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OK, based on the 2014 list in the 2015 guide, here are the players that need updating:Thanks for those. Here's the code to retrieve a year's worth of records from Wikidata (this is for 2014. Just change number in the FILTER line to another year for other years). I'll try to start going through them all soon.
http://tinyurl.com/y7qhyuax
OK, based on the 2014 list in the 2015 guide, here are the players that need updating:
Payer Team Issue
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Len Woolf, Haw, DOD unsure:
AFL guide obit has 11 Oct 2014, but WhiteHartLane23 updated wikipedia with 8 Nov 2014 based on an obit in UQCC. I also found a date of 11 Aug 2014 in Cricket Victoria List, but they had the year of birth as 1920, not the 1921 that everyone else has. Can't find any death notice or cemetery record to match. UQCC says he retired to Narrabeen, NSW but died in Brisbane, which could be a cut/paste error?
78 years of age ie 1936 birthPuzzling indeed, the Woolf one...
The Ryerson index appears to have just one entry for a Len Woolf, (in WA in 2014),
so have just checked the West Australian website and it refers to such a person having a funeral on 6 June 2014
http://www.westannouncements.com.au...ary.aspx?n=len-woolf&pid=171203514&fhid=14406
No other info found yet to clarify whether this is the footballer or not.
I think this needs further searchingLen Woolf, Haw, DOD unsure:
AFL guide obit has 11 Oct 2014, but WhiteHartLane23 updated wikipedia with 8 Nov 2014 based on an obit in UQCC. I also found a date of 11 Aug 2014 in Cricket Victoria List, but they had the year of birth as 1920, not the 1921 that everyone else has. Can't find any death notice or cemetery record to match. UQCC says he retired to Narrabeen, NSW but died in Brisbane, which could be a cut/paste error?
I think this needs further searching
I found this note that might indicate 2 Len Woolfs , to me this indicates a rugby player
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article100972888
It was appropriate that at the wedding of a footballer who had achieved fame by representing Australia at Rugby Union and Rugby League, there should be representatives of the "Wallaby" and "Kangaroo" teams with which he toured. Down from Forbes came Eric Tweedale, who was a team mate
of Ken's in the Parramatta Club and the "Wallabies". Also present was Len Woolf, a Parramatta and representative player.
Edit: Noting the biog in UQCC says Len is in Qld.
DVA has birth 1920
Name WOOLF, LEONARD ROY
Service Australian Army
Service Number VX120958
Date of Birth 12 Nov 1920
Place of Birth MELBOURNE, VIC
Most other searches on trove for Woolf Parramatta show up a L or K Woolfe, so probably a slight spelling error.I think this needs further searching
I found this note that might indicate 2 Len Woolfs , to me this indicates a rugby player
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article100972888
It was appropriate that at the wedding of a footballer who had achieved fame by representing Australia at Rugby Union and Rugby League, there should be representatives of the "Wallaby" and "Kangaroo" teams with which he toured. Down from Forbes came Eric Tweedale, who was a team mate
of Ken's in the Parramatta Club and the "Wallabies". Also present was Len Woolf, a Parramatta and representative player.
Edit: Noting the biog in UQCC says Len is in Qld.
DVA has birth 1920
Name WOOLF, LEONARD ROY
Service Australian Army
Service Number VX120958
Date of Birth 12 Nov 1920
Place of Birth MELBOURNE, VIC
I also had this thought but apart from already being over 21 in either case I'm not sure either. I couldnt find a funeral notice nor cemetery mention in Narrabeen or either northern stateMost other searches on trove for Woolf Parramatta show up a L or K Woolfe, so probably a slight spelling error.
As for the 1920/21 birthday, I have the Victorian BDM list up to 1920, and there is nothing there, nor in Trove Age/Argus birth notices for November 1920 or 1921.
As for the Army, if he did put his age up a year, as many did... was there any benefit (pay?) being 22 instead of 21? I could understand if it was 17/18, but 21/22 has me stumped.
Reading through the service records, he actually joined in 1941, but still, 1920/1921 means he was just 19 or just 20.I also had this thought but apart from already being over 21 in either case I'm not sure either. I couldnt find a funeral notice nor cemetery mention in Narrabeen or either northern state
His war service must have been horrendousReading through the service records, he actually joined in 1941, but still, 1920/1921 means he was just 19 or just 20.
He got married in Brissy in June 1944. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article42052286
His wife, Rae Elsie Smith, was the daughter of a Rabaul plantation owner who was killed by the Japanese. Woolf probably met her in PNG. http://www.lunatribe.com/Genealogy/7697.htm
I have no idea nor am I saying definitely but sometimes families hide secrets. I wonder if this could be a reason for no entry or its a simple matter of no entry released yetComment in the marriage notice there about being the youngest son of Mr G. H. Woolf (George Henry from the service record) leads me to check for siblings. He may have been an "accident", as the next youngest appears to have been at least 12 years older, which might explain the no birth notice. At least it seems unlikely that it was an unmarried mother, and subsequent name change after birth which is what I was starting to think.
year registration number gender surname first names father mother birth place
1903 16645 F Woolf Elsie May George Henry Townsend Alice Maud Carlton
1905 5396 M Woolf George Clarence George Henry Leopold Townsend Alice Maud Port Melbourne
1907 13376 F Woolf Irene Maud George Henry Leopold Townsend Alice Maud Port Melbourne
1908 25208 F Woolf Myrtle Eileen George Henry Leopold Townsend Alice Maud Carlton
Looks like he would've been a decent Twenty20 player!
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article203753589
I think this needs further searching
I found this note that might indicate 2 Len Woolfs , to me this indicates a rugby player
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article100972888
It was appropriate that at the wedding of a footballer who had achieved fame by representing Australia at Rugby Union and Rugby League, there should be representatives of the "Wallaby" and "Kangaroo" teams with which he toured. Down from Forbes came Eric Tweedale, who was a team mate
of Ken's in the Parramatta Club and the "Wallabies". Also present was Len Woolf, a Parramatta and representative player.
Edit: Noting the biog in UQCC says Len is in Qld.
DVA has birth 1920
Name WOOLF, LEONARD ROY
Service Australian Army
Service Number VX120958
Date of Birth 12 Nov 1920
Place of Birth MELBOURNE, VIC
Can someone contact the Maru society?I know odds are probably against it, but am wondering if he may still be alive ?
There is a birth notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6077076, but you are right, there is no birth registration. I've looked at as many variations, Arthur as the father's name, St Kilda as the location, as I can think of. Maybe they just forgot.Couple of names to add , maybe
Gerald Archibald Balme. Very well documented but I feel the documents might be wrong
https://www.aif.adfa.edu.au/showPerson?pid=12391 states he is 30 (1885/6) and born in Victoria. So why no birth notice? The job ties in with Trove records and I accept he is in Johannesburg Sth Africa and lives and dies there. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article178127375
This trip is after his wife dies in 1945. Probate record on FamilySearch. Ancestry have a notice for birth in Vic (sourced from?) and the probate record of 1955 - I dont have access. If someone could look up those 2 then Australianfootball.com can complete their records. I see other sites have this 1955 death but no source.
if someone could go over the tracks and also if access to Ancestry.
There is a birth notice http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article6077076, but you are right, there is no birth registration. I've looked at as many variations, Arthur as the father's name, St Kilda as the location, as I can think of. Maybe they just forgot.
There is a marriage, in 1916:
1916 8323 Balme Gerlad[sic] Archibald Howard Ivy Matilda
There is a birth registered in 1904, Isaac Hirst Balme to Arthur and Agnes (nee Crothers). Gerald's war record lists Agnes of Claremont WA as his next of kin until it was replaced by Ivy. Hirst (as he was known) died in 1931 at age 26 (days after becoming a father). His funeral lists 3 brothers attending, Arthur, Douglas and Eric, but not Gerald (often Jerry in the sporting pages). There appear to be more brothers, Reginald Bramley who died in WW1 and Charles Harold who also fought. None of them seem to have birth registrations either. Searched for all "Bramley"s in the records.. nothing matches.
Gerald's (and Ivy's?) death record can be obtained for about $7.5 from http://www.ancestor.co.za/search.asp
Other than the newspaper birth notice not naming him, I think the lack of birth registration seems to be par for this family.
I'm wonder if Gerry's birth might have been missed with travel back and forth to EuropeJust as a ref to family background - Ancestry has a copy of the Balme/Crothers marriage certificate
Arthur Balme and Agnes Crothers were married at the UK Ambassador's residence in Paris, France on 30 Nov 1882.
One of the witnesses was Isaac Holden Crothers, so that probably explains child born in 1904 being named Isaac.
Like others in last 24-48 hours, have tried variations on the Vic BDMs and not come up with any other birth reg for suitable Balme family. The 1903 and 1908 electoral roll shows Arthur & Agnes Balme living in Bambra Road, Caulfield. Given Isaac was born in 1904, perhaps a range of churches in the Caulfield area ought be checked for baptism records. Jerry's enlistment papers in WW1 show religion as C of E so that perhaps narrows range to check for 1885 e.g. in St Kilda.
I'll contact the Genealogical Society of Vic, and local history societies in those suburbs and seek further advice. Very unusual for so many children of the one family not to be registered - although I did notice that the electoral roll gave Arthur Balme's occupation as "independent means." Perhaps he was of rather independent mind too !
The Encyclopedia has this player as Robert E. Burns. It also says he was "ex-Richmond Juniors". I see AustralianFootball.com has him as recruited from Richmond in 1904, and Wikipedia and Collingwood Forever have him as from Richmond (VFA). He doesn't get a mention on the Tigerland Archive VFA Players page, so perhaps he wasn't at Richmond (VFA)?Bob Burns Collingwood looks to be absent a DOD born 1884.
2 Robert Burns born in 1884. One passes in 1888. The other has no DOD listed in Vic BDM. The other is Robert Edward James Burns
I saw that and he does get a mentionThe Encyclopedia has this player as Robert E. Burns. It also says he was "ex-Richmond Juniors". I see AustralianFootball.com has him as recruited from Richmond in 1904, and Wikipedia and Collingwood Forever have him as from Richmond (VFA). He doesn't get a mention on the Tigerland Archive VFA Players page, so perhaps he wasn't at Richmond (VFA)?
Richmond or Richmond Juniors? With the first link (where Burns was named in the team) they were playing South Melb. Juniors, while Richmond played Prahran on the same day in the Association.I saw that and he does get a mention
Or at least a Burns does. http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article246098134
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article246078222
I had it in mind he was a junior.Richmond or Richmond Juniors? With the first link (where Burns was named in the team) they were playing South Melb. Juniors, while Richmond played Prahran on the same day in the Association.
Same with the second link, Burns was playing for Richmond Juniors, not Richmond in the Association.
I found a registration for Douglas in 1900 in the NSW registry in Cowora.I'll contact the Genealogical Society of Vic, and local history societies in those suburbs and seek further advice. Very unusual for so many children of the one family not to be registered - although I did notice that the electoral roll gave Arthur Balme's occupation as "independent means." Perhaps he was of rather independent mind too !