, players don't have the opportunity to be stationary and recover, they're constantly on the move.

I'm ignoring the psychological aspect here.

This cannot be true. Bending over would adversely affect rib cage and lung mechanics.

 

[Mr_Plow]

This cannot be true. Bending over would adversely affect rib cage and lung mechanics.

Bending over using the thoracic spine will compress the thorax/rib cage, yes.

But flex at the pelvis/lumbar spine junction whilst maintaining lumbar curvature (lordosis), maybe even bend the knees slightly, it helps.

Basically: bend at the hips but stay mostly upright (60 degrees or so).

There's also the added aspect of increasing venous blood return to the heart through flexing lower body muscles whilst bent that will also aid recovery.

 

[chunkylover53]

Okay imagine at the end of a round of boxing one fighter stops in his tracks and bends over to suck in air while the other one stands up straight and walks to his corner.

 

[Dramoth]

And missed out on two straight senior coaching gigs.

He's missed out on more than 2 straight senior coaching gigs.

 

[Nori]

It has nothing to do with power posing. It’s just placing your hands behind your head or on your hips when you’re tired, not on your knees. I’m really not sure why this is so controversial

That's right. Hands on knees does send a message that you're spent. Coaches don't allow it a training because they don't want to see it in games.

 

[All Australian]

I have taken Carlton to 3 premierships in a row playing Xbox. Liam Jones won 3 Coleman’s and 2 Brownlows. Coaching ain’t hard people. Although I wasn’t able to turn Graham’s career around. No one can.

 

[blue healer]

It is not his football prowess.

But while on the subject, you know as well as i do, great players don't always make great coaches

But players who aren't naturally gifted often do.

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

But players who aren't naturally gifted often do.

Value of working hard for absolutely everything is ingrained in them.

 

[slashin_velvet]

I have taken Carlton to 3 premierships in a row playing Xbox. Liam Jones won 3 Coleman’s and 2 Brownlows. Coaching ain’t hard people. Although I wasn’t able to turn Graham’s career around. No one can.

How do you go against St Kilda?
What are you up to this Friday evening?

 

[95blues]

Its not controversial - you've just been caught in the cross fire of the lighter side of BF Carlton..

The side thats only available consequence free to certain posters.

 

[reubsblues]

Bluemours anyone

 

[thylacine60]

I have taken Carlton to 3 premierships in a row playing Xbox. Liam Jones won 3 Coleman’s and 2 Brownlows. Coaching ain’t hard people. Although I wasn’t able to turn Graham’s career around. No one can.

finally some sense - were you sitting up straight, AA, or crouched forward when playing?

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I have taken Carlton to 3 premierships in a row playing Xbox. Liam Jones won 3 Coleman’s and 2 Brownlows. Coaching ain’t hard people. Although I wasn’t able to turn Graham’s career around. No one can.

I think they'll turn Grahams career around - as in, 'Nick - turn around, there's the door"

 

[95blues]

It has nothing to do with power posing. It’s just placing your hands behind your head or on your hips when you’re tired, not on your knees. I’m really not sure why this is so controversial

Got torn to pieces by Mark Browning way back in 98 for taking a breather like that.

All the way up to 25 when i stopped playing it was a rule at every club whether at training or games never to bend over hands on knees for a breather.

Insert inevitable comments here :

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Got torn to pieces by Mark Browning way back in 98 for taking a breather like that.

All the way up to 25 when i stopped playing it was a rule at every club whether at training or games never to bend over hands on knees for a breather.

Insert inevitable comments here :

What if you are hocking a loogie ??

 

[Mr_Plow]

What if you are hocking a loogie ??

What if you have no hands??

 

[bludrew79]

Rumour has it.. there is a software glitch in Carlton's delisting system...
Anyone whose surname starts with "G" cannot be selected... box is greyed out!?
Can only select 'trade', 'retire' or 'recontract'...

Can anyone confirm?

 

[Nori]

I have taken Carlton to 3 premierships in a row playing Xbox. Liam Jones won 3 Coleman’s and 2 Brownlows. Coaching ain’t hard people. Although I wasn’t able to turn Graham’s career around. No one can.

I'm guessing you would have been playing the 'Insane' level of difficulty? Props!!!

 

[gandaal]

how many flags did his team win?

Mitch Morton > Robert Harvey