Bluemour Discussion Thread IX

[Broadside]

Mitch Morton > Robert Harvey

Sydney culture, performance, flags won and body language > St Kilda

 

[Arr0w]

But players who aren't naturally gifted often do.

The best coaches are GENERALLY, defensive negating midfielders or backmen

 

[Gethelred]

Sydney culture, performance, flags won and body language > St Kilda

First three, sure.

The last one? I'm still suuuuuper dubious. There's plenty of blokes whose body language has been absolutely shithouse who've been in flag sides through the years.

 

[Jabba73]

First three, sure.

The last one? I'm still suuuuuper dubious. There's plenty of blokes whose body language has been absolutely shithouse who've been in flag sides through the years.

Jack Riewoldt is glad you can remember he showed up at the GF last season.

 

[Gethelred]

The best coaches are GENERALLY, defensive negating midfielders or backmen

Blokes who did shit by instinct didn't know why they were good. The skills don't translate.

Small defenders get a good feel for tactics because they're immediately thrown into needing to understand what the best forward pockets will do, the positions they'll want to get to, and what not to do. Don't kick across goals, don't let your man get goalside, and don't ever let him get loose from you.

Defensive mids do exactly the same thing, just they're relied upon to understand even more; how and when to leave their man, when to go the ball or the man, where to stand based on the ruck/midfielder distribution and where your man is standing, etc.

The best players need to know the game instinctively. Defensive players need to understand the game and know where to be almost before the good players get there. The first one is the kind of skill you kill for in a player. The second skill set is a good primer into becoming a coach.

 

[Gethelred]

Jack Riewoldt is glad you can remember he showed up at the GF last season.

Almost mentioned him by name, and he's hardly the only one in that side with shithouse body language.

 

[Arr0w]

Blokes who did shit by instinct didn't know why they were good. The skills don't translate.

Small defenders get a good feel for tactics because they're immediately thrown into needing to understand what the best forward pockets will do, the positions they'll want to get to, and what not to do. Don't kick across goals, don't let your man get goalside, and don't ever let him get loose from you.

Defensive mids do exactly the same thing, just they're relied upon to understand even more; how and when to leave their man, when to go the ball or the man, where to stand based on the ruck/midfielder distribution and where your man is standing, etc.

The best players need to know the game instinctively. Defensive players need to understand the game and know where to be almost before the good players get there. The first one is the kind of skill you kill for in a player. The second skill set is a good primer into becoming a coach.

Spot on

The only forwards/attacking players that i can think of are Blight(strange cat) Mathews and Horse, the latter 2 had a hard edge

Sure i have missed some

 

[CJMB]

Rumour has it.. there is a software glitch in Carlton's delisting system...
Anyone whose surname starts with "G" cannot be selected... box is greyed out!?
Can only select 'trade', 'retire' or 'recontract'...

Can anyone confirm?

Cameron Giles, Billy Gowers & Andrew Gallucci disagree.

 

[BJuddy]

Spot on

The only forwards/attacking players that i can think of are Blight(strange cat) Mathews and Horse, the latter 2 had a hard edge

Sure i have missed some

Sumich pretty highly rated too

 

[Prem17]

Spot on

The only forwards/attacking players that i can think of are Blight(strange cat) Mathews and Horse, the latter 2 had a hard edge

Sure i have missed some

Don't forget that as good a forward as Longmire was, he really made his career at Fullback. Bloody good one at that.

 

[Psychochook]

Think you’ve all missed the point Kk has made. As a coach who has taken over multiple teams who finished last the year before and taken them to finals (one winning) in the space of only one season this kind of thing is the first change I make.

It’s not about sports science. It’s not about fitness. It’s about attitude. Hands on knees is the easy option. If you’ve done the hard yards. Stand tall. Be proud and help your mates. It’s not good enough to put your hands on your knees. Have seen first hand how this type of ideology can seriously shift attitudes and being teams together. You want players to be subconsciously ok with taking the hard option. Too many take the easy option. Without even realising. Too many excuse them for it.


From the weekend I saw plenty of it from Carlton players. None from the lions. I saw plenty of Carlton players leaving their mates one out. Letting their mates get pushed around. No one flew the flag. I don’t give a **** if you don’t like sam Mitchell this is what he’d help to stamp the **** out and it’s a ******* cancer at our club.

We'll said.

Body language is massive and it's always the small changes, the ones that are easily implemented and controlled that can be the catalyst for bigger changes.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

Sam Mitchell

Blake Caracella

Nigel Lappin

Nathan Bassett

 

[HBF]

The best coaches are GENERALLY, defensive negating midfielders or backmen

There are some obvious exceptions such as Leigh Matthews, but I do agree.

 

[thylacine60]

What if you have no hands??

or were born with your brain on the outside of your head?

 

[HBF]

Sam Mitchell

Blake Caracella

Nigel Lappin

Nathan Bassett

Caracella would be a huge get. Very highly regarded

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Sam Mitchell

Blake Caracella

Nigel Lappin

Nathan Bassett

Marty Mattner.

What are we talking about btw?

 

[Accidental genius]

There's absolutely no doubt in my mind Bolts needs help in lifting standards. It's not just the playing group. High performing individuals drive change and demand excellence and, for the most part, people ******* hate it. But at the end almost everyone improves, even those people who leave generally go on to realise they need to work harder.

The real problem is I don't think Mitchell would come to Carlton, why the **** would he?. Backward, insular and has a proud history of internal issues for 20 years. I believe most Carlton supporters think we're up there with Hawthorn in terms of professionalism, we may as well be in different codes. Let alone the sort of set up you might find at the WCE.

The best thing about getting Mitchell would be that, (unlike 95% of other assistants) if the club was not operating like a professional outfit Mitchell would have the credibility to push back against the crap admin we've displayed for decades. Because if he left questions would be asked.

Get Mitchell and Hickmott from WCE. That is all.

Any chance you could elaborate on how our club can become more professional? What structural changes (if any) do you think are required and what sort of people/backgrounds do you think we need to target for some of the roles? I’m genuinely interested in your thoughts.

 

[Accidental genius]

That's right. Hands on knees does send a message that you're spent. Coaches don't allow it a training because they don't want to see it in games.

Probably a bit like yawning whilst in the classroom..teachers generally don’t like that either as I found out on many occasions..

 

[Accidental genius]

What if you have no hands??

No knees would be more challenging..

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Marty Mattner.

What are we talking about btw?

Saw a talk not long ago from Nigel Lappin. Very impressive and talked about how competitive the Brisbane players were and how this drove them.

We could use some competitiveness at Carlton at the moment.

 

[ESKIE]

Hasn’t this thread gone up a notch, thanks King Karl !

 

[Arr0w]

Sumich pretty highly rated too

Hasn't got a senior gig yet, not sure he will either

 

[Blue Flame]

Apologies King Karl I was commenting on psychological benefits of not appearing hunched over, before considering anything else (I'm a psychologist so I jumped on it). No intention to belittle your message - I've been hoping we could get someone like Mitchell as well!

 

[Styxx]

Marty Mattner.

What are we talking about btw?

I believe senior assisstant coach replacements as Barker is rumored to be grtting the chop.

 

[cookie monster]

News in:

I've heard from a couple of sources now that we are in Mark LeCras ear to come and help in a hodge-type situation, for our young forwards.

And Gubby Allan is a main target for football GM