List Mgmt. 2018 Draft, Free Agency & Trade Hypotheticals thread, Part II: Nothing happened!

[melbournehammer]

Finished top 3 in the Brownlow in consecutive years and was being offered a 7 or 8 year deal on big money from North.

It will be genuinely interesting when clubs decide to go with the trade here rather than the player. Trading will really come of age at that point.

 

[Kapanis]

There was a rumour (on Bigfooty rumours board) that Cyril won the lottery. In fact, the day he retired was the same day someone stepped forward to collect $55mil in the lottery in Vic.

Wow, so much for playing for the love of the game.

 

[melbournehammer]

Not in the same stratosphere. Your comparing him to quite possibly the toughest most courageous player to ever pull on a pair of boots.

I think banners showed a different courage. You always knew when he'd been hurt. He would stay down which is the antithesis of Kelly who jogged off after doing his acl.

But he did get whacked a lot and he gave his all

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Might skip the 633 unread messages in this thread since this morning, did I miss anything, Im guessing Bedford has lost it at some point in here!

Na, hasn’t been on for a bit.

 

[melbournehammer]

They saw him play would be the most logical rationale. Let's be honest, he's been a total liability this year.
Yeah the trade sucks, but then so does 2018 Hanners.
We got Plugger and BBBBHall off them too so

I think with the right coaching he'll be fine. He was still winning his own ball and linking up well. His disposal on the other hand which had always been no better than so so was just horrible. If he is encouraged to play within limitations he'll be a great asset.

 

[Wolfgang West]

I think banners showed a different courage. You always knew when he'd been hurt. He would stay down which is the antithesis of Kelly who jogged off after doing his acl.

But he did get whacked alot and gave his all.

No doubting that. As you say different courage. Kelly's courage and toughness are legendary in AFL Circles. Rodney Eade told me of how during his coaching tenure at the Swans where on several occasions Kelly would come off the ground after running himself to exhaustion would lose control of Bodily functions or the amount of times where sheer exhaustion would see him on a drip for hours after a game. Broke his scapular and tore his ac joint in a game the week before a final and was no chance of playing for the rest of the year and walked into Eades's office on the Tuesday and Told Eade he would be right to Play. Eade laughed at Him. 4 days later Kelly played and touched the ball 40 times. That just is a sample size. Legendary.

 

[robbieando]

I suspect Tippett was fully paid out in 2018 and he himself carries no balance into 2019.

However, the overspend on Tippett will need to be made up within the next two seasons (that is my reading of this).

A NEW TPP BANKING MECHANISM
• Introduce a new TPP banking mechanism that allows Clubs to spend over 100% of the TPP and ASA limits (combined limit), if in any of the preceding two years the Club spent below 100% of the combined limit
• The permitted amount of overspend is commensurate with the level of underspend in the relevant preceding period - for instance, if a Club was $500k below the combined limit in 2015, they can spend up to $500k over the combined limits across 2016 and 2017
• The overspend amount in any given year permits a Club to spend up to a maximum of 105% of the combined limit in that year
• This mechanism is effective from season 2015 (as such any underspends in 2013 and/or 2014 can be recovered in 2015)

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2014-06-04/afl-statement-competitive-balance-policy

Here is the current clause from the CBA.

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf

13. Payment of Total Player Payment and Additional Services Agreements

(a) Each AFL Club must expend no less than 95% of the combined annual Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limits in Football Payments to Players on its List in each relevant year.
(b) Where an AFL Club does not expend the amount set out in clause 13(a) in payments to Players on its List, the AFL Club shall be required to pay to the AFL, any shortfall in Football Payments.
(c) The AFL shall advise AFLPA whether each Club has expended 95% of the combined annual Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limits in Football Payments and shall advise AFLPA of any shortfall by any AFL Club including the amount of such shortfall.
(d) Any shortfall will be distributed in an equitable manner between the Players in the relevant AFL Club in a manner determined by the AFL and AFLPA after consultation with the Players from that Club.
(e) AFL Clubs may spend over 100% of the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit (Combined Limit), if in any of the preceding three years the Club has spent below 100% of the Combined Limit.
(f) The permitted amount of overspend will be tied to the level of underspend in the relevant preceding period. For example, if a Club was $500,000 below the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit in 2017, and paid 100% of the Combined Limit in 2018 and 2019, the Club would be entitled to spend $500,000 above the Combined Limit in 2020. If a $500,000 overspend was not made in 2020, the Club has lost the right to overspend in 2021.
(g) It is agreed that the overspend amount is to be capped at a maximum of 105% of the Combined Limit in any given year.

 

[DST]

He wasn’t signed as a free agent/ draft pick I guess

Correct, there are different rules for free agency.

If Cyril walked away and didn’t get paid, then there is nothing to be included.


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[DST]

Some sources report over 2 years, but like I said if he’s still on the list next year we will know i guess

The list has nothing to do with it. He has been paid out fully and won’t be included as part of the up to 44 we can have.

You are talking about something completely different, which is whether any of his contract amount will be included in the salary cap for 2019.


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[The King!]

The list has nothing to do with it. He has been paid out fully and won’t be included as part of the up to 44 we can have.

You are talking about something completely different, which is whether any of his contract amount will be included in the salary cap for 2019.


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No I’m saying we might have to both pay him next year and then retain him on the list

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/ceb3544f8ec28210f86bb8645486bd81

 

[DST]

No I’m saying we might have to both pay him next year and then retain him on the list

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...s/news-story/ceb3544f8ec28210f86bb8645486bd81

Can’t read the story.


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[Mick Oxlong]

Here is the current clause from the CBA.

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf

13. Payment of Total Player Payment and Additional Services Agreements

(a) Each AFL Club must expend no less than 95% of the combined annual Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limits in Football Payments to Players on its List in each relevant year.
(b) Where an AFL Club does not expend the amount set out in clause 13(a) in payments to Players on its List, the AFL Club shall be required to pay to the AFL, any shortfall in Football Payments.
(c) The AFL shall advise AFLPA whether each Club has expended 95% of the combined annual Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limits in Football Payments and shall advise AFLPA of any shortfall by any AFL Club including the amount of such shortfall.
(d) Any shortfall will be distributed in an equitable manner between the Players in the relevant AFL Club in a manner determined by the AFL and AFLPA after consultation with the Players from that Club.
(e) AFL Clubs may spend over 100% of the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit (Combined Limit), if in any of the preceding three years the Club has spent below 100% of the Combined Limit.
(f) The permitted amount of overspend will be tied to the level of underspend in the relevant preceding period. For example, if a Club was $500,000 below the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit in 2017, and paid 100% of the Combined Limit in 2018 and 2019, the Club would be entitled to spend $500,000 above the Combined Limit in 2020. If a $500,000 overspend was not made in 2020, the Club has lost the right to overspend in 2021.
(g) It is agreed that the overspend amount is to be capped at a maximum of 105% of the Combined Limit in any given year.

What does it say? It’s Friday night, I don’t do...anything really!

 

[doona]

Can’t read the story.


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Everyone, Download firefox (Google Chrome have blocked good extensions). Install anti-paywall ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/anti-paywall/ ) You can read any article from anywhere it bypasses all paywalls.

 

[doona]

What does it say? It’s Friday night, I don’t do...anything really!

We know nothing about how much players are paid.... There are rules, but, we know nothing.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

We know nothing about how much players are paid.... There are rules, but, we know nothing.

Thanks. They should’ve written that, the other s**t looked far too long and complicated!

 

[swannyfan]

So montagna believing beams will end up at pies nxt wk. Scully and wingard to nominate hawfs. This is Terminator 4..rise of the Vics!

 

[DST]

Everyone, Download firefox (Google Chrome have blocked good extensions). Install anti-paywall ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/anti-paywall/ ) You can read any article from anywhere it bypasses all paywalls.

That article was written in Feb 2018 and said could from the start for a rule I can’t see.

Nothing post that for the last 8 months has indicated that he would be on the list in 2019.

Safe to say that it’s not the case.


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[doona]

That article was written in Feb 2018 and said could from the start for a rule I can’t see.

Nothing post that for the last 8 months has indicated that he would be on the list in 2019.

Safe to say that it’s not the case.


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Ahh, I thought it was a paywall issue. My bad.

 

[Mick Oxlong]

So montagna believing beams will end up at pies nxt wk. Scully and wingard to nominate hawfs. This is Terminator 4..rise of the Vics!

Montagna also believes he didn’t rape a girl but then again, he was never called into question for his part. Filth!

 

[Swansujelly]

Here is the current clause from the CBA.

http://www.aflplayers.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/2017-2022-CBA.pdf

13. Payment of Total Player Payment and Additional Services Agreements

(a) Each AFL Club must expend no less than 95% of the combined annual Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limits in Football Payments to Players on its List in each relevant year.
(b) Where an AFL Club does not expend the amount set out in clause 13(a) in payments to Players on its List, the AFL Club shall be required to pay to the AFL, any shortfall in Football Payments.
(c) The AFL shall advise AFLPA whether each Club has expended 95% of the combined annual Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limits in Football Payments and shall advise AFLPA of any shortfall by any AFL Club including the amount of such shortfall.
(d) Any shortfall will be distributed in an equitable manner between the Players in the relevant AFL Club in a manner determined by the AFL and AFLPA after consultation with the Players from that Club.
(e) AFL Clubs may spend over 100% of the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit (Combined Limit), if in any of the preceding three years the Club has spent below 100% of the Combined Limit.
(f) The permitted amount of overspend will be tied to the level of underspend in the relevant preceding period. For example, if a Club was $500,000 below the combined Total Player Payments and Additional Services Agreements limit in 2017, and paid 100% of the Combined Limit in 2018 and 2019, the Club would be entitled to spend $500,000 above the Combined Limit in 2020. If a $500,000 overspend was not made in 2020, the Club has lost the right to overspend in 2021.
(g) It is agreed that the overspend amount is to be capped at a maximum of 105% of the Combined Limit in any given year.

So if you dont spend 95, say 92, tha AFL receives the 3% difference and gives it back to the players at the sme club. Hmmm, wonder how many times that has happened. Bit of a loophole

 

[swannyfan]

Montagna also believes he didn’t rape a girl but then again, he was never called into question for his part. Filth!

Umm..ok? Not sure to like that or be disturbed by it?

 

[RUNVS]

Can trading be done on Saturday and Sunday?

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Umm..ok? Not sure to like that or be disturbed by it?

I’d rather you be disturbed by it, he’s a pig!

 

[Mick Oxlong]

Can trading be done on Saturday and Sunday?

Yes

 

[anotherletdown]

So montagna believing beams will end up at pies nxt wk. Scully and wingard to nominate hawfs. This is Terminator 4..rise of the Vics!

Where will the currency come from?
Collingwood have nothing to give and need points for Kelly and Quaynor.
Hawthorn likewise - no high quality picks and probably have less tradeable depth

The AFL has to get hold of this. Contracted players should only be able to speak to an opposition club once a trade value has been agreed... or just admit it’s a national comp in name only