Strategy Trade and List management Thread Part 2 (opposition supporters - READ posting rules before posting)

[threenewpadlocks]

So there is now no reason to delist anyone else because we dont have draft picks to cover them?

Draft picks extend for as long as you need need them. If we delisted every player we could theoretically be the only club drafting in the 20th, 21st round etc. It's just a formality to publish the first 8 rounds of picks or whatever.

 

[Phar Ace]

All I will say is back then every player looked like they were 100119373% behind Bev and his “story”. All smiles and mates

Very different look about them now imo and that was Bevs strength. I do worry that was his main tool and now it’s gone can he use others.

I think 2019 will tell us and unfortunately I’m not hopeful at all.

Understand where you are coming from. I suspect the difference this year is the moving on of Dahlhaus - may well release some tensions and you might see Boyd become a better player this year. A bit of the 100119373% behind Bev might be back. What to do about Libba though?!

 

[fronkalicious]

I haven't. Should i? Haha

You just remind me of a character from it.

Apologies for the thread derail.

Carry on.

 

[Rookie]

Jake Neade delisted. Do we take a look?

We need a fast, high-tackling small forward with a bit of goal sense. Isn't the knock on Neade that he isn't fast and doesn't tackle enough?

We just need a desperate terrier on the list for balance, especially if Dickson, Lloyd, Schache and Boyd are our forward line in 2019. Even moreso if we add Menzel or even - god forbid - Josh Green. Need to pair that forward line with someone tenacious and lighnting quick who has the ability to crumb the odd goal once the ball hits the deck.

There must be a guy in the WAFL or SANFL or VFL who provides these qualities. Cavarra? Yojimbo who do you recommend?

 

[Munnez]

Nah mate. Need to keep delisting blokes & drafting new blokes until you have 40+ elite players on the list

That worked out well for GWS

 

[Whoyagot]

Lo

We need a fast, high-tackling small forward with a bit of goal sense. Isn't the knock on Neade that he isn't fast and doesn't tackle enough?

We just need a desperate terrier on the list for balance, especially if Dickson, Lloyd, Schache and Boyd are our forward line in 2019. Even moreso if we add Menzel or even - god forbid - Josh Green. Need to pair that forward line with someone tenacious and lighnting quick who has the ability to crumb the odd goal once the ball hits the deck.

There must be a guy in the WAFL or SANFL or VFL who provides these qualities. Cavarra? Yojimbo who do you recommend?

Love the look of Cavarra

 

[flipper83]

We need a fast, high-tackling small forward with a bit of goal sense. Isn't the knock on Neade that he isn't fast and doesn't tackle enough?

We just need a desperate terrier on the list for balance, especially if Dickson, Lloyd, Schache and Boyd are our forward line in 2019. Even moreso if we add Menzel or even - god forbid - Josh Green. Need to pair that forward line with someone tenacious and lighnting quick who has the ability to crumb the odd goal once the ball hits the deck.

There must be a guy in the WAFL or SANFL or VFL who provides these qualities. Cavarra? Yojimbo who do you recommend?

Marlion Pickett in the wafl definitely had speed and skills. I'd love him with a late pick if available.

There's a video in the article.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/south-...th-fremantle-teammate-tim-kelly-ng-b88947699z

 

[Yojimbo]

Marlion Pickett in the wafl definitely had speed and skills. I'd love him with a late pick if available.

There's a video in the article.

https://thewest.com.au/sport/south-...th-fremantle-teammate-tim-kelly-ng-b88947699z

Marlion Pickett (26) , Matthew Parker (22), and Tim Kelly (24) all hail from South Fremantle the "Bulldogs". Funny enough
Matthew Parker was mentored by both and went to the same tattooist (Not Choir Boys).

 

[Yojimbo]

There must be a guy in the WAFL or SANFL or VFL who provides these qualities. Cavarra? Yojimbo who do you recommend?

You rang, You forgot the NEAFL, my top three for the "Rioli Files" were 1-Shane McAdam (Adel), 2-Mathew Parker, 3-Michael Mummery.
If you want a pressure small forward the two from Willy Ben Cavarra and Lachie Schulz fit the bill with Schulz being the more hungry
for a tackle of the two. Schulz I find a bit sloppy while Cavarra is a lot cleaner and a better assist player, hope this helps.

 

[Mofra]

Marlion Pickett (26) , Matthew Parker (22), and Tim Kelly (24) all hail from South Fremantle the "Bulldogs". Funny enough
Matthew Parker was mentored by both and went to the same tattooist (Not Choir Boys).

Reading the D&T board some seem to rate Parker highly - mid range pick highly.

I agree with the post above - a small tenacious tackling machine in the F50 is a definite need and I was disappointed we didn't get one during the trade period.

 

[Yojimbo]

Reading the D&T board some seem to rate Parker highly - mid range pick highly.

I agree with the post above - a small tenacious tackling machine in the F50 is a definite need and I was disappointed we didn't get one during the trade period.

I did a top twenty five two days ago and the Eagles got him at Pick 22, but I rate him highly. I had Tim Kelly at Pick 21 last year
also to the Eagles and he went alright. Toby McLean was our leading tackler this year for memory so if Tom Liberatore returns
could Toby McLean become that pressure small forward that you yearn for, just spit balling.

 

[Lex22]

We need a fast, high-tackling small forward with a bit of goal sense. Isn't the knock on Neade that he isn't fast and doesn't tackle enough?

We just need a desperate terrier on the list for balance, especially if Dickson, Lloyd, Schache and Boyd are our forward line in 2019. Even moreso if we add Menzel or even - god forbid - Josh Green. Need to pair that forward line with someone tenacious and lighnting quick who has the ability to crumb the odd goal once the ball hits the deck.

There must be a guy in the WAFL or SANFL or VFL who provides these qualities. Cavarra? Yojimbo who do you recommend?

Just wasn’t getting enough of a crack at senior level over the last 2 years, averaged 6 tackles and 17 touches in the SANFL this season. Not sure any of these others getting mentioned are getting them sort of numbers.

I think it’s a bit of a no brainer getting him. He’s clearly what our list needs right now, is cheap and at the right age.

 

[JJHunter]

I did a top twenty five two days ago and the Eagles got him at Pick 22, but I rate him highly. I had Tim Kelly at Pick 21 last year
also to the Eagles and he went alright. Toby McLean was our leading tackler this year for memory so if Tom Liberatore returns
could Toby McLean become that pressure small forward that you yearn for, just spit balling.

For me Toby is too important around the ball as the only really mid we have that explodes from a stoppage.
Him taking 5-10 metres gets everything going. Most of our other mid are stationary at stoppages - including Tom when he returns.

Richmond have shown IMO that it doesnt take a hugley talented player to be that pressure small fwd.
You look at paper and its not like some of the guys they had through there (especially in Riolis absence) were that skilled in footballing talent alone.
But speed and a thirst for a tackle and being at the fall of a ball (as important) are the key attributes. Why I like the addition of cavarra should we go there.

 

[Northernsoul74]

For me Toby is too important around the ball as the only really mid we have that explodes from a stoppage.
Him taking 5-10 metres gets everything going. Most of our other mid are stationary at stoppages - including Tom when he returns.

Richmond have shown IMO that it doesnt take a hugley talented player to be that pressure small fwd.
You look at paper and its not like some of the guys they had through there (especially in Riolis absence) were that skilled in footballing talent alone.
But speed and a thirst for a tackle and being at the fall of a ball (as important) are the key attributes. Why I like the addition of cavarra should we go there.

Is Cavarra quick?

 

[LittleG]

I have been thinking that we could start looking at a different draft strategy:
1. Take players in round 1 of draft
2. Take academy & mature age players in later rounds.
3. Only take highly motivated and high work rate kids, academy kids or mature agers in the rookie draft.

We don't need more young developing players than what we can get through our academy OR first round.

Mature players will push our current players in training and in on field performance.

Make it happen Power.

 

[Yojimbo]

Is Cavarra quick?

Cavarra is quick in the mind and a crafty forward far more important than pure leg speed alone, but if you are small you
do need a point of difference in my opinion at AFL level. Castagna, Butler, Rioli even Higgins can turn you around very
quickly, but the chase and tackle is their one wood.

 

[Deadly Darcy]

All I will say is back then every player looked like they were 100119373% behind Bev and his “story”. All smiles and mates

Very different look about them now imo and that was Bevs strength. I do worry that was his main tool and now it’s gone can he use others.

I think 2019 will tell us and unfortunately I’m not hopeful at all.

Agree with this which is why it’s not a bad thing some of the flag winners have been turned over. Dahl, Stringer and Biggs all loved the ride and hit their pinnicle on love and emotion yadayada but once they hit it I think the lack of professionalism undid them. 2016 was a flag won on love and story. Once that was done there wasn’t enough hard drive to go again. The clean out is done (not sure about Libba - he wanted to kill the ghosts of his father to some extent as a player and bulldog fan so not sure we’ll see the same “kill myself for a flag libba” ever again) but I think the remaining players either haven’t won one or are more professionally driven. Anyway - could be a build up for a couple of years but I think Bev can rebuild the cameradery with a new young group.

 

[Sharkey66]

Reading the D&T board some seem to rate Parker highly - mid range pick highly.

I agree with the post above - a small tenacious tackling machine in the F50 is a definite need and I was disappointed we didn't get one during the trade period.

Honeychurch would be the perfect player for that role if he could only dispose of the ball properly.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Anyone else getting a bit dubious as to whether Libba will re-sign?

 

[Claythesmiths]

Anyone else getting a bit dubious as to whether Libba will re-sign?

Have been for a while. If it was obvious he was playing with us next year the contract would have been signed weeks ago.

 

[Norm De Guerre]

Anyone else getting a bit dubious as to whether Libba will re-sign?

It’s quite odd. That there is a possibility that he has been lumped in with the likes of Campbell and Honeychurch and left to see what shakes out between the draft and final list lodgement is a concern.

On the other hand the club during the post season doldrums does tend to like spreading out good news stories and releasing them strategically whenever they see fit.

 

[Bulldogs Legend]

Anyone else getting a bit dubious as to whether Libba will re-sign?

Wasn’t it reported the club wanted him to do some things first after he got back before the deal was done?
Either way it doesn’t seem that he will go anywhere else so expect the news soon.


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[McCraeBF]

Our group of followers is as good as any other that Collingwoods..
Richards,Picken,Jong,Mclean,Wallis,Daniel,Dunkley,Williams then our 4 A graders Bonti,Macca,Hunter,Libba.

Our group of Tall Backman is strong..
Morris,Naughton,Wood,Cordy,Trengrove,Cordy,Young.Khamis

Our Tall Forwards im not sure off..
Schache,Boyd,Bonti,........................????

Our small Backs are very strong.
Williams,Richards,Suckling,Daniel,JJ,Crozier,Durea

Our small forwards are young but classy but need is there...???
McLean,Gowers,Richards,West,Daniel,Dickson,Loyd

Rucks...again hard one.
English is going to be amazing,
Trengrove,Boyd

So the 3 positions that seem to be our weakness are..

Ruck
Small fast forward
Tall forward

Options.Draft
1.King(Safe bet and could be the steal ) this would also let Bonti play on the ball.
2.Draft Rozzee or Smith small classy forwards

or trade pick 7 and next years second round for GWS picks 9,11 (Hill fast small classy forward and Bailey Williams 200cm chf)

or trade pick 7 and next years 2nd round for Adelaide's picks 8,13 (Hill and Williams)

this would fix our balance issue and bring in class...

What a draft......
Hill
Williams
West
Khamis
Gowers
Lynch

 

[Dannnnnnnnnn]

Quick mock up of an ideal-ish off season given moves so far:

Out: Dahlhaus (FA), Adams (trd), Roughead (trd), Biggs (ret), Smith (ret), Redpath (ret), Collins (del), Honeychurch (del), Campbell (del), Mullenger-McHugh (del)

In: Duryea (trd), Lloyd (trd)

Pick 7 - Rozee / Smith / Clark
Pick 19 - JMac bids on West for lols, matched with picks 27 and 32. Pick 35 received in exchange.
Pick 35 - Jacob Kennerley (184cm outside mid)
Pick 45 - that one player that kicks goals good
Pick 51ish - Khamis bid, matched with pick 63 and receive pick 69 in return.
Pick 69 - Billy Gowers (rookie upgrade)
Pick 75 - Brad Lynch (rookie upgrade)

Rookie pick 1 - Ben Cavarra (22 year old, 175cm forward)
Rookie pick 2 - a football player
Rookie pick 3 - Tom Campbell (Western Bulldogs)

Key forward, goal-kicking/pressure forward, inside mid would probably be targets at the other picks.

 

[Munnez]

Our group of followers is as good as any other that Collingwoods..
Richards,Picken,Jong,Mclean,Wallis,Daniel,Dunkley,Williams then our 4 A graders Bonti,Macca,Hunter,Libba.

Our group of Tall Backman is strong..
Morris,Naughton,Wood,Cordy,Trengrove,Cordy,Young.Khamis

Our Tall Forwards im not sure off..
Schache,Boyd,Bonti,........................????

Our small Backs are very strong.
Williams,Richards,Suckling,Daniel,JJ,Crozier,Durea

Our small forwards are young but classy but need is there...???
McLean,Gowers,Richards,West,Daniel,Dickson,Loyd

Rucks...again hard one.
English is going to be amazing,
Trengrove,Boyd

So the 3 positions that seem to be our weakness are..

Ruck
Small fast forward
Tall forward

Options.Draft
1.King(Safe bet and could be the steal ) this would also let Bonti play on the ball.
2.Draft Rozzee or Smith small classy forwards

or trade pick 7 and next years second round for GWS picks 9,11 (Hill fast small classy forward and Bailey Williams 200cm chf)

or trade pick 7 and next years 2nd round for Adelaide's picks 8,13 (Hill and Williams)

this would fix our balance issue and bring in class...

What a draft......
Hill
Williams
West
Khamis
Gowers
Lynch

Twomey has Williams possibly still on the boards at the Hawks 1st pick in the 50's wouldn't be using 11 on him
May have a dip at 32 to develop for later imo