Player Watch Ryan Burton

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Simon_Nesbit thanks for that summary, much appreciated.

Hopefully if he plays down back he'll learn from Nathan Bassett who is probably our strongest coach at communicating a plan, strategy and positioning to the players on his line. Our mid and forward line coaches are both new, so will remain to be seen how he learns positioning in those areas.
 

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Next year will be thirty seasons since Ryan's old man kicked North Adelaide's only goal in the 1989 grand final. Would love to see a highlights package on the big screen for the first home game of the season :D
 
Rising Power said:
Next year will be thirty seasons since Ryan's old man kicked North Adelaide's only goal in the 1989 grand final. Would love to see a highlights package on the big screen for the first home game of the season :D
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better still.. get Craig Burton out to kick the first goal of the game in Round 1
 
Magus said:
It should probably be made available again at some point in the near future. To the right person.
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I reckon Burton is gonna have enough pressure on him without us saddling him with #35 as well. Although maybe giving Burton #35 would be a symbolic reminder of how Chad Cornes and co cost us our franchise player and then shitcanned him on the way out.
 
Imagine a half back line of

Burton, Lienert, Bonner

..would be like an "Advertiser Team of the Week" HB line circa 1989.
 
Simon_Nesbit said:
Perversely, so am I. I don't think Ryan was particularly well suited to the roles we had given him - IMO the plan was to develop a more rounded player as he fully recovered from his injuries - but perhaps I over-rated his ability (or at least the HFC coaches confidence in it) to put it all together.

He dominated AFLx, and then badly hurt his ankle just before Rd.1 He wasn't 100% until at least mid-year, a regular surprise to see him on the team-sheet after not, or barely training during the week.

He definitely has the tools. A naturally smart forward, good leading patterns, fitted into a forward-line well, and an excellent judge of flight - one-on-one will win more battles than most forwards due to excellent early body-position. Awful set shot at goal (like all Hawthorn players it seems), his technique just falls apart. On the run is better than average, maybe good (not elite other than distance).

He can be a contested ball winner due to his size, balance and great evasion skills, but this side of his game is very under-utilised, (perhaps a lack of confidence post leg?) It comes out instinctively rather than intentionally. He plays to avoid congestion wherever he can. Hard to explain - he's smart rather than soft - doesn't go in desperately for the hard ball, but when gets caught in that situation is pretty good.

Great leap, perhaps lacking the size to do so under physical contact pressure, he is best to come 3rd man across or over the pack with unimpeded run. Good spoil and 1-on-1 defender due to leap and judgement of ball inflight, but lacks the size and strength to wrestle KPP (other than the Crows spud)

SUPERB kick. Genuine 65m range, power, and more importantly can weight it expertly off both feet. In space, 'could' be in the top 5 in the league.

Very good speed (wingman speed), but is a "one-effort" player atm. Given his history, very low fitness base (injured in 2016, 1st AFL preseason in 2017, modified in 2018) perhaps just lacks the endurance base and it will come in time. Won't generally be seen at both ends of a play, but can find himself across half-forward at times when pushing forward to get dangerous. Is NEVER out of breath - perhaps he simply has never learned to develop the ability to push passed that mental barrier?

That is why he was a debatable top-5 pick pre broken leg (forecast into the explosive tall midfielder who kicks goals, but can also play as genuine forward).

The shortcomings? A couple I've noticed (by looking for anything that will stop him being AFL elite).

He chooses when to commit. At least 1-2 times a game, he will stay out of the contest, when he could have impacted physically (even if not winning the ball). As the 3rd/4th tall defender at Hawks, this may have been instruction, but even when 1-on-1 he would concede rather than suicide the contest. (I'm comparing him to Stratton/Gibson/Hodge/Duryea here so the bar is extremely high). Given how good at judging the flight of the ball, I think this is by intention, rather than poor judgement.

He does not cope well when physically matched. His strength is his utility - faster than talls, stronger than smalls. On the very people you'd expect him to dominate (mid-size marking forwards) he struggles. Perhaps due to learning the defensive role? In his rare moments on ball and HFF this year he has offered extremely little.

Simply, IMO he is a reactive player - some players can 'create' play, have the vision and ability to outthink or outwit their opposition and be very damaging. Most of Ryan's best work has come from being led to the contest, then using his physical gifts to beat them; or being fed the ball out wide as a pure receiver.

In 2017, he had Hodge in his backpocket ALL game, telling him where to stand, when to run, when to punch or go for the mark, (when to wipe his bottom most likely). Hodge is without peer at that aspect of the game, so good I reckon I'd even get a kick.

In 2018 that voice was Stratton's, and in Stratton's injury absence it fell to Frawley - who struggles with his own positioning, let alone structuring everyone else, so it's no wonder Ryan looked a more than a little lost. Interestingly, when Sicily joined Frawley on the sidelines, and Burton's role was simplified (CHB, beat your man) he stepped up and returned to something approximating his 2017 form.

Ryan is an athlete who plays football. He doesn't have the creative spark the very best do, and relies too much on his athletic gifts. Yet at VFL he showed to be a very smart forward. Perhaps he will put it all together (top-5 pick value), perhaps he will remain a periphery (very good) HBF (Late 1st).

Either way Port dominated this trade even more so than GC/StK with O'Meara (and historically, Burgoyne with Williams/1st/2nd).
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Geniunely appreciate the review. But Chad should end his career 4+ times AA, with strong potential to win a Brownlow if played mid. And that's if you CAN'T get him give a s**t.
 
Just watching a few Hawks games on foxtel and I noticed that Burton rarely wins his own ball and the hawks give it to him regularly in defence and he always takes the safe option with his disposal. Is a very composed footballer but does not look like a star

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We don't need him to be a star. So long as he can provide the sort of run and kicking skills that he showed at Hawthorn, he will be a valuable addition.

If we want a Wingard star factor replacement, get busy drafting Rankine.
 
It's so funny, Clarkson is hailed a genius for supposedly getting the best out of Impey by getting him to play their short possession game and pad his stats.

Burton also plays this way as it is Hawthorn's system - something Clarkson banged on about as they were exposed in finals as pretenders and he wanted to deflect individual blame from him as the master tactician coach - and now it's a fault.

Glory be.
 
wayb2912 said:
Just watching a few Hawks games on foxtel and I noticed that Burton rarely wins his own ball and the hawks give it to him regularly in defence and he always takes the safe option with his disposal. Is a very composed footballer but does not look like a star

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And if our strategy moving the ball out of defence and into f50 was a massive team effort to try as hard as Hawks do to get the ball into the hands of those with good disposal...
How much better would we be?

Houston, Bonner, Lienert, Burton, Watts, Motlop, Rockliff, Mayes ...

Note anything in common between this group, by the way?
 
Amarula said:
And if our strategy moving the ball out of defence and into f50 was a massive team effort to try as hard as Hawks do to get the ball into the hands of those with good disposal...
How much better would we be?

Houston, Bonner, Lienert, Burton, Watts, Motlop, Rockliff, Mayes ...

Note anything in common between this group, by the way?
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The second letter of their surname is always a vowel?
 
Amarula said:
And if our strategy moving the ball out of defence and into f50 was a massive team effort to try as hard as Hawks do to get the ball into the hands of those with good disposal...
How much better would we be?

Houston, Bonner, Lienert, Burton, Watts, Motlop, Rockliff, Mayes ...

Note anything in common between this group, by the way?
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The first letter of their surname is not a vowel?
 
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