Bluemour Discussion Thread XI - Facts Not Welcome

[gardiner stand]

If next years first pick is used for Shiel then we’d be no chance for Kelly.

If Kelly is a realistic chance then I’d be taking one more year of medicine and tell Shiel to come next year as a FA and then give GWS our first rounder and our future first rounder for Kelly

 

[Kramer1]

I'm like 30 pages behind so someone catch me up.


Dis true?

Yep. You're caught up. The other 29 pages were mainly snark.

Also RoyalBlues promised us Dylan Shiel today. We're putting together an angry mob if he doesn't deliver. Do you want a pitchfork or a flaming torch?

 

[Space Cadet]

So, if one of the other teams has chosen a state-league player they want, do they come to us directly and offer a pick for that player? If we're not keen on any particular player, is that what's going to happen here?

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Hypothetically, let's say Hawthorn are hoping to pick up a certain state league player with their 2nd pick (thirty something). They could remove the uncertainty and trade that pick to us for the player.
Not sure if I prefer this approach to just taking the players ourselves.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I'm like 30 pages behind so someone catch me up.


Dis true?

• Carlton and GC to get "access" to mature age state league players who can be on-traded to other clubs.
• No priority picks have been 100% confirmed or denied by the AFL, but media speculation is that they won't be awarded.
• GC likely to get Pick 3 for Lynch, and whatever they can secure for May in a trade.
• RoyalBlues has assured us Shiel will officially request a trade to Carlton today, and that the club is still confident of landing McGovern.

That's about it.

 

[Coona Blues]

So no PP

This rebuild is going to be so much sweeter

There is that side to it. I am in the camp of taking what we can get, given bias manufactured by
AFL through free agency. But will be nice to stick it up 'em.
If we can add Shiel, Setterfield, McGovern and Walsh, look out by 2020.

 

[ShanDog]

I'm like 30 pages behind so someone catch me up.


Dis true?

Dis true (more to come though)

Shiel trade request to us being announced today (rumour)

Mitch McGovern still happening (rumour)

ShanDog sick of ShanPup throwing up on him (100% true)

 

[ShanDog]

Yep. Your caught up. The other 29 pages were mainly snark.

You're*

 

[Johnny James]

So no PP

This rebuild is going to be so much sweeter

My feelings too Arrow.

 

[blue healer]

The absolute arrogance of some on here is astounding.

To be a know-all is one thing, to tell others how they should feel/react/behave is another.

Get over yourselves.

Is it OK if we tell others what we think?

OK, I think the AFL have taken an each way bet by giving us a meagre consolation package when their practice, in the past, has been to offer no worse than end of first round picks to clubs that have been largely uncompetitive for a number of seasons. The compensation offered us is, historically, at best the equivalent of a late second round pick and they have also dictated how we are to use it. Seems to me they have even prevented us from bundling their meagre offering with anything in order to improve our chances of actually getting the players we have identified as needed, instead telling us that "this is where you need to look, we know best".

I also think it is painfully obvious that they have caved in to the demands of other clubs and their supporters. Interesting to note that this is the same organisation that refused to listen to those same other clubs and their supporters in allowing * the number one pick after the disgrace that club forced on the League and footy in general and, in their manipulative use of FA compensation, have engineered picks (and subsequent trades) that are questionable at the least.

Again I think, on the surface, that their leaking of these details to certain sections of the media and failure to get on the front foot and announce their decision is also an absolute disgrace. If they are going to make decisions like this they should, at least, get on the front foot, own them and come clean on their rationale.

I don't subscribe to the view that they have a vendetta against us or any other club. I just THINK, and have THOUGHT for some time, that they are a makey uppy organisation that can't lie straight in bed.

It is evident to me now that we must continue on the path we are on in spite of this rabble, and not rely on any assistance at all from them.

That is what I think.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Excellent summarising you guys. I'm never reading a whole thread again xo

 

[Arr0w]

So no PP

This rebuild is going to be so much sweeter

Furthermore.......

Grand Finalists, don't have any PP players running this weekend

 

[Coona Blues]

Gil is an absolute flog.

Won't find too much argument here.

 

[F_therest]

If next years first pick is used for Shiel then we’d be no chance for Kelly.

If Kelly is a realistic chance then I’d be taking one more year of medicine and tell Shiel to come next year as a FA and then give GWS our first rounder and our future first rounder for Kelly

No guarantees... A lot can change in a year.

 

[ShanDog]

Excellent summarising you guys. I'm never reading a whole thread again xo

Need an OP kept up to date with what's happening in the thread. Make it happen mods!

 

[ODNBlue]

Furthermore.......

Grand Finalists, don't have any PP players running this weekend

Pendles?

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[Gethelred]

The good thing about this, is no PP to prop other sides up in future when we flying high again. They will have to follow our model and do the hard yards at the draft for a number of seasons. I love the state league stuff assistance more for the league as a whole. Counters a bit of the free agency stuff. I do have a slight concern though, that when we finally get seriously good again, the free agency rules will change again that we cannot benefit from like teams at top of ladder have in recent times to sustain strong list giving up no picks etc.
I suspect when we up again the free agency rules will mean the club gaining a big free agent gives up some pick and that goes to the club losing player as some form of compo. At moment the clubs getting big free agents give up nothing and every other club not involved is moved down the draft order one spot to allow the other club compo from a pick that previously did not exist.

It's beholden on us to find the next exploitable loophole, and to make the most of it before the thing's closed.

It's never enough to just be better. Got to play smarter.

 

[Arr0w]

Pendles?

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No, PP was Thomas

 

[Arr0w]

It's beholden on us to find the next exploitable loophole, and to make the most of it before the thing's closed.

It's never enough to just be better. Got to play smarter.

This

 

[Gethelred]

I'm like 30 pages behind so someone catch me up.


Dis true?

Yes.

 

[bigdog43]

state league player - is this defined as someone who has previously been eligible to enter the AFL draft but was not selected, or selected and spat out of the system?

Possible loopholes to explore?

I was wondering about this. Podhajski who plays for Calder wasn’t drafted last year but dominated this year is rated by some as a top 30 pick, could he be eligible? I expect Brodie and Agresta to nail these state league picks, it’s what they were brought in for.

 

[Stamos]

Excellent summarising you guys. I'm never reading a whole thread again xo

We should have a second No Discussion thread, which gives a single post summary of each 20 pages of this thread.

 

[Blue__Balls]

If next years first pick is used for Shiel then we’d be no chance for Kelly.

If Kelly is a realistic chance then I’d be taking one more year of medicine and tell Shiel to come next year as a FA and then give GWS our first rounder and our future first rounder for Kelly

If we can guarantee Shiel, for the cost of the "potential" to secure Kelly - do it. What happens when we tell Shiel we're not prepared to cough up for him, he buggers off the St Kilda, then next year we go hard at Kelly only for him to request a trade to North Melbourne. How stupid do we look then.

Bird in the hand, and all that.

If Shiel says he wants to be a Blue, and the cost is next year's first (with a little something else coming back - Setters or a pick), then pull the trigger and away we go.

 

[Sector 7G]

No, PP was Thomas

So Adams is the bi-product of Pies getting a PP in 2005

 

[RoyalBlues]

Won't find too much argument here.

Maybe other flogs would be unhappy though!

Not at all suggesting ANYONE on here is.

 

[Dominator_7]

Most people aren't angry about not getting a PP. The anger comes from the Club being pressured by media and the AFL into reconsidering our original stance on the PP, only to be made to look like pathetic fools and publicly humiliated. Its the AFL's arrogant, almost dismissive attitude of 'Here, have some C Graders, that's what you need. You've got enough talented kids. The good players only want to go to the top teams, not you'.