Recommitted Tim Kelly [requested a trade to West Coast]

[amazingjoshy]

Better than moving down the order and missing on Hill. The WCE thought they could have their cake and eat it too again - didn't plan on the GWS moving up the order and spoiling the party.

you mean like winning the flag and then getting 4 picks in the top 40??

 

[Obeanie1]

Better than moving down the order and missing on Hill. The WCE thought they could have their cake and eat it too again - didn't plan on the GWS moving up the order and spoiling the party.

What even makes you think we wanted Hill?

We had Cameron as an academy kid who is a very similar type.

So these two picks Wells didnt rate landed the Eagles the best kicking mid in the draft in O'Neill, a rated WA mid in Foley, were used to trade in another 2nd rounder that landed the 2nd best rated kp / ruck in Williams plus we upgraded our 2019 3rd to the Swans 2019 2nd.

Absolutely delighted we kept these pick.

Thanks Wells

 

[dazbroncos]

I did enjoy some of the Wells posts on the Eagles thread, cheers guys.

The offended was blistering and puss like.

Good few days for us and we still have TK for 2019.

Go Catters

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Nice to see the Eagles have armed themselves with 2 second round draft picks for the 2019 draft. Given Kelly will be out of contract and there is an increased likelihood his emotional state will be more fragile than in 2018, I am thinking that should be sufficient currency to get the deal done.

I guess it all comes down to pressing needs and valuation.

1. Will Geelong stay true to their valuation of Kelly and pay him the $1 million a year that goes along with the Cats trade price tag? Surely anything less that a seven figure contract offer from the club to equal the trade valuation otherwise Wells would deserve being accused of being grossly hypocritical!

2. How much of a position if need is Kelly for West Coast? The Eagles have secured Gaff and used the 2 second round picks to acquire the top clearance man from the Chargers and the best inside/outside mid from the WA State team. I guess our list management are putting a fallback position in place believing Wells has made a rod for his own back and will be likely continue being tough in negotiations just to save face.

3. Pastoral Care for the Kelly family. Do Geelong care enough to use some of their soft off-field cap to bolster their inadequate pastoral care for players of need? Or will they keep their money in their pocket and blame the AFL rules? Oh - you are aware you can spend more in this category but may have to pay the AFL tax.



As a Claremont member, I will be watching on with interest on how you manage Jordan Clark. He was touted to go top 10 but glandular fever meant his value slid yet Wells is strangely attributed for getting a steal. He will need additional needs in order to recover from his illness and I expect your club to do better than allow access to a sports doctor. He is a special talent and your club has had a poor recent record of supporting players from interstate with additional needs.

Finally, why does your club continue to try and draft players that do not want to be at your club? Scott could have nominated Geelong as a club if he wanted to join as a father son priority. He said NO - even the Tin Rattling Shinboners are better than joining the Cats. Yet Wells thinks it amusing to try to draft him despite the obvious rejection. Is there is a cultural problem in Geelong with residents not willing to respect people saying NO? Pity help the young ladies in Corio Bay if that is the case.

 

[Obeanie1]

The offended was blistering and puss like.

Good few days for us and we still have TK for 2019.

Go Catters

Cats added Clarke who is a talent to watch.

Then didnt use a pick until 48 after all the highly rated kids were gone.

Nothing bewteen 15 and 48 when you have serious list problems and a huge turnover of players.

So much for those 2nd rounders being useless to Geelong.

Cats didnt get involved in any pick trading or upgrades. Didnt have the currency or maybe clubs couldnt be bothered dealing with a difficult club to trade with.

So those two picks plus the Eagles 2019 2nd werent rated.

Yet the two 2018 2nd rounders turned into three 2018 2nd rounders plus another 2nd rounder upgrade in 2019.

Quality players available to Geelong with the original picks. McClennan, Ian Hill, Valente, Hammil, Williams, Foley, Sparrow, O'Neil, Joyce, Bytel and Taylor.

Cats missed a massive opportunity to replenish their aging list with three second rounders and upgrade their 2019 picks. Cats could have three 2019 2nd rounders right now pkus three young guns to develop. But Wells needed to stand firm and make a point to save face. He did. Just not the point he hoped for.

Eagles proved just how valuable two picks can be plus they still have that 2019 2nd to add another kid.

Cats missed a fantastic chance here. At least now they understand the value of two 2nd rounders.

Go Catters

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Cats added Clarke who is a talent to watch.

Then didnt use a pick until 48 after all the highly rated kids were gone.

Nothing bewteen 15 and 48 when you have serious list problems and a huge turnover of players.

So much for those 2nd rounders being useless to Geelong.

Cats didnt get involved in any pick trading or upgrades. Didnt have the currency or maybe clubs couldnt be bothered dealing with a difficult club to trade with.

So those two picks plus the Eagles 2019 2nd werent rated.

Yet the two 2018 2nd rounders turned into three 2018 2nd rounders plus another 2nd rounder upgrade in 2019.

Quality player available to Geelong with the original picks. McClennan, Ian Hill, Valente, Hammil, Williams, Sparrow, O'Neil, Joyce, Bytel and Taylor.

Cats missed a massive opportunity to replenish their aging list with three second rounders and upgrade their 2019 picks. Cats could have three 2019 2nd rounders right now pkus three young guns to develop. But Wells needed to stand firm and make a point to save face. He did. Just not the point he hoped for.

Eagles proved just how valuable two picks can be plus they still have that 2019 2nd to add another kid.

Cats missed a fantastic chance here. At least now they understand the value of two 2nd rounders.

Go Catters

I think cut off their nose to spite their face comes to mind

 

[dazbroncos]

Cats added Clarke who is a talent to watch.

Then didnt use a pick until 48 after all the highly rated kids were gone.

Nothing bewteen 15 and 48 when you have serious list problems and a huge turnover of players.

So much for those 2nd rounders being useless to Geelong.

Cats didnt get involved in any pick trading or upgrades. Didnt have the currency or maybe clubs couldnt be bothered dealing with a difficult club to trade with.

So those two picks plus the Eagles 2019 2nd werent rated.

Yet the two 2018 2nd rounders turned into three 2018 2nd rounders plus another 2nd rounder upgrade in 2019.

Quality player available to Geelong with the original picks. McClennan, Ian Hill, Valente, Hammil, Williams, Sparrow, O'Neil, Joyce, Bytel and Taylor.

Cats missed a massive opportunity to replenish their aging list with three second rounders and upgrade their 2019 picks. Cats could have three 2019 2nd rounders right now pkus three young guns to develop. But Wells needed to stand firm and make a point to save face. He did. Just not the point he hoped for.

Eagles proved just how valuable two picks can be plus they still have that 2019 2nd to add another kid.

Cats missed a fantastic chance here. At least now they understand the value of two 2nd rounders.

Go Catters

So after your 4 edits to build you little golden book story of fabrications, let set some things straight and try not to steer too far OT from Tim Kelly... who I might ad still plays for Geelong this year.

We didn't use a pick after 15 until 48 - yup... 100% fact. Highly rated kids you say...guess it depends on POV. But we had 15. Good WA kid coming to us for a career and happy to be out of WA. Seem to hear that a lot - but if you are getting all moist over having a pick in the mid 20's that we didnt... more power to ya. You picked a great big ( yes im being massively sarcastic) 26 picks in front of 48. Oh well done to you.

Id back Wells and his 30 years of doing this over you keyboard warrior status. Wells has sweated more Draft experience than you could eve dream of having so if he deemed picks in the 20's to be of lesser value than TK - then hell yeah we did nothing. Id say picks in the 20's were useless to us. We filled out our draft board just fine - starting with Clark - the best WA player in the gig this year.

You say we didn't have the currency. Been sucking the raw prawn a bit too long? We had a full compliment of 2019 picks to use if Wells and co felt so inclined - and we used a 4th to send to the Tigers so this whole lack of currency thing is just crap, wrong and misguided. But I doubt you'll be able to comprehend it as you are clearly too busy slobbering over 2 x Rd 2 picks.

As for valuing picks - we'll do nicely again at the trade table come this years end with some clear SC, a full bag of picks and a good season of footy behind us.

Enjoy the flag.

GO Catters

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Cats added Clarke who is a talent to watch.

Then didnt use a pick until 48 after all the highly rated kids were gone.

Nothing bewteen 15 and 48 when you have serious list problems and a huge turnover of players.

So much for those 2nd rounders being useless to Geelong.

Cats didnt get involved in any pick trading or upgrades. Didnt have the currency or maybe clubs couldnt be bothered dealing with a difficult club to trade with.

So those two picks plus the Eagles 2019 2nd werent rated.

Yet the two 2018 2nd rounders turned into three 2018 2nd rounders plus another 2nd rounder upgrade in 2019.

Quality players available to Geelong with the original picks. McClennan, Ian Hill, Valente, Hammil, Williams, Foley, Sparrow, O'Neil, Joyce, Bytel and Taylor.

Cats missed a massive opportunity to replenish their aging list with three second rounders and upgrade their 2019 picks. Cats could have three 2019 2nd rounders right now pkus three young guns to develop. But Wells needed to stand firm and make a point to save face. He did. Just not the point he hoped for.

Eagles proved just how valuable two picks can be plus they still have that 2019 2nd to add another kid.

Cats missed a fantastic chance here. At least now they understand the value of two 2nd rounders.

Go Catters

Geelong's draft was far better than the Eagles and you'll see that in 4 or 5 years time.

Anything else is simply blowing wind up your own arse in an attempt to comfort yourself for missing Kelly. And for someone who didn't care whether you got him or not, you're sure doing a good job of proving yourself wrong with this current melting episode.

Chin up.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

Geelong's draft was far better than the Eagles and you'll see that in 4 or 5 years time.

Fully agree with you on not knowing how it will pan out until 4 or 5 years.

That said, always good to get input from an independent. Not seen an article yet that supports your claim. Here is an example:-

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

The way Geelong fans have gone on and on in this thread, and their arrogance is unprecedented. They seem to forget they were a team that barely made the 8 and that WCE are actually the premiers.

Have you got all the Eagles supporters on ignore?

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Settle petals

Won't know for a fair while whether deciding to hold kelly was the right move.

End of the day pretty thrilled with the draft we had, and look forward to adding kelly next year without wiping us out of 2 draft years.

 

[End Game]

You can spin it anyway you like but anyone can see that Geelong severely stuffed up the Kelly trade. I am so glad the trade didn't go through with what we achieved with those picks.

 

[STPer18]

If you didn't know any better, with the carry on post-draft by the Weagles fanbase, you'd be forgiven for thinking they aren't all that happy with those 'super' picks 20+22.

Tim Kelly or two second rounders? I think we all know deep down which one we'd prefer.

 

[ghostbat12]

If you didn't know any better, with the carry on post-draft by the Weagles fanbase, you'd be forgiven for thinking they aren't all that happy with those 'super' picks 20+22.

Tim Kelly or two second rounders? I think we all know deep down which one we'd prefer.

Would you? Would you REALLY think that?

How about next years first that we were willing to part with. Amazing how Geelong fans amazingly forget that small bit.

 

[STPer18]

Would you? Would you REALLY think that?

How about next years first that we were willing to part with. Amazing how Geelong fans amazingly forget that small bit.

Next years second, the first never came into consideration. See this is a perfect example of the WCE fanbase twisting the facts yet again. Every other supporter base seems pumped about the new talent that's come into their club the past couple of days, yet on here the WCE contingent are still moping about Kelly and pretending like they don't care by constantly telling everyone that they don't care.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

I am trying to understand Wells and his strong desire for early picks. It has not sat comfortably with me as to why he has a problem. As has been rightfully stated Cockarfitt and others at the Cattery, you can really only understand how well you drafted after some time. So I thought I would look back to 2009 and see how Wells has performed with his prized number 1 picks.


Reality, over the 6 years in review, only 1 player is still at the club.

In 2011 he trading down with 2 second rounders and that proved about as successful as his selection of first rounders.

A total of 270 games has been played from the 6 years of selecting meaning an average of 45 games per first round pick. The expectation would be closer to 100 games minimum for a first round pick.

My question to the Geelong faithful is how has this man Wells managed to keep his job?

Why also did Wells require West Coast to deliver a first round pick when his track record shows he doesn't know what to do with them?

Did Wells get lucky with his father and son options all those years ago or can he really be trusted to build a winning list?

 

[BigCat1]

Would you? Would you REALLY think that?

How about next years first that we were willing to part with. Amazing how Geelong fans amazingly forget that small bit.

We'll grab that next year. You can throw in Xavier Obrien or whatever his name is as well.

Oh wait you could have done that and had Kelly this year on min wage.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

We'll grab that next year. You can throw in Xavier Obrien or whatever his name is as well.
.

Why would we want to throw our head of recruitment O'Brien just because your club has a dire need in their organisation?

 

[Broken_Chairs]

If you didn't know any better, with the carry on post-draft by the Weagles fanbase, you'd be forgiven for thinking they aren't all that happy with those 'super' picks 20+22.

Zero complaints about the quality of the draft in the first 2 rounds, it was a deep one this year. Most are happy with who we chose, and how we were able to upgrade our draft hand. Only whinging would be around who we chose vs who was available (e.g. Hill, Valente, Taylor).

Tim Kelly or two second rounders? I think we all know deep down which one we'd prefer.

Hold up, let's stick with the facts.

Tim Kelly for 1 more year or 2 2018 second rounders AND 1 2019 second rounder (with scope to trade that up to 3 2018 second rounders + 2 2019 second rounders).

Vs

Out of contract Tim Kelly for much less. Prob get our first rounder next year at best.

The guy has a young family and wants to go home to be around his family/friends for support. He's doing his preseason in Perth. His manager has said he'll be seeking another trade next year. Seems pretty inevitable he'll be gone this time next year.

Unless y'all can do something miraculous to change his mind, anything less than a premiership in 2019 makes this stubborn holding onto someone who doesn't want to be there a complete waste of time and a lost opportunity.

 

[Cattergirl]

The guy has a young family and wants to go home to be around his family/friends for support. He's doing his preseason in Perth. His manager has said he'll be seeking another trade next year. Seems pretty inevitable he'll be gone this time next year.

.

Tim & his family are en-route to Victoria as we speak. He starts pre-season training in Geelong on Monday.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Tim & his family are en-route to Victoria as we speak. He starts pre-season training in Geelong on Monday.

That seems a bit late for a second year player? Our first to fourth years were back last week and our season finished three weeks after yours

 

[Broken_Chairs]

Tim & his family are en-route to Victoria as we speak. He starts pre-season training in Geelong on Monday.

So Geelong reneged on that offer? Ouch.

 

[Cattergirl]

That seems a bit late for a second year player? Our first to fourth years were back last week and our season finished three weeks after yours

He was given extra time off yes as were a few other players for various reasons. Everybody (at Geelong) returns this week. He is still doing most of his pre-season in Geelong & his family are returning too

 

[Cattergirl]

So Geelong reneged on that offer? Ouch.

I guess Tim is taking next season seriously & isn’t too upset about playing for the Cats this year.

 

[Two Planks]

Wells didn't ask for any 1st rounder, he asked for a top 10 selection. Comparing picks 17 and 16 of years gone by is useless, he was never going to accept those picks.

If the eagles can come up with a top 10 pick next year, he will be free to go, if not it's a trade to freo or enter the draft and go to freo.