Past #50: Ben Brown - Traded to Melbourne with 2020 #28 + 2021 R4 for 2020 #26 #33 + 2021 R4(Bris) - 130 gms / 287 gls - thanks Ben

[cznsnowy91]

No chance he's All Australian. Higgins will miss too. Gaff and Polec are our best chances.

Joke if Higgins isn't AA, he will probably finish top 5 in the brownlow.

 

[jclei]

Has Franklin been better? Brown has been the most consistent of the lot.

Its a tough one but i think Franklin changes a game more than Brown. Brown is definitely more consistent this year (especially early) but i still sort of feel like his second half of the season really ruined his chances of AA.

 

[shintemaster]

Its a tough one but i think Franklin changes a game more than Brown. Brown is definitely more consistent this year (especially early) but i still sort of feel like his second half of the season really ruined his chances of AA.

I didn't think Franklin did much of anything until the last 3rd of the season... Maybe it's just the games I watched.

 

[King Corey]

I love Ben Brown but he's not in Buddy's stratosphere as yet for turning games. Simply put, even a half fit Buddy can bob up an tear a side apart even now.

 

[Val Keating]

I love Ben Brown but he's not in Buddy's stratosphere as yet for turning games. Simply put, even a half fit Buddy can bob up an tear a side apart even now.

No doubt about that. All Australian isn’t about that though, it’s about who had the better year.

 

[jclei]

BBB is competing for the FF spot only IMO and unfortunately I think Riewoldt is a lock for it. I cant see him being considered for CHF

 

[Val Keating]

giantroo just posted this in the media thread

 

[DarkPhoenix]

I love Ben Brown but he's not in Buddy's stratosphere as yet for turning games. Simply put, even a half fit Buddy can bob up an tear a side apart even now.

It's kind of hard to compare tall forwards to Buddy though, he's an absolute freak.

 

[Event Horizon]

giantroo just posted this in the media thread

I must say I was surprised to see this stat at first glance. Didn’t feel he has had quite as many 4+ goal games.

On that evidence he could well warrant an AA spot.


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[tazaa]

I love Ben Brown but he's not in Buddy's stratosphere as yet for turning games. Simply put, even a half fit Buddy can bob up an tear a side apart even now.

he did against us
And in every game hes played the past month
He single handedly dragged Sydney into finals at our expense

 

[King Corey]

giantroo just posted this in the media thread

4 goals is a bit of an arbitrary measure to suit us though. Shift the assessment up or down a goal and he might not come out top.

 

[Val Keating]

4 goals is a bit of an arbitrary measure to suit us though. Shift the assessment up or down a goal and he might not come out top.

It shows he’s been the most consistent of the players at the top of the goal kicking. Not relying on a couple of big bags like Riewoldt or Hawkins

 

[Val Keating]

He’s got no hope if even North supporters are questioning if he should be AA.

 

[Heaps of fun]

He’s got no hope if even North supporters are questioning if he should be AA.

Finishing the year off quietly has done the most damage imo. Massive recency bias in these media awards.

 

[Colbys Boots]

Its a tough one but i think Franklin changes a game more than Brown. Brown is definitely more consistent this year (especially early) but i still sort of feel like his second half of the season really ruined his chances of AA.

Sorry but that argument is utter bullshit. You change a game by doing what? Kicking goals. Ben Brown did that more than Franklin and Hawkins this year. There are some arguing for the inclusion of the key forwards who kicked the 1st, 3rd and 4th most goals this year but leaving out the second best key forward. If there are three spots for key forwards, Ben Brown gets in. If there are two spots for key forwards, Ben Brown gets in. If there is only one spot for a key forward, fair enough, Jack Riewoldt gets it.

 

[darko]

Jack Reiwoldt, Ben Brown and Tom Hawkins should be locks in AA.

 

[Val Keating]

Finishing the year off quietly has done the most damage imo. Massive recency bias in these media awards.

Which is weird considering they selected the AA team a week before the season finished.

 

[Horizons_00]

Is it just me but after the bye was he concentrating more on getting a free kick rather than playing his natural game? Like crashing the packs and using his glove like hands to dominate in the air?

He never used to give a s**t before. I know he is getting almost triple teamed week to week but another pre season under his belt holy s**t he’s going to rip apart games

 

[Orange Peanut]

Needs to give veganism the arse

Or at least an arse substitute, with similar protein levels.

 

[FlyHigh18]

I love Ben Brown but he's not in Buddy's stratosphere as yet for turning games. Simply put, even a half fit Buddy can bob up an tear a side apart even now.

Being able to do it and consistently doing it at will are two different things.

I can kick a goal from 60m... every now and again.

 

[Engimal v3]

Sorry but that argument is utter bullshit. You change a game by doing what? Kicking goals. Ben Brown did that more than Franklin and Hawkins this year. There are some arguing for the inclusion of the key forwards who kicked the 1st, 3rd and 4th most goals this year but leaving out the second best key forward. If there are three spots for key forwards, Ben Brown gets in. If there are two spots for key forwards, Ben Brown gets in. If there is only one spot for a key forward, fair enough, Jack Riewoldt gets it.

I love Brown, but if you compare his averages to Hawkins or Buddy, it doesn't look very good. Per game, kicked less than Riewoldt, Hawkins and Buddy. Even Tom MacDonald kicked more (although he's become quite a player).

 

[jclei]

Sorry but that argument is utter bullshit. You change a game by doing what? Kicking goals. Ben Brown did that more than Franklin and Hawkins this year. There are some arguing for the inclusion of the key forwards who kicked the 1st, 3rd and 4th most goals this year but leaving out the second best key forward. If there are three spots for key forwards, Ben Brown gets in. If there are two spots for key forwards, Ben Brown gets in. If there is only one spot for a key forward, fair enough, Jack Riewoldt gets it.

Its never as simple as that and we all know it. You cant just pick the players who kicked the most goals because its just not an accurate reflection of the season. When Sydney were about to crash out of the finals race along comes Franklin who absolutely dominates and almost single handedly turned the next 4 games on their head to get them in a final game for a 4th placed finish.

Franklin played 18 games and Brown 22. Only 21 games are counted for AA selection.

Im not really one to use stats as the sole reason someone has had a better season than the next person but these are pretty obvious



Brown is not in the frame for CHF IMO - only FF and based on the fact Riewoldt had a better year - he will get in over Brown and CHF will be decided between Franklin and Hawkins

 

[TennisPlayerAndy]

Browns problem is he did his best work in the first half of the year.

To be AA, you have to do that in he second half of the year.

The same thing happened to LT in the year he kicked 50 goals.

 

[Val Keating]

Its never as simple as that and we all know it. You cant just pick the players who kicked the most goals because its just not an accurate reflection of the season. When Sydney were about to crash out of the finals race along comes Franklin who absolutely dominates and almost single handedly turned the next 4 games on their head to get them in a final game for a 4th placed finish.

Franklin played 18 games and Brown 22. Only 21 games are counted for AA selection.

Im not really one to use stats as the sole reason someone has had a better season than the next person but these are pretty obvious

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Brown is not in the frame for CHF IMO - only FF and based on the fact Riewoldt had a better year - he will get in over Brown and CHF will be decided between Franklin and Hawkins

Yet we’re about to see an All Australian team with both Gawn & Grundy so it negates the idea that the AA team is based on an actual side to play a game. No doubt we’ll see midfielders on the flanks too

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Sorry but that argument is utter bullshit. You change a game by doing what? Kicking goals. Ben Brown did that more than Franklin and Hawkins this year. There are some arguing for the inclusion of the key forwards who kicked the 1st, 3rd and 4th most goals this year but leaving out the second best key forward. If there are three spots for key forwards, Ben Brown gets in. If there are two spots for key forwards, Ben Brown gets in. If there is only one spot for a key forward, fair enough, Jack Riewoldt gets it.

If you don't have a feel for how Buddy changes games single-handedly, I feel sorry for you. Buddy running amok is one of the best things in football.

PS - I don't think that's the appropriate judgement criterion for AA. Coleman Medal is appropriate for picking the full forward, so Jack is a lock, and deservedly so.