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If we play our cards right we might get him 20 or so games by 2025.
2 players are usually better than one.
Lynch is integral to our forward line. His lead up link role is super important. Geelong always tag him because he is so important to us kicking a winning score.We could transition lynch to the backline to play as a rebounding defender ala Sicily??
Fog will play at least 15 games in 2019.
Crows have been known to put the games into talented youngsters early. Fogarty played 10 games in his first season. We will be looking to get at least another 15 games into Fogarty in 2019.
We’ll bring him through. I am not worried. I think the key to getting him games next year is to add speed to our 22 in general. If Fog can be relied on to swing back when our tall defenders have spells then he should be worth a spot on the bench in our best 22.
But he isn’t ahead of JJ, Tex or Lynch yet and we can’t play all 4 on the field at the same time.
We're only known for that by people who don't bother to check and think that 10 games is a heavy investment.
Here's the games played by people drafted before Fogarty. I've not looked into number of weeks available for selection due to injury, but note that Bonar in particular had pre-season difficulties.
Rayner - 22
Brayshaw- 17
Dow- 20
Davies-Uniake- 7
Cerra - 21
Stephenson- 26
Clark - 15
Coffield - 10
Naughton - 18
O'Brien - 18
Bonar - 4
10 games is not a significant investment of games, it's on the lighter end of the scale, and if we were to follow your suggested course we'd, after 2 seasons, have invested as many games as some teams did after one.
Edit: I should round out the first round perhaps:
Brander: 1
Ling: 0
Bailey: 12
Richards: 21
Higgins: 20
Starchevic: 4
So this is your argument?! Get called out on comparing apples and oranges and you come back with that?!Do your own analysis.
This is precisely the point objected to.
We need to do away with this failed selection policy whereby we insist that young players will be given games if, and only if, they manage to entirely displace peaked and mediocre senior players through performance (said performance to be demonstrated in ways that are not clear, but involves not being given the opportunity to perform), and in which benefit of the doubt goes to senior players.
Fog is our future. We should be investing games into that so that by the time that we need him he's got a significant base of top level experience to rely upon.
We don’t want to go all Neil Craig on him either aka Walker held back for a good couple of years. Hoping another solid pre-season will help his engine. Big men like him do take time. I also hope he is what we think he will be.I’m not against giving Fog the gold pass at all. But he simply isn’t ready to take the place of those 3 talls. His fitness is miles off AFL standard for one. He is going to be a star and I can’t wait to watch him come through but he isn’t at that level yet.
You want to give him games, but not at the expense of his health and risking potential injury. He was clearly gassed, even in the SANFL during the second half of the year. They'll need to monitor his work load while he's still getting his fitness base up to AFL standard. It's not a matter of just chucking him out there, he needs to be physically capable as well.This is precisely the point objected to.
We need to do away with this failed selection policy whereby we insist that young players will be given games if, and only if, they manage to entirely displace peaked and mediocre senior players through performance (said performance to be demonstrated in ways that are not clear, but involves not being given the opportunity to perform), and in which benefit of the doubt goes to senior players.
Fog is our future. We should be investing games into that so that by the time that we need him he's got a significant base of top level experience to rely upon.
So this is your argument?! Get called out on comparing apples and oranges and you come back with that?!
Not surprised in the slightest!
I’m not against giving Fog the gold pass at all. But he simply isn’t ready to take the place of those 3 talls. His fitness is miles off AFL standard for one. He is going to be a star and I can’t wait to watch him come through but he isn’t at that level yet.
We don’t want to go all Neil Craig on him either aka Walker held back for a good couple of years. Hoping another solid pre-season will help his engine. Big men like him do take time. I also hope he is what we think he will be.
Second pre-season down, he doesnt develop a tank?
Why do we think that our young players are substantially less able to do basic things like run than other clubs draftees?
No, to some degree this is an attempt to have your cake and eat it too.
The initial proposition was that Fog shouldnt play because we can't pick him in the same team as Jenkins and Jenkins should get priority. I objected to that proposition. If the issue is crowding then we indeed should have traded Jenkins.
If the substance of the argument is now something different, i.e. Fog isnt able to play because he's apparently unable to sustain movement for extended periods of time, I think that's still crap, but it might draw a different response.
Let's just lock on one argument can we, without changing the goal posts.
No, I don't think it is a bit of both. I think it's very much one or the other.
Either he's simply not fit enough to play, which is in no way dependent upon who's in front of him or he's fit enough to play but not currently displacing established players.
If the suggestion is that he could play, but only if we moved those players in front of him, then he should play. We should move those players.
Ok, lets assume his fitness is fine. How do you justify playing him in place of JJ for 2019. He hasn't reached that level of output. Are you just going to sacrifice 2019 so we can develop one player?
Do you reckon Carlton would trade pick one for Jenkins? It would improve their 2019 line up.
Why / why not?
No of course not. Cause he isn't even worth a first rounder, let alone pick 1.