Prediction 2018 trade hypothetical thread

[HTPunter]

Freo’s first round pick (5) for Dyson Heppell?

If the Dockers want 5 and 22 for Neale, then they'd be giving up 5 and 22 for Heppell I imagine in this hypothetical.

 

[Mego Red]

You think it's not fair because you see Thomas as the steak knives. He's not, as I mentioned before, underrated by everyone outside of Collingwood

Then Collingwood should trade for him.

Oh, wait ...

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Apparently Gold Coast like the King brothers. Could get them a little further down than picks 2 and 3. Fremantle also have too few middle round draft picks this year. If Neale gets traded for picks 5 and 23, would this interest all parties?

Gold Coast -
Pick 5 (Bailey Smith)
Pick 6 (Ben King)
Pick 77 (Academy Selection)
To go with Max King at 3

Fremantle -
Pick 2 (Jack Lukosius)
Pick 17 [from West Coast] (Ian Hill)
Pick 30 [from Geelong] (Sydney Stack)
Pick 42 [from Fremantle] (Dillon O'Reilly)
To go with Jordan Clark at 23

For Gold Coast, they get the replacements for Lynch and May as well as a top midfielder. For Fremantle, they get the best KPF in the draft, most of the good WA talent to assist their midfield and the son of Stephen O'Reilly..

 

[Scotty_222]

Apparently Gold Coast like the King brothers. Could get them a little further down than picks 2 and 3. Fremantle also have too few middle round draft picks this year. If Neale gets traded for picks 5 and 23, would this interest all parties?

Gold Coast -
Pick 5 (Bailey Smith)
Pick 6 (Ben King)
Pick 77 (Academy Selection)
To go with Max King at 3

Fremantle -
Pick 2 (Jack Lukosius)
Pick 17 [from West Coast] (Ian Hill)
Pick 30 [from Geelong] (Sydney Stack)
Pick 42 [from Fremantle] (Dillon O'Reilly)
To go with Jordan Clark at 23

For Gold Coast, they get the replacements for Lynch and May as well as a top midfielder. For Fremantle, they get the best KPF in the draft, most of the good WA talent to assist their midfield and the son of Stephen O'Reilly..

Not bad.. one of the more reasonable trades I’ve seen

 

[carnthedons]

Apparently Gold Coast like the King brothers. Could get them a little further down than picks 2 and 3. Fremantle also have too few middle round draft picks this year. If Neale gets traded for picks 5 and 23, would this interest all parties?

Gold Coast -
Pick 5 (Bailey Smith)
Pick 6 (Ben King)
Pick 77 (Academy Selection)
To go with Max King at 3

Fremantle -
Pick 2 (Jack Lukosius)
Pick 17 [from West Coast] (Ian Hill)
Pick 30 [from Geelong] (Sydney Stack)
Pick 42 [from Fremantle] (Dillon O'Reilly)
To go with Jordan Clark at 23

For Gold Coast, they get the replacements for Lynch and May as well as a top midfielder. For Fremantle, they get the best KPF in the draft, most of the good WA talent to assist their midfield and the son of Stephen O'Reilly..

Seems reasonable. Would like O’Reilly to play for Carlton at some point for shits n gigs though

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Apparently Gold Coast like the King brothers. Could get them a little further down than picks 2 and 3. Fremantle also have too few middle round draft picks this year. If Neale gets traded for picks 5 and 23, would this interest all parties?

Gold Coast -
Pick 5 (Bailey Smith)
Pick 6 (Ben King)
Pick 77 (Academy Selection)
To go with Max King at 3

Fremantle -
Pick 2 (Jack Lukosius)
Pick 17 [from West Coast] (Ian Hill)
Pick 30 [from Geelong] (Sydney Stack)
Pick 42 [from Fremantle] (Dillon O'Reilly)
To go with Jordan Clark at 23

For Gold Coast, they get the replacements for Lynch and May as well as a top midfielder. For Fremantle, they get the best KPF in the draft, most of the good WA talent to assist their midfield and the son of Stephen O'Reilly..

Does seem reasonable. Losing Neale would at least make trade and draft week very interesting

 

[Flags_In_The_Bag]

Apparently Gold Coast like the King brothers. Could get them a little further down than picks 2 and 3. Fremantle also have too few middle round draft picks this year. If Neale gets traded for picks 5 and 23, would this interest all parties?

Gold Coast -
Pick 5 (Bailey Smith)
Pick 6 (Ben King)
Pick 77 (Academy Selection)
To go with Max King at 3

Fremantle -
Pick 2 (Jack Lukosius)
Pick 17 [from West Coast] (Ian Hill)
Pick 30 [from Geelong] (Sydney Stack)
Pick 42 [from Fremantle] (Dillon O'Reilly)
To go with Jordan Clark at 23

For Gold Coast, they get the replacements for Lynch and May as well as a top midfielder. For Fremantle, they get the best KPF in the draft, most of the good WA talent to assist their midfield and the son of Stephen O'Reilly..

Yes but allegedly the Kings don't like the idea of playing there.

 

[Phat Toni]

Collingwood trades
Darcy Moore + 2019 2nd round pick for Swans 2018 1st round pick + 2018 3rd round pick

Collingwood trades
2018 1st round pick + 2018 Swains 1st round pick + Josh Thomas for Pick 4 + Steven May

Thomas is serverely underrated, an excellent small forward that can go through our midfield, kicks goals during crucial moments.

Gold Coast has also shown the willingness to pay extras to bring local talent back to GC. Gold coast has shown intentions of starting from scratch again via the draft, with how even the 1st round is in this year's draft, they'd be better off having 2 mid-late 1st rounders and an instant best 18 player for them over just 1 pick and 1 player who doesn't want to be there.

Let's start with I dont know where Pick 4 comes from, as it stands Suns have Pick 2 and will get a compo pick which is likely to be pick 3, so for the purpose of this I'm going to assume you mean Pick 3.....

So you're saying Pick 13 + Pick 16 + J Thomas for Suns Pick 3 + Steven May !?! Based on points alone 13 and 16 are worth 2279, Pick 3 by itself is 2234....

So fundamentally you are trading Steven May for Josh Thomas! At least they are the same age.... so they have that in common I guess.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Yes but allegedly the Kings don't like the idea of playing there.

Allegedly, and mainly because the Suns are currently a basket case. If they get their act together over the next few years, few will want to leave. Plus there's the opportunity for the Kings to play together, which they may not get if they depart for Victoria. We'll see, Rayner and Cerra were supposed to be big flight risks and they've both re-signed.

 

[Realist#1]

Let's start with I dont know where Pick 4 comes from, as it stands Suns have Pick 2 and will get a compo pick which is likely to be pick 3, so for the purpose of this I'm going to assume you mean Pick 3.....

So you're saying Pick 13 + Pick 16 + J Thomas for Suns Pick 3 + Steven May !?! Based on points alone 13 and 16 are worth 2279, Pick 3 by itself is 2234....

So fundamentally you are trading Steven May for Josh Thomas! At least they are the same age.... so they have that in common I guess.

If my club traded pick 3 and Steven may, I'd want a lot more than pick 13, 16 and Josh Thomas. Like that's not even appealin... and **** the points.. they only matter if there's a awesome academy player they need to match in the first round...

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

I dont think you guys understand. Thomas is under-rated by everyone outside of Collingwood. You wouldnt understand what his true value is like Collingwood supporters do

 

[Mitchell54]

I dont think you guys understand. Thomas is under-rated by everyone outside of Collingwood. You wouldnt understand what his true value is like Collingwood supporters do

Small forwards are easier to come by than a quality KPD with more runs on the board than Thomas.

Pick 13 & 16 are nowhere near the value of pick 3.

You’d need at least pick 20 for a trade of 13 & 16 + 20 for 3.

So Thomas for Pick 20 & May.

Not denying Thomas has been a really good player this year but that’s way too much to give up.
This is the only year in which he has starred and he’s 26

 

[Phat Toni]

If my club traded pick 3 and Steven may, I'd want a lot more than pick 13, 16 and Josh Thomas. Like that's not even appealin... and **** the points.. they only matter if there's a awesome academy player they need to match in the first round...

You're right Pick 3 and May should net you a Nat Fyfe

Don't disagree, was just showing what the value of 13 and 16 was.

 

[citizen-erased]

Let's start with I dont know where Pick 4 comes from, as it stands Suns have Pick 2 and will get a compo pick which is likely to be pick 3, so for the purpose of this I'm going to assume you mean Pick 3.....

So you're saying Pick 13 + Pick 16 + J Thomas for Suns Pick 3 + Steven May !?! Based on points alone 13 and 16 are worth 2279, Pick 3 by itself is 2234....

So fundamentally you are trading Steven May for Josh Thomas! At least they are the same age.... so they have that in common I guess.

Take Pick 4 out and GCS can send something back to Collingwood (2018 EFC 2nd perhaps).

So its 13, 16 and Thomas for May & 36.

 

[citizen-erased]

Heppell isn’t leaving.

This.

Heppell, along with Smith, were the only guys who were close to AA standard for us this year.
We aren't in rebuild mode so we aren't trading any best 22's out, esp the ones in the sub 28yo bracket.

Would trade out 2019 1st & 2nd plus Colyer for Freo's 2018 1st (7-15, 35-42 & Colyer for 5 - which rates Colyer around Pick 69)

 

[Mitchell54]

Would trade out 2019 1st & 2nd plus Colyer for Freo's 2018 1st (7-15, 35-42 & Colyer for 5 - which rates Colyer around Pick 69)

Can’t trade both your future 1st and 2nd. Against AFL rules regarding future trading

 

[Lore]

Can’t trade both your future 1st and 2nd. Against AFL rules regarding future trading

Unless you trade one back in.

 

[Phat Toni]

Take Pick 4 out and GCS can send something back to Collingwood (2018 EFC 2nd perhaps).

So its 13, 16 and Thomas for May & 36.

this is getting closer, two mid to late 1st rounders plus Thomas for May and a 2nd sounds about right..... even if May hasn't really achieved that much in his career and has missed a lot of footy(be it injury or stupid suspensions) he is still a quality big back-men

 

[Mitchell54]

Unless you trade one back in.

Which he didn’t traded a 2018 Pick in and not a 2019 pick

 

[Lore]

Which he didn’t traded a 2018 Pick in and not a 2019 pick

It doesn't necessarily have to be in the same trade, although I would expect it has to happen before you can trade another one out.

 

[Phat Toni]

This.

Heppell, along with Smith, were the only guys who were close to AA standard for us this year.
We aren't in rebuild mode so we aren't trading any best 22's out, esp the ones in the sub 28yo bracket.

Would trade out 2019 1st & 2nd plus Colyer for Freo's 2018 1st (7-15, 35-42 & Colyer for 5 - which rates Colyer around Pick 69)

Dodo would make off like a bandit if he could convince Freo of that!

 

[Mitchell54]

It doesn't necessarily have to be in the same trade, although I would expect it has to happen before you can trade another one out.

Precisely they would have to trade out this years 2nd perhaps for one next year.

 

[citizen-erased]

Dodo would make off like a bandit if he could convince Freo of that!

Admittedly, it looks one sided when you consider we get a very good pick out of it.

Its hard to think of Freo's needs at the moment, but another outside runner to compliment the Hill's.
And a senior body to step into the Neale void (though completely different role/skill levels) should he leave.
But its more around the 2 picks for 1 that i put the deal together

Slide a few spots in the first but pick up a 2nd.
And it all comes down to which Essendon turns up in 2019.
There is every chance we land where we are now again.

 

[citizen-erased]

Can’t trade both your future 1st and 2nd. Against AFL rules regarding future trading

AH yes. good point
Though AFL and "rules"........


We could try for an exception
Our list profile is not so that we need to be taking our picks each year. The rules were put in place to stop teams doing silly trades that could hamstring them.
We have enough kids in our 22 and knocking down the door.
Adding 5 & 7 in this years draft adds to that.

 

[Phat Toni]

Admittedly, it looks one sided when you consider we get a very good pick out of it.

Its hard to think of Freo's needs at the moment, but another outside runner to compliment the Hill's.
And a senior body to step into the Neale void (though completely different role/skill levels) should he leave.
But its more around the 2 picks for 1 that i put the deal together

Slide a few spots in the first but pick up a 2nd.
And it all comes down to which Essendon turns up in 2019.
There is every chance we land where we are now again.

TBH i couldn't really tell you what the Freo needs are other than they generally need more quality in their big's forward of centre, Brennan Cox was pretty good and is young but other than that I think everybody would agree Cam McCathy hasn't fulfilled his 2015 potential he showed at the Giants! He's still only 23 so there is hope but that is fading. Taberner has had his moments but has been injured and is 26 next year.... So my guess is they would be keen to get one of the big forwards in the draft so might be more likely to keep their high end pick, if they get the Lions pick then all bets are off, they may be happy to unload one of the picks.

If the Lions pick comes in I wonder if your original hypothetical is slightly reversed would that be enticing for the Dockers so Dons 2018 2nd(Pick 30) & 2019 1st plus Colyer for Freo's 2018 1st, so in basic terms Freo get back into the 2nd round in 2018 plus get a 1st for next year probably in the range like you said 7-15 and get some cheap fries on the side in Colyer.