Lambert isn’t a vegan!
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On this topic specifically, I've personally been vary wary of studies linking cause and effect as they're usually paid for by vested interests, leading to biased outcomes. If you ask the greens for a report on logging it will be very different to that of the forest industry.Red meat causes cancer was epidemiology and relied heavily on FFQ (food frequency questioners) and the strange part, well not that strange, the 800 studies (from the original Lancet findings) have yet to be released to scientists, journalists or the public. Its normal procedure for a finding like this to be released a week early for it to be studied before the embargo is lifted. This hasn't. Its as dodgy as a man made vegan lamb chop.
Ive met so.many who essentially are are doing it because its trendy.....thats why.Bolded part might be your issue
Hmmm chemicals are needed to produce non leather products..vegans are often very environmentally consciousJust in case you weren't trolling and genuinely didn't know, there are plenty of leather alternatives for things like belts, fancy shoes, handbags, wallets etc.
"HURRRR DURRRRR HOW YOU KNOW A VEGAN DOESNT EAT MEAT BECAUSE THEY TELL YOU ABOUT IT LOL GET IT BECAUSE VEGANS ONLY TALK ABOUT VEGAN DERPDERPDERPDERPDERP"
Yet look at all the people in a thread about plant based diets crapping on about how good meat is.
"Yeah but evolutionary biology1!!!!1!"
WTF?
Don't let it bother youIve met so.many who essentially are are doing it because its trendy.....thats why.
"What's for dinner Dad?"I mean, I guess? Haven’t seen too many people saying what you’ve quoted, I suppose when you have people claiming red meat is the same as asbestos inhalation then it’s hard not to get “defensive”
My tone? I just posted some links. I quoted a post of yours that used the word 'bullshit'. My tone is fine.
On the stats. You are correct in part. I don't know the exposure to asbestos to cancer ratio i.e. the likelihood of getting cancer.
But I can easily find a statistic that 25% of deaths (higher for men) in the US are contributed to heart disease, the cause I stated above.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/amp/282929
However doesn't it concern you/strike you as odd that as a society we are actively warned not to have any contact with cancer causing agents such as tobacco or asbestos yet we are overwhelmingly encouraged to eat something that we know will lead (or strongly contribute) to causing heart disease? Our biggest killer? I agree that if asbestos was actively foreced on us as a society then that would likely be the biggest killer. But it's not. We're told not to go near it. The comparison to asbestos is trivial. The one in 4 thing concerns me personally so I choose a plant based diet. The articles I've posted support/explain my decision. It shouldn't simply be written off as 'bullshit' because you don't agree. I find it interesting that many people who consume meat get so aggressive when confronted with facts that oppose their views.
On this topic specifically, I've personally been vary wary of studies linking cause and effect as they're usually paid for by vested interests, leading to biased outcomes. If you ask the greens for a report on logging it will be very different to that of the forest industry.
In the dairy argument, it is very difficult to find an unbiased report linking dairy consumption with osteoporosis, yet a 2 min google search on 'countries with high dairy consumption' and 'countries with osteoporosis levels' reveals almost identical countries. How can this be if dairy is meant to be good for our bones? I've just read and watched a lot and drawn my own conclusions.
The WHO report you put up would have got a hammering from the meat industry, hence their tweet to 'clarify'. The meat industry is a very, very powerful lobby group as you can imagine. For the WHO to even suggest a reduction in meat consumption is a pretty big step away from the status quo don't you think?
seriously if you want to eat nothing but tofu and parsnips then that's your prerogative, I just don't see why 95% of the vegan population has to act like they're on some kind of crusade
Its almost like someone else's dietary choices are entirely their own, hey?I'm a meat eater myself, but I do take the point that a vego friend makes: that nobody has quite as many opinions on another person's diet as a meat-eater who has been recently introduced to a vegetarian.
Probably because for many of those who make the choice for moral reasons, it is a crusade.
Heart disease is probably caused by a mixture of high saturated fat and simple carb intake. Take out red meat and the saturated fat content decreases significantly. (E.g. no sausages for breakfast and steak for dinner each night).
I'm not even sure there is a single person on the planet who eats sausages for breakfast and steak every night. For real?Heart disease is probably caused by a mixture of high saturated fat and simple carb intake. Take out red meat and the saturated fat content decreases significantly. (E.g. no sausages for breakfast and steak for dinner each night).
That doesn't make it less annoying?
Your methods are so tremendously effective that they're used in communication lecturers about how not to convey a message
I know right? It's almost as stupid as thinking a vegan lives on tofu and parsnips and have to carry their money and bus ticket in a hessian bag because wallets that aren't made of leather haven't been invented yet.I'm not even sure there is a single person on the planet who eats sausages for breakfast and steak every night.
I know right? It's almost as stupid as thinking a vegan lives on tofu and parsnips and have to carry their money and bus ticket in a hessian bag because wallets that aren't made of leather haven't been invented yet.
The English for one. Polish/Germans. It’s necessarily useful looking at todays diet, but rather what people were eating 30+ years ago as they are the ones from which useful heart disease data can be taken.I'm not even sure there is a single person on the planet who eats sausages for breakfast and steak every night. For real?
How about sausage once every 2-3 weeks, steak 1-1.5 times a fortnight, lamb the same with chicken, pork and seafood making up the rest...
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and smoking, and drinking, and genetics, and poor physical fitness, and age, and gender, and diabetes, and sedentary lifestyles, and psychological factors
but yes, it's cos of the sausages