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Autopsy Swans vs GWS Elimination Final
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Next year we get back
Reid
Mills
Mellican
Naismith
add
Blakey
Another glut of games into
Ronke
McCartin
Papley
Hayward
Florent
We lose
Lloyd?
Hanners
Tippett coin.
Horse?????
Should be ok
Reid
Mills
Mellican
Naismith
add
Blakey
Another glut of games into
Ronke
McCartin
Papley
Hayward
Florent
We lose
Lloyd?
Hanners
Tippett coin.
Horse?????
Should be ok
The King!
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We didn’t have many convincing wins really
Could of dropped norf dogs at etihad
Pies at scg
caesar88
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Exactly. Won't lie I thought all those unconvincing and ugly and hard-fought wins would harden us up come finals time (which is why I thought we'd win the flag for a while there
) Seems like they just had the opposite effect and sapped us of any sort of confidence or ability
Oh well whatever on to next year. More of the same though unless changes are made at the top imo.
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Exactly. Won't lie I thought all those unconvincing and ugly and hard-fought wins would harden us up come finals time (which is why I thought we'd win the flag for a while there
Seems like they just had the opposite effect and sapped us of any sort of confidence or ability
We got to second without really getting going and was hoping we would use that as a springboard , but we got worse
Whatever happens during the bye seems to derail our season.
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2014 was a shocker I concede. 2016 umpiring, Buddy going down early, Hannebery late, McVeigh and Mills underdone. Not a failure of coaching imo, things just didn’t go our way.
Saying that in 2016 draft we took Florent and Hayward plus Ronke (drafted as a mid). Last year Ling and Stoddart. All quick potential runners / midfielders (Hayward could be seen as forward but many saw him as a potential mid).
You can’t flick a switch unless we have salary cap room to bring players in. We didn’t. So we went the long road. They are still on that road and it is unfair on those players to be the difference so early in their careers.
Unfortunately their rise has coincided with the unexpected decline of Hannebery and even Jack which has put more pressure on Kennedy.
You can’t build a gameplan around those new players until they are ready for that responsibly and certainly up until this point, they aren’t ready for that.
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The issues in 2016 was we got smashed week 1 and probably got lucky we beat didn’t face gws again
I don’t think horse let the young midfielders have a go enough
Went back to the same old time and time again
Gifted a lot of games to jack and hanners at times
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We are going to be the reverse Geelong next year. Plenty of talent at either end but nothing in between where it counts the most.
Think the club's been too behind the eight-ball in recent times. We had a dominant midfield group that lacked outside pace and class. Then it takes two grand final losses to finally start bringing in some of that class (back-to-back years bringing in Florent, Stoddart, Ling, Hayward types.)
Now we have a midfield group struggling with inside contested ball and if speculation is true we seem to be focusing on on key forwards and key defenders.
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Reid almost isn’t apart of the future, he just doesn’t play enough
He plays it’s a bonus
He plays it’s a bonus
Its not a personnel issue Mase you should still be able to score more then 30 points with the team we had out there surely.
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Stand up comedian ? Please !
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I have to say I never thought Darcy Moore was the answer at any stage in 2018
TheMase
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2015 we brought in Leonardis who was an outside type just turned out to be a dud. Dawson was taken in 2015. Mills as well who was originally an inside mid. Murray was an outside flanker. COR is still on list.
2014 Hiscox and Newman. Haven’t really worked out.
Just don’t think we got it right with a few. Fortunately they have started to get it right.
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We went into today's game without Smith, Melican, Mills, Naismith, Reid, Tippett, Rohan, AJ, and with Franklin looking very unfit.
We had no real marking targets and far too many young inexperienced players who didn't perform as well as they've played during the season.
If you look at our team you have Franklin, Parker who are at the top level of players, Kennedy/Rampe have slipped back to probably a B level and most of the others are C Grade players.
We had no real marking targets and far too many young inexperienced players who didn't perform as well as they've played during the season.
If you look at our team you have Franklin, Parker who are at the top level of players, Kennedy/Rampe have slipped back to probably a B level and most of the others are C Grade players.
TheMase
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I agree with that, it isn’t just personnel.
But I also believe it is a number of factors not “just Horse”.
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Yep, but it's too little too late because now there's holes in the list, too big to cover up and do well in finals like we were able to in 2014 and 2016. The holes are exposed now.
In fairness no club is perfect and hindsight is 20/20, but some were saying these things at the time when people like myself thought everything was rosy.
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Debacle of a game, there’s no sugarcoating that.
It was a comprehensive anihilation in the midfield once again which is becoming quite a pattern in our finals defeats, this time against a team who had their best mid injured for the most part. It’s an area we desperately need to rejuvenate over the off season because Jack is on his last legs, Hanners has been regressing, JPK won’t be around forever. Parker and Heeney are good but we don’t have the depth on the inside that we use to.
The forward line was invisible today but I don’t think they had much of a chance with the heavy territorial advantage the giants had all game, combined with the horrendous delivery.
At half time we needed Buddy to turn it on to get back into it. But by the looks of it he had some serious fitness issues, the telltale sign being that we chose to stick him in the goal square with Davis who had been winning the one on ones all game. Usually when Bud’s quiet he’d get right up the ground, lead through the corridor, mark a kick out of defense in middle of the ground and then set something up for us. None of that today.
I can’t really discern at this point what our plan is going into the forward line. So often we bomb it high and long to a pack of 6-8 players and GWS had the numbers at ground level. This method would make sense if we actually had strong marking forwards, but our best overhead mark has been injured all year. Other times we seemingly just blindly kicked it long to the GWS spare. It’s been an issue with all our losses for the past few years, so lot for the coaches to rectify.
It’s very different to our defense which seems very organised and the defenders are obviously working to a plan. Whereas the mids and forward don’t seem to be on the same page with kicks not going to advantage and blind long bombs to contests.
The most disappointing part still is that we’ve been smashed twice now in finals by that those absolute flogs at GWS. Not what we want against our direct geographical rivals.
It was a comprehensive anihilation in the midfield once again which is becoming quite a pattern in our finals defeats, this time against a team who had their best mid injured for the most part. It’s an area we desperately need to rejuvenate over the off season because Jack is on his last legs, Hanners has been regressing, JPK won’t be around forever. Parker and Heeney are good but we don’t have the depth on the inside that we use to.
The forward line was invisible today but I don’t think they had much of a chance with the heavy territorial advantage the giants had all game, combined with the horrendous delivery.
At half time we needed Buddy to turn it on to get back into it. But by the looks of it he had some serious fitness issues, the telltale sign being that we chose to stick him in the goal square with Davis who had been winning the one on ones all game. Usually when Bud’s quiet he’d get right up the ground, lead through the corridor, mark a kick out of defense in middle of the ground and then set something up for us. None of that today.
I can’t really discern at this point what our plan is going into the forward line. So often we bomb it high and long to a pack of 6-8 players and GWS had the numbers at ground level. This method would make sense if we actually had strong marking forwards, but our best overhead mark has been injured all year. Other times we seemingly just blindly kicked it long to the GWS spare. It’s been an issue with all our losses for the past few years, so lot for the coaches to rectify.
It’s very different to our defense which seems very organised and the defenders are obviously working to a plan. Whereas the mids and forward don’t seem to be on the same page with kicks not going to advantage and blind long bombs to contests.
The most disappointing part still is that we’ve been smashed twice now in finals by that those absolute flogs at GWS. Not what we want against our direct geographical rivals.
