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We definitely won't make the eight. We were murdered by Gold Coast for ****s sake
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If we stay as we are I agree
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We definitely won't make the eight. We were murdered by Gold Coast for ****s sake
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No they don't but they do have strategies to go with structures and we have few of them.This plan B stuff is a bit of a furphy to be honest. Good teams have strong structures, sure you can throw a couple of magnets around but it’s not really a plan B.
It’s the teams ability to get a game back on their terms, and back on the terms of their structures but no team has a second plan to be implemented imo.
No but he is a premiership player, assistant coach twice. He has a pedigree of successCollingwood, Geelong and now Richmond assistant. Doesn’t come from
the famed Clarkson stable.
When a side slides it is always the coach's fault. If it were from. Lack of good talent I'd agree with you immediately but it isn't. It's from lack of a good game plan. We won many games by small margins this year. Could not score high scores. What if those games start to go the other way or we start to get blown away consistently by the likes of Gold Coast? Sorry but everyone is waking up. We survived on the talent of some really serious footballers this year. But if the game plan goes south, as in the Sun's & Giants games, not even talent can save you.When we win it is in spite of Horse, when we lose it is all Horse's fault.
All the senior players are cooked, the youngsters are up & down...but it all Horse's fault.
Some of you need to give the record player a nudge, you're stuck on the same song.
I actually don't agree with you. Just bombing the ball into Buddy is definitely utilising his talents. He isn't a great pack Mark never has been. Playing him injured is not utilising his talents it is shortening his career.You really think that Horse has a plan to specifically not use the talents of the best player in the comp?
Don't be ridiculous!
Our best kicks can't kick the ball further than 30m with any accuracy.
We don't have a ruckman that takes marks around the ground, particularly from kick-ins.
We have nobody with elite ball use in our midfield.
Our best players' form goes up and down as much as the form of our kids.
We don't have any leg speed.
Agree here.Of all the coaches we have had in my memory, some have been great (Smith, Roos), most have been good (Eade, Hafey, Horse) and some were woeful (McMahon, Tuddenham, Stewart and Buckenara). Horse is at risk of dropping to woeful.
No what he is saying is the regression could see us bottoming out. That would be woefulHis record will read as great. Reality is probably good. Would have to really mess up to be spoken about in the same company as woeful. Won a premiership and took them to finals every season at the helm, long way off woeful.
He inherited an absolute star studded outfit and managed one premiership and one of the worst drubbing in AFL/VFL historyIn the Swans era the argument for our best coach is between Roos & Longmire. I can't see any other coach being up for debate but the way people are carrying on is as if he's the worst coach we've had.
Clarkson's side was picked for blottom eight before the season got underway. He did well to get the that farYep ”no plan B” is basically code for "I don't like that we can't win all the time"
Where was Clarksons plan B on Thursday night? Or when they lost to Brisbane for the 2nd time in one season?
I have no problems with criticisms of our plan A by the way. It needs work
Cameron inherited a star studded line up and did nothing. Buckley inherited a star studded lineup and went backwards. Thomas inherited a star studded line up and did nothing. If that's all there is to it why have so many others failed where Horse succeeded? Why couldn't Roos take us to another flag in 2010? If the list is all it takes, why have a coach at all? Teams just coach themselvesHe inherited an absolute star studded outfit and managed one premiership and one of the worst drubbing in AFL/VFL history
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Making finals is nice but being bundled out in straight sets seems a waste. Oddly both teams that were knocked out this weekend qualified for the prelim by beating the Hawks. Playing the Hawks seemed to inflate their confidence as they were well off the pace against other top 4 teams.Clarkson's side was picked for blottom eight before the season got underway. He did well to get the that far
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Jack should be retired with Reg and Macca. Time to develop the new breed of Swan. Other players who should be let go are;So you want to axe Kennedy and Jack from the midfield? Who are the other ageing midfielders?
Hannas is gone. Probably find a coach that will let him get his body right unlike LongmireParker is so old! He's 25, time to put him out to pasture. Hanners too, 27. Yuck!
When a side slides it is always the coach's fault. If it were from. Lack of good talent I'd agree with you immediately but it isn't. It's from lack of a good game plan. We won many games by small margins this year. Could not score high scores. What if those games start to go the other way or we start to get blown away consistently by the likes of Gold Coast? Sorry but everyone is waking up. We survived on the talent of some really serious footballers this year. But if the game plan goes south, as in the Sun's & Giants games, not even talent can save you.
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Thanks. So no other ageing midfielders then.Jack should be retired with Reg and Macca. Time to develop the new breed of Swan. Other players who should be let go are;
Marsh, Towers, Maybe Foote, Pink & Rose.
Towers: I like Dean but he had a dog of a year.
Marsh: Same as Towers
Foote: Looked great early and was really good when he came back. But injuries took their toll. His viability is low
Pink: Toby virtually did not get on the park. I think they told him early he was going to be delisted. If he goes back to the Tigers in Adel aide he might have another shot later.
Rose: Looked so good in the reserves but is simply too easily pushed off the ball at AFL level.
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Clarkson's side was picked for blottom eight before the season got underway. He did well to get the that far
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No what he is saying is the regression could see us bottoming out. That would be woeful
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Big time?
Only game they played last year the Pies won by 1 point. Pies outscored us in the first but we won 2nd and 4th quarter and third was dead even.
Missing Heeney, Papley and Rampe at a glance. Had two 18 year olds as well as under 50 games Newman, Aliir, Mills, Marsh, Fox, Foote,
Dawson, Hewett, Naismith
Big time? Nope...
Now that was profound. A bit like a Horse half time speach, more roundabouts than Monarco"No Plan B" is an expression used by spectators with no idea what they're looking at to try to present themselves as having some idea about what they're looking at when all they're really doing is demonstrating to those who do know what they're looking at that indeed they have no idea what they're looking at.
We win a lot of our games because of individual brilliance by some of our gun players.I don't know how we nearly won that game. We were outcoached.
Pies had 70 more possessions, and still had 30 more tackles. That first quarter they should have kicked 8 goals, I can't remember exact numbers but there were some obscene stat differentials in the first quarter.
Our defence held the line and kept it close in a game where they should have pantsed us.
Anyway that was 2017, so whatever.
That is bullshit. Franklin played in 2014, 2015, 2016 (I seem to remember him in a GF) and 2017. Horse has ****ed up the Franklin opportunity by insisting he play injured. Stuff you who's bloody fault is it Franklin was on one knee. That is just specious bullshit Bruce. Put responsibility where it deserves to be.I'm of the view 2016 was a robbery. I will never change that view.
My point was that it is difficult to compare coaches from the eras because their jobs are so different.
Are you seriously saying Hafey had an inferior comparative list to Horse? At Sydney?
Because that is simply delusional. Hafey had the opposite of the trade ban Horse has had to contend with.
Further, Horse didn't effectively have Franklin in 2016. He didn't have him at all in 2015. And he had a Franklin on one leg in 2018. When we lost that is.
That is not true. If your game plan and tactics don't stack up then the players are at a loss from the get goSince the players, not the coach, are responsible for performances I'd prefer we just avoid having a highly paid coach and put the extra $800k a year into list management staff
Yes and allowing Hanbas and Jack to be so shitty for so long sent the wrong message to the young blokesAgreed the club a whole is responsible for performance.
The coach in my opinion has more control of the overall direction , not so much on one game, but in the overall scheme of the season in terms of directing strategy, selection and gameplan- he can drop the players who do not comply. A s**t performance in a game is more on the players than the coach as a rule.
If a team plays the same way over and over again the coach is ultimately more to blame than the players in my view, but then of course maybe management is more to blame, as they should deal with a coach who does not perform.