Should a Victorian team move part time to Gold Coast?

[gillo94]

If Tasmania gets a team, I think it's pretty clear that both North and Hawks would be told to **** off regardless of what city it's located in.

No, just North Melbourne. Hawks will stay in Launceston. Logic says new Tassie team would be based in Hobart.

 

[Rob]

Should a vic team move to Gold Coast and settle part time 4 games a year. Suns look like aren’t a viable entity and a vic club should move in.

Hawks and North play 4 games a year in Tasmania. Bulldogs play up in Ballarat. Demons play 2 games a year in NT. Why can’t someone else play 4 games a year at Metricon and put in a proposal to AFL. Suns more likely to fold.

If Blues were given a proposal to play
7 home games in Vic and 3 games at Metricon and 1 at Townsville. AFL will give extra $3-$4 mill a year for that arrangement I wouldn’t mind.

So you don't want the Suns playing on the Gold Coast coz they're s**t, but you'd be happy to see an even shittier team play part time instead?

wtaf

 

[gillo94]

So you don't want the Suns playing on the Gold Coast coz they're s**t, but you'd be happy to see an even shittier team play part time instead?

wtaf

Difference is Vic clubs have the advantage that Queensland clubs don’t and is talent is generated from Victoria as it’s an AFL state. Don’t have the terrible burden that Suns do. Essendon Blues and StK won’t be bad forever because of that while every Suns gun will want to return back home, we see it every year. Gold Coast doesn’t care about AFL, why force it down their throats? Give them 3-4 games a year and that’s sufficient.

 

[Rob]

Difference is Vic clubs have the advantage that Queensland clubs don’t and is talent is generated from Victoria as it’s an AFL state. Don’t have the terrible burden that Suns do. Essendon Blues and StK won’t be bad forever because of that while every Suns gun will want to return back home, we see it every year. Gold Coast doesn’t care about AFL, why force it down their throats? Give them 3-4 games a year and that’s sufficient.

Their crowds seem OK despite being s**t - roughly on par with a few Victorian clubs when they play interstate opposition. You'd think they'd fill the joint if they were adecent side, so why get rid of them just because they're run by muppets? You can apply that argument to a number of sides - including Carlton.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark and say the OP is a blues supporter resident on the GC.

For some unfathomable reason he imagines the AFL will restructure itself to permit him to see his team play locally more often.

 

[gillo94]

Their crowds seem OK despite being s**t - roughly on par with a few Victorian clubs when they play interstate opposition. You'd think they'd fill the joint if they were adecent side, so why get rid of them just because they're run by muppets? You can apply that argument to a number of sides - including Carlton.

Bottom 6 last year

Carlton Fremantle StK Bulldogs all from AFL states and all have established supporter bases and established history/culture. Lions non AFL state but established. Like the Storm in Melbourne.

Suns not established and locals again don’t care about AFL. Not sure as you say how they get the crowds.

2019 can’t see any improvement for Suns while Blues should improve, won’t play finals but will improve and draw very favourable so you will be eating your words. Young list only getting better, shame only playing playing Dockers once in 2019. But we have Suns twice.

 

[gillo94]

I'm gonna take a wild stab in the dark and say the OP is a blues supporter resident on the GC.

For some unfathomable reason he imagines the AFL will restructure itself to permit him to see his team play locally more often.

Yeah just like all Hawks supporters live in Tassie

 

[Roylion]

Don’t think

Indeed.

Lions don’t need s merger. Suns on other hand need success and be able to reach out to the locals to jump on board.

The Gold Coast Suns have been in the AFL competition for only eight years.

They are a generational project. The Suns already have better training facilities than the Brisbane Lions (hopefully that will change soon), a 24,526 seat home ground, over 12,000 members and average home crowd of 13,000. And that's after finishing 15th, 17th and 17th over the past three seasons. That would seem to suggest that they have established a base that they can build upon with a bit of on-field success.

In 2014, when they finished in their highest ladder position (12th), the Suns made just over a $1 million profit.

If can’t need fold. Might be financially viable as you say but at what cost?

You tell me. You're the one arguing for their removal.

If something isn’t working out, why keep it alive?

Really? I thought the answer to that would be obvious.

2050 projected populations (Australia is projected to have 37.6 million)

• Tasmania - possibly 650,000 (The Tasmanian Government has set a target to grow the population to 650,000 people by 2050 to drive economic growth)
  
• Sydney - 7.7 million
  
• South East Queensland - 6 million (including Gold Coast's 1.1 million and Brisbane's 4.2 million).

It's bleedingly obvious why the AFL established second clubs in Sydney and South-East Queensland and why they will continue to support them financially. The long term benefits are going to be immense and the AFL are clearly looking at a long term strategy.

Unfortunately some people can't see beyond anything than this year.

The AFL are looking long term. 30 years down the track the situation is very likely to be different. Continued exposure of AFL at all levels will see growth in participation rates and interest. For example there was a 16.87 per cent increase in Australian rules competition participants across club, school, and AFL9s between 2015 and 2016 in Queensland alone. The introduction of the AFL Queensland Schools Cup in 2016 sparked an increase of almost 25% in school participants (419 teams). Female football was one of the fastest growing sectors of the game in Queensland with 87,185 Queensland women and girls playing Australia’s game in 2016 – a jump of 22 per cent. The Auskick recorded a 15 per cent increase in club and community run programs in Queensland.

In 2017 overall participation across all levels of the game in Queensland jumped 10.21 per cent to a record 252,624.

So 30 years down the track with more young people playing AFL that will translate into greater adult interest, greater crowds and greater membership. For young elite athletes there are clear pathways to play at the highest level in Queensland, instead of adopting alternative sports. Having two teams in Queensland enables more Queensland footballers to do that.

The AFL want to capture a significant slice of the massive population growth in South East Queensland and they're well on the way to doing so.

Establishing the Gold Coast Suns as a second AFL club in Queensland is an important step to ensuring that happens.

 

[Jibroni]

Play all the derbies there.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

In the event Suns fold. Makes no sense another team playing up at Metricon while Suns still in existence. Would only be part time proposal too not a permanent move.

The Suns won't be folding, moving, or anything else any time soon. Things look pretty grim right now for GC, but both the new clubs were always going to take 30-40 years.

 

[Shoei]

Don’t think my bad. Lions don’t need s merger. Suns on other hand need success and be able to reach out to the locals to jump on board. If can’t need fold. Might be financially viable as you say but at what cost?

If something isn’t working out, why keep it alive? The idea of a Victorian team or 2 Victorian teams playing 2-4 games a year at Metricon, set up shop like the Hawks have done could be a good idea. Hawks have done reasonably well out of it. The city of Gold Coast might not need a full team team there, they could profit more out of a part time team playing 4 games a year there, follow an already established team with past success rather than a newly established team with no success and up and down culture. Carlton, St Kilda or Essendon might do well out of it with the Gold Coast locals.

The same reason we keep asking why North/St Kilda/Bulldogs are still around? Because the AFL has decided that's the way it is going to be.

Why do you think the rest of the country should constantly be lumped with poor performing Vic clubs trooping in to town like a 100 year old rotting carnival? What are the chances of Hawks or North playing a final in Taz? None, because they only want the $$$ and don't give a * about the supporters there.

And people want to claim the interstate clubs as "Franchises"

 

[Ithinkimgawnalever]

No, just North Melbourne. Hawks will stay in Launceston. Logic says new Tassie team would be based in Hobart.

No chance. If a Tassie club ever did eventuate the only clubs that played down there would be away vs Hobart.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Collingwood would. From memory Eddie offered to play 11 home games at the G, 6 away games at the G and 5 away games at GC.

What a guy, mercifully sacrificing other clubs’ home games.

 

[AstonSouffle]

They'll never fold, but they seriously need to give their jumper a tweak and have a better look at their logo. Plus dull the colours just a smidge so they aren't so damn loud and out of place.

Screams the branding Port & Freo had when they came in.

With the colours the Suns have I don't see why they had to go so abstract to begin with..

 

[_Mike_]

The AFL will persist with the Suns, the problems stemmed from the way the GCS were initially set up and where the AFL failed in that aspect, it went much better with the Giants.

Unfortunately it might be 1 step forward 2 steps back for a short time, but they'll get there.

 

[Benny78]

Just relocate Gold coast to Darwin or Broome. We already have another team in that region

 

[Colonial]

Just relocate Gold coast to Darwin or Broome. We already have another team in that region

You follow a club that has 9 other teams in the same region.

Using your logic.

 

[Benny78]

You follow a club that has 9 other teams in the same region.

Using your logic.

Except it's a Victorian game and they are heritage clubs. The other clubs are plastic guests and will always be sacrificed before those teams.

 

[Colonial]

Except it's a Victorian game and they are heritage clubs. The other clubs are plastic guests and will always be sacrificed before those teams.

Actually its Australias game and an Australian competition. Vics like yourself need to start accepting that.

There is no way the National body will boot any clubs in the dual club states. Wont happen.

Ahh the ol plastic comment by a traditionalist.

Need to think up a better product.
Plastic lasts a very long time.

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[Tandy]

The only thing this idea would do is steal potential supporters away from the suns

 

[Benny78]

Actually its Australias game and an Australian competition. Vics like yourself need to start accepting that.

There is no way the National body will boot any clubs in the dual club states. Wont happen.

Ahh the ol plastic comment by a traditionalist.

Need to think up a better product.
Plastic lasts a very long time.

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Plastics get disposed of and recycled into something else! Gold Coast to Darwin sounds like a wonderful idea imo

 

[Colonial]

Plastics get disposed of and recycled into something else! Gold Coast to Darwin sounds like a wonderful idea imo

Nah. More likely a Victorian team will move before any of the non vic clubs.

Maybe a team that's regions industry just shat itself and they are 1 of 10 teams from the one region...

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[Rob]

Except it's a Victorian game and they are heritage clubs. The other clubs are plastic guests and will always be sacrificed before those teams.

Always? You mean like Fitzroy?

 

[Toump Ass]

I have no idea what to say about this idea. It's just so dumb.

 

[Toump Ass]

AFL would lose millions in revenue if any club was to fold, and on top of that they should give 4 million a year to Carlton to play there.

Goddamn.