Bluemour Discussion Thread XI - Facts Not Welcome

[Funk]

What's this pick worth in a trade I wonder?

Based on Liam Ryan, Fritsch, Tim Kelly - around 25-35.

 

[Jabba73]

The state League players eligible must have previously nominated for the draft or been delisted according to HS article this morning

So they must be players that have already failed at AFL level or completely overlooked by every club multiple times, for whatever reason.

Seems more like the AFL trying to sell hope to discarded players than a serious attempt to help struggling clubs.

If anything, it is tying up limited resources on long shots when we already are stretched for player development.

 

[smashbox gill]

The club made a statement last night according to SEN. So looks like no PP.

Maybe these state league picks have been formulated with information that they will used to get our targets.

McAdam (state league player 1) + ADE 2nd for McGovern

2019 1st, Dogs 2nd + state league player 2 for Shiel + Setterfield

I’m not sure on the value of these state league players but I’m suggesting something along those lines.

We can be confident that SOS will look at all options and know what to do. This is a man who tried to bend the rules of the original mini draft so GWS could get Omera. The same guy who stockpiled late draft picks for points to pick up academy players. He’s always ahead of the curb. We’re in safe hands guys!

 

[Gethelred]

Way under for us. Lukosius is a possible number one pick, why would we trade that for a third tall and pick #7?

Trade him to GC for two of their firsts...

 

[OZBomb]

After sleeping on the PP thing, gotta agree this is the AFL scared of the Clubland reaction. They think if they give other clubs the ability to trade for the State League players that it'll stop the Chris Scott's of the world complaining about our access to them and the costs associated with scouting them throughout the year. In reality, that's going to make it a late second round PP and Shane McAdam. I still think we can get Shiel, Setterfield, Fasolo and MM without any PP.
I don't think we should discount Liam Jones and Levi Casboult leaving to assist in reaching our objectives, if Melbourne were to get Steven May, there may be teams that see Jones as a cheaper fall-back option. I also think Casboult would appeal to a team like Richmond.

 

[RoyalBlues]

My word you will.

Handy for on here.

 

[F_therest]

The state League players eligible must have previously nominated for the draft or been delisted according to HS article this morning

I think I read somewhere only two have nominated for the draft...meaning only two have had any serious interest from clubs.

 

[Funk]

Yeah but anyone can get a top end pick and do well with it and secondly, we don't deserve a top end PP. The same people that are screaming for a top end PP are also the same people saying we have the best crop of kids in the AFL.
If we see it, you don't think the AFL see it.
Shit, you or me could pick a winner with top end picks mate.

Is your surname Rogers or Hughes?

 

[KohPhi]

So they must be players that have already failed at AFL level or completely overlooked by every club multiple times, for whatever reason.

Seems more like the AFL trying to sell hope to discarded players than a serious attempt to help struggling clubs.

If anything, it is tying up limited resources on long shots when we already are stretched for player development.

It limits the pool to choose from but the AFL is littered with players who have missed 1,2,3 drafts and come good. Like I said, our recruitment team will be forced to earn their keep and to me, that's a good thing.
The club/SOS would have known about this 'development' weeks ago. They will be well advanced in their dealings to get MM if he really wants to be a Blue.

The HS article today stated the Blues are confident of securing him with the concessions given to the Club.

 

[Gavstar]

I think I read somewhere only two have nominated for the draft...meaning only two have had any serious interest from clubs.

Guessing Lukosious and Rankine have nominated for the draft?

 

[KohPhi]

Is your surname Rogers or Hughes?

No I'd like to think I'm far more astute than those two spuds...

 

[KohPhi]

Guessing Lukosious and Rankine have nominated for the draft?

Previous drafts, not the upcoming draft.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Well then maybe we trade out both state league "free hits" and get back 2 x 2nd rounders, or a 2nd and a 3rd?

Mate, you don't get nothing for nothing anymore. We are where we are because of our own doing, the club has come out and said as much.

Don't be sucked in by the win/loss ratio. Injuries were a HUGE factor, the club knows it, opposition clubs know it and the AFL know it.

Don't get me wrong, if they gave us a PP I'd take it, but we don't need it.

Brisbane did

 

[Funk]

Been some pretty handy players drafted as mature age recruits.

Jeremy McGovern, Mitch McGovern, Isaac Smith, Harry Taylor, Barlow, Jeremy Howe, Adam Saad, Ben Brown, Puopolo, Zorko.

And there's been plenty of hacks as well.

 

[LanceRomance]

Wake up Dylan it's time to call the press!

Yes, today is the day he puts on his navy blue slippers on... Not his GWS ones

 

[passmark]

Going by how often there seem to be 'once in a generation' players, I would be a great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather....

Don't forget his other hits "steal of the draft" and "can run through the midfield "!!

 

[KohPhi]

Brisbane did

Brisbane did what?

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

The absolute arrogance of some on here is astounding.

To be a know-all is one thing, to tell others how they should feel/react/behave is another.

Get over yourselves.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Brisbane did what?

Get a PP for doing nothing. But apparently nothing is free these days....

 

[jooce8891]

What if he’s a Tim Kelly or a Sam Menegola or a Lambert? Up to us now

yep, hopefully with agresta, he's exactly the type of person to pull a diamond in the rough.

 

[Judds Junk]

After sleeping on the PP thing, gotta agree this is the AFL scared of the Clubland reaction. They think if they give other clubs the ability to trade for the State League players that it'll stop the Chris Scott's of the world complaining about our access to them and the costs associated with scouting them throughout the year. In reality, that's going to make it a late second round PP and Shane McAdam. I still think we can get Shiel, Setterfield, Fasolo and MM without any PP.
I don't think we should discount Liam Jones and Levi Casboult leaving to assist in reaching our objectives, if Melbourne were to get Steven May, there may be teams that see Jones as a cheaper fall-back option. I also think Casboult would appeal to a team like Richmond.

Wasn't there some talk about Casboult to GC? that could potentially help with landing Brodie... Cas + 2nd rounder for Brodie?

 

[RoyalBlues]

Only if you were right.

Oh so no consolation prize from the McGovern ment?

[emoji471]

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

And there's been plenty of hacks as well.

There are hacks taken everywhere in the draft. Over the last couple of years I'd say the first 2-3 are coming with a fairly high chance of success. We just have to be good enough to pick them

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Wasn't there some talk about Casboult to GC? that could potentially help with landing Brodie... Cas + 2nd rounder for Brodie?

Surely they back in what they have. Wright plays the exact same role

 

[F_therest]

And there's been plenty of hacks as well.

Can say the same for the draft in general...hits and misses.

It's up to us to make the most of the two picks we've been given.