List Mgmt. Carlton's 2018 Draft Thread (cont. in Part 2)

[HARKER]

Who is the best player in the draft in your view ?

For which club and what has that to do with my response to TSG?

 

[Arr0w]

For which club and what has that to do with my response to TSG?

Our club

 

[GT619]

Not sure what to think. What’s everyone’s else’s thoughts

 

[La Dispute]

Not sure what to think. What’s everyone’s else’s thoughts

Would do Luko and Rozee over Walsh in a heartbeat. Would borderline do either over Walsh too

 

[HARKER]

Our club

Rankine...Walsh.....Lukosius/Rozee

Rankine because he fills the biggest hole and is afforded opportunity from day 1. We back ourselves in his development.
Walsh because he's an ideal fit into our midfield for now. Pushes the quality and leadership aspect for the club from the bottom up
Lukosius because I'd hate to miss on a generational player. Seriously though, he does have qualities that fit into any regime.
Rozee because of the upside and for the fact (imagination) of having a quality forward/midfielder.

 

[Arr0w]

Rankine...Walsh.....Lukosius/Rozee

Rankine because he fills the biggest hole and is afforded opportunity from day 1. We back ourselves in his development.
Walsh because he's an ideal fit into our midfield for now. Pushes the quality and leadership aspect for the club from the bottom up
Lukosius because I'd hate to miss on a generational player. Seriously though, he does have qualities that fit into any regime.
Rozee because of the upside and for the fact (imagination) of having a quality forward/midfielder.

Would you give up Dow and SPS for any of those players?

 

[Yubby]

So if we were to trade 1 for 3 and 6... do we think Luko and Rozee would be on the table? Realistically we know it's 90% likely to be 2 of 5 players (Luko, Rozee, Rankine, King, Smith) but i wouldn't think they'd both necessarily be on the board at 3 and 6 as we want them to be.

I mean if i was GC i'd take Walsh and Luko at 1 and 2. Then there's nothing stopping Ade going for pick 4 knowing that Luko, Rozee, Rankine would all be gone at 8. Unless we took Rozee at 3, which some may consider a reach, we could end up not getting either player especially if Port took him at 5.

I like the concept, i'd just want to be pretty sure we knew what the plans were of the other clubs in terms of who they want at their picks. I'd be happy with any combo of players talked about in the top 6 with the exception of King.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

So if we were to trade 1 for 3 and 6... do we think Luko and Rozee would be on the table? Realistically we know it's 90% likely to be 2 of 5 players (Luko, Rozee, Rankine, King, Smith) but i wouldn't think they'd both necessarily be on the board at 3 and 6 as we want them to be.

I mean if i was GC i'd take Walsh and Luko at 1 and 2. Then there's nothing stopping Ade going for pick 4 knowing that Luko, Rozee, Rankine would all be gone at 8. Unless we took Rozee at 3, which some may consider a reach, we could end up not getting either player especially if Port took him at 5.

I like the concept, i'd just want to be pretty sure we knew what the plans were of the other clubs in terms of who they want at their picks. I'd be happy with any combo of players talked about in the top 6 with the exception of King.

it doesn't really matter about who the second player we take is.

the rationale is if smith=walsh=rankine then it simply nets as another pick inside the top 10 in addition to the elite player X we take with our first pick (whether that be 1 or 3)

FWIW i can't see any reason the gold coast would make this trade on face value.

 

[Blubagger71]

Think about the following

2 players, similar pace and endurance, resting 3 times a quarter = arrive to a contest at the same time

2 players, similar pace and endurance, resting once a quarter = ??

True but it is not the like for like who are most impacted by this type of rule. Players who are quicker or have a bigger tank exploit players who are less adept in these areas and rely on a rest to keep up. They always get found in the end! After a while, coaches will work around that too.

 

[HARKER]

Would you give up Dow and SPS for any of those players?

Can't see a practical situation how that may come about.
We have what we have and we have to invest into our people and not try and play musical chairs for possibly marginal gains.
We want to foster a culture of investment into the club from our players at this point in time, we don't start selling off our perceived 'mistakes'

It's not even all about the individuals but the buy-in that comes about for putting in place a culture that's tangible and seductive.
I couldn't be happier right now for the appointment of Cripps and Docherty and see this as much more important against any single Walsh, Smith or Jones.

The baker seems to be putting the right ingredients together for a good bread. Let's let him bake it now without any remarks for us not taking aboard our personal faves. (No Fan-boys involved)

 

[Blubagger71]

Oh Lordy!!! The Walsh Fanboy Club isn't going to be impressed.......at all.

You're a cheeky minx Aphrodite

Really though? Needed?

 

[Blubagger71]

So if we were to trade 1 for 3 and 6... do we think Luko and Rozee would be on the table? Realistically we know it's 90% likely to be 2 of 5 players (Luko, Rozee, Rankine, King, Smith) but i wouldn't think they'd both necessarily be on the board at 3 and 6 as we want them to be.

I mean if i was GC i'd take Walsh and Luko at 1 and 2. Then there's nothing stopping Ade going for pick 4 knowing that Luko, Rozee, Rankine would all be gone at 8. Unless we took Rozee at 3, which some may consider a reach, we could end up not getting either player especially if Port took him at 5.

I like the concept, i'd just want to be pretty sure we knew what the plans were of the other clubs in terms of who they want at their picks. I'd be happy with any combo of players talked about in the top 6 with the exception of King.

Good call and we will never know. Fun to consider though.
I know it's FOMO but, I can't help but think about doing the trade, Walsh becoming a star and missing the intended targets anyway. Everytime we played GC, if Walsh and Luko killed us, because GC screw us and take him anyway, Carlton BF crew would cry a storm.

 

[Arr0w]

Can't see a practical situation how that may come about.
We have what we have and we have to invest into our people and not try and play musical chairs for possibly marginal gains.
We want to foster a culture of investment into the club from our players at this point in time, we don't start selling off our perceived 'mistakes'

It's not even all about the individuals but the buy-in that comes about for putting in place a culture that's tangible and seductive.
I couldn't be happier right now for the appointment of Cripps and Docherty and see this as much more important against any single Walsh, Smith or Jones.

Not what I was implying

Surely, you would forego Walsh for any 2 of Lukosius, Smith, Rozee, Rankine, Kings, Caldwell?

 

[HARKER]

Not what I was implying

Surely, you would forego Walsh for any 2 of Lukosius, Smith, Rozee, Rankine, Kings, Caldwell?

I'm not relative to the situation and I've already stated that I would take two of most of that mix above Walsh, but only because the right coverage presents.
Given I had Rankine at #1 alone, suggests that would have been the case, but we're in a somewhat luxurious and obviously ignorant position in respect to the bigger picture.

I don't know what the bigger picture nor plans are, but one thing we do know though, is that you can't bank on anything this far out. (i.e. Shiel didn't work out)
We're back to allowing the baker to bake the bread. We have no choice.

 

[Arr0w]

True but it is not the like for like who are most impacted by this type of rule. Players who are quicker or have a bigger tank exploit players who are less adept in these areas and rely on a rest to keep up. They always get found in the end! After a while, coaches will work around that too.

Modifying the interchange numbers will have next to no effect on congestion, things that will though

• Throwing the ball up straight away at a stoppage
• Throwing the ball in straight away from a boundary throw in
• Eliminating nominations for a ruck contest
• Stop interchange movements after a goal/ball up/boundary throw in

As a recruitment strategy, if they do reduce the number of interchanges, draft players that can play multiple positions, such as midfielders, allowing them to get a breather while resting forward.

It is not the best endurance players that have the advantage, it is the players that return to normal heart rate quicker

 

[Doro]

I can see why Carlton would do pick 1 for 3 & 6. I can't see why GC would.

 

[HARKER]

I can see why Carlton would do pick 1 for 3 & 6. I can't see why GC would.

Excuse the repetition but the only reason they may is because they feel that retention at the top end of the draft may be best served by bringing in tow at a time.
Two top ten picks in 2018 and two top ten picks guaranteed in 2019. That's all I have and that may only apply to Gold Coast, as other teams may not look at this is a favourable ploy.

I don't even think GC would ultimately do it, but I guess it keeps us going here.

 

[Blubagger71]

Modifying the interchange numbers will have next to no effect on congestion, things that will though

• Throwing the ball up straight away at a stoppage
• Throwing the ball in straight away from a boundary throw in
• Eliminating nominations for a ruck contest
• Stop interchange movements after a goal/ball up/boundary throw in

As a recruitment strategy, if they do reduce the number of interchanges, draft players that can play multiple positions, such as midfielders, allowing them to get a breather while resting forward.

It is not the best endurance players that have the advantage, it is the players that return to normal heart rate quicker

Completely agree and they take advantage of players who can't recover quickly, not necessarily in congested situations but when play opens up or they open it up.
I hope there are a suit of rules to open up the game, not just a forlorn single rule so the AFL can say, "See, I told you."

 

[Doro]

Excuse the repetition but the only reason they may is because they feel that retention at the top end of the draft may be best served by bringing in tow at a time.
Two top ten picks in 2018 and two top ten picks guaranteed in 2019. That's all I have and that may only apply to Gold Coast, as other teams may not look at this is a favourable ploy.

I don't even think GC would ultimately do it, but I guess it keeps us going here.

Just delaying their rebuild by a year, but something to chat about I guess.

 

[kjr8]

Biggest damper to congestion would be umpires not waiting 20 seconds for all the players to arrive before a ball up.

Second biggest change to stop congestion is get rid of the nomination for ruck. You’d remove another few seconds it gives players to get to the stoppage.

I mean seriously. Just penalise a team if more than one goes up for the contest. Who gives a **** about nominating. It adds nothing.

If umpires also knew the HTB and incorrect disposal rules, then there’d be less stoppages. I don’t think “he tried to kick” is in the game’s charter.


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[mmhau]

I just can’t see this happening. Port I think have pick 5

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Who is the best player in the draft in your view ?

Walsh
Lukosius
Rozee

 

[Arr0w]

Walsh
Lukosius
Rozee

So wouldn't it be great that we can get our hands on 2 of them rather than just 1

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

So wouldn't it be great that we can get our hands on 2 of them rather than just 1

Yeah undeniably. Just don’t see it happening. Expanding my list I don’t think I even have smith in the top 7... I don’t mind trading for extra top end picks. Just really don’t see it happening. I’m sure sos would jump on 3 and 6. Doubt it’s really on the table.

 

[Jeremias]

Pick one for picks 3 and 6?

Now we're talking!

Have always said I would be more than happy to see Walsh in navy blue but have also said trading pick one for the right offer makes a hell of a lot of sense.

Two picks inside the top 6 of this draft is the right offer and leaves us with an incredibly strong draft hand.

I'm not convinced we'd take Lukosius and Rozee but clearly that would be one of a number of very positive outcomes come draft day.

Still think ultimately we will take pick one to the draft but if we did a move like this it could really give us a significant boost along the rebuild. Pull the trigger Blues!