Prediction Best 22 R1 2019

[borderbarry]

What about this giant American guy... can he catch the ball?

We dont have a giant Yank. You mean Sam Alabacus, who is West Australian. He has been playing College Basketball in USA, but that does'nt make him American.

 

[plugger66]

Anyway I think Pierce is in front of Longer and Marshall.

I’m in front of longer. If they think Marshall can be first ruck he obviously plays

 

[borderbarry]

Although 211cm makes him a giant, I will concede that.
We all saw how tall Max King was at 204cm, this bloke is 7cm taller. Same height as Sandilands and Cox.

 

[borderbarry]

Arent you the same height as Lonie Plugger?

 

[plugger66]

Arent you the same height as Lonie Plugger?

Still a better ruck than longer. Think you will waiting a long while for your American guy.

 

[lewdogs]

We dont have a giant Yank. You mean Sam Alabacus, who is West Australian. He has been playing College Basketball in USA, but that does'nt make him American.

Well that ruins the story a bit!

 

[luca77]

I guess this should be in a different thread, but since the discussion is about the rucks...
I haven't worked out my 22 yet, but Marshall and Acres are both in. These two could be anything and I'm convinced we have to back them in until it's clear they need a spell in the 2s. In Acres' case I don't think that spell will happen, it's his time. Marshall might be a year away.

I'm happy to give Longer the first few games out of respect if the coaches feel he's our number 1, but after that I'd like to see Pierce and Marshall doing the duties. I actually think we can take Pierce, Marshall and King in the one team due to their mobility and the fact that 2 of them can play forward comfortably (or wing). Marshall's foot skills make him an asset all around the ground, even down back. Pierce would ruck ,sit in a hole down back or rest on the pine. The others could stay out there pretty much all game, resting out of the goal square.

On the other hand, if we play Longer, I don't want all 3. In fact, I would only want Longer and Marshall, because like others on here I don't want to see King in the ruck even if it's for ruck relief. Would rather we rucked Paddy or Bruce for relief, as King is now our #1 asset.

Was pretty impressed with the highlights of our recruits and the way we've theoretically balanced the list. Love Bytel's ability on both sides, almost Hunter Clark-like. And one of those other blokes (can't remember which off the top of my head) delivered the ball magnificently into the forward line - something we haven't seen for a while at the Saints, along with some run and carry. No more round the world switch, switch, switch, bomb? Hopefully we've seen the last of that game plan. Our best 22 should be wide open next year with these mature agers coming in. Only problem is we're unlikely to know what our best 22 is until about round 22 next year.

 

[triggering bro]

Longer & Paddy shouldn’t be in the best 22 IMO. Too slow & immobile. They can’t defend which is a prerequisite for modern footy. They are liabilities & unbalance the team making other players have to try & cover for them. Not suited to the modern game.

 

[BrutThough]

Yet you think longer is.

He has proven to be much better in the ruck than Marshall has. Not hard to see how he would be starting considering it is a 50/50 choice.

 

[Doug Hogan 23]

We dont have a giant Yank. You mean Sam Alabacus, who is West Australian. He has been playing College Basketball in USA, but that does'nt make him American.

Incorrect, he was born in Dubai and lived there until he was 15, moved to Perth for three years then to the USA for three years.
He kicks like a two year old, seriously possibly the worst kick I’ve ever seen on an AFL list.

 

[plugger66]

He has proven to be much better in the ruck than Marshall has. Not hard to see how he would be starting considering it is a 50/50 choice.

Has longer actually proved anything. I doubt there is a regular ruckman that has worse stats than him in the last 20 years of afl footy. There is more to rucking than hitting the ball. Just look at the best rucks or the best sides. Marshall couldn’t be worse. It’s whether pierce is better.

 

[BrutThough]

Has longer actually proved anything. I doubt there is a regular ruckman that has worse stats than him in the last 20 years of afl footy. There is more to rucking than hitting the ball. Just look at the best rucks or the best sides. Marshall couldn’t be worse. It’s whether pierce is better.

Our win/loss record with Longer as our ruckman is significantly higher than with our other ruckman over the past 2 years, and the stats have shown our midfield performs much stronger in clearances when he is playing. He may offer basically nothing as a player, but somehow he makes our midfield stronger and more competitive. I would rather that than a ruckman getting 15 disposals but us losing the clearances and getting smashed weekly.

 

[plugger66]

Our win/loss record with Longer as our ruckman is significantly higher than with our other ruckman over the past 2 years, and the stats have shown our midfield performs much stronger in clearances when he is playing. He may offer basically nothing as a player, but somehow he makes our midfield stronger and more competitive. I would rather that than a ruckman getting 15 disposals but us losing the clearances and getting smashed weekly.

Coincidence. Just watch the Melbourne game to prove stats can be rubbish. Unfortunately he is one of the worst players that has been a regular player in the afl for many years

 

[lewdogs]

Incorrect, he was born in Dubai and lived there until he was 15, moved to Perth for three years then to the USA for three years.
He kicks like a two year old, seriously possibly the worst kick I’ve ever seen on an AFL list.

Hmm, that's not a good wrap. Worse than Clint Jones?

 

[mightymalaka]

Hmm, that's not a good wrap. Worse than Clint Jones?

About as good a wrap as what Plugged is dishing out for Longer! lol

Isn't it wonderful to read through more Ruck debates!
As exciting as the AFL's version of an entertaining Draft!

 

[Kildonan]

50+ matches Player List 2019

    Name                 2018 Tot Age Birth Date Height Weight   Origin
  20 Armitage, David       15 167 30 16 Jun 1988 185cm  88kg Morningside
  14 Geary, Jarryn         20 183 30 23 Jun 1988 182cm  82kg Bendigo Pioneers
  22 Brown, Nathan         15 167 30 17 Dec 1988 195cm  99kg North Ballarat Rebels / Collingwood
   3 Steven, Jack          22 176 28 28 Mar 1990 180cm  84kg Geelong Falcons
   5 Savage, Shane         18 141 27 05 Jan 1991 186cm  84kg Dandenong Stingrays / Hawthorn
  10 Hannebery, Daniel     15 208 27 24 Feb 1991 181cm  79kg Oakleigh Chargers / Sydney
  17 Roberton, Dylan        4 128 27 21 Jun 1991 194cm  91kg Dandenong Stingrays / Freo
   2 Carlisle, Jake        17 124 27 01 Oct 1991 201cm 104kg Craigieburn / EssendonFC
  27 Bruce, Josh            3  91 26 08 Jun 1992 197cm 102kg Glenelg / GWS
  16 Newnes, Jack          22 135 25 24 Feb 1993 184cm  86kg Northern Knights
   6 Ross, Sebastian       21 102 25 07 May 1993 187cm  88kg North Ballarat Rebels
  18 Longer, Billy          5  65 25 12 May 1993 202cm 105kg Northern Knights / Brisbane
  29 Webster, Jimmy        17  85 25 28 Jun 1993 188cm  79kg Glenorchy
  ?? Kent, Dean             5  63 24 24 Feb 1994 179cm  82kg Perth WAFL / Melbourne
  28 Membrey, Tim          20  70 24 26 May 1994 188cm  89kg Gippsland / Sydney
   7 Dunstan, Luke         16  85 23 29 Jan 1995 184cm  85kg Woodville-West Torrens
  35 Sinclair, Jack        20  64 23 12 Feb 1995 180cm  82kg Oakleigh Chargers
  15 Billings, Jack        21  85 23 18 Aug 1995 184cm  81kg Oakleigh Chargers
   8 Acres, Blake          12  56 23 07 Oct 1995 190cm  92kg West Perth
   9 Steele, Jack          21  58 23 13 Dec 1995 187cm  90kg ACT Rams / GWS
  13 Lonie, Jack           11  50 22 13 Aug 1996 174cm  71kg Dandenong Stingrays
   4 Gresham, Jade         22  62 21 24 Aug 1997 177cm  79kg Northern Knights

FB Geary Brown Savage
HB Roberton Carlisle Webster

C Hannebery Armitage Sinclair
R Longer Steven Ross

HF Newnes Membrey Billings
FF Lonie Bruce Kent

Int Dunstan Acres Steele Gresham

The above team is not too dissimilar from our usual team - our improvement will come from the squad below...

<50 match Player List 2019

    Name                 2018 Tot Age Birth Date Height Weight   Origin
  ?? Hind, Nicholas         0   0 24 19 Oct 1994 180cm  70kg Essendon VFL
  42 Pierce, Lewis (R)      3   4 24 16 Nov 1994 203cm 104kg Dandenong Stingrays
  ?? Young, Robert          0   0 23 02 Mar 1995 178cm  63kg North Adelaide / Port Adelaide
  24 Austin, Logan          7  20 23 08 Jul 1995 196cm  92kg Belconnen / Port Adelaide
  43 Marshall, Rowan       12  13 23 24 Nov 1995 201cm 101kg North Ballarat Rebels
  ?? Parker, Matthew        0   0 22 25 Jan 1996 187cm  79kg South Fremantle
  ?? Wilkie, Callum (R)     0   0 22 10 Mar 1996 191cm  87kg North Adelaide
  32 McCartin, Patrick     13  35 22 19 Apr 1996 194cm 100kg Geelong Falcons
  36 McKenzie, Daniel      13  34 22 17 May 1996 184cm  83kg Oakleigh Chargers
  31 White, Brandon         6  10 21 13 Jan 1997 188cm  85kg Dandenong Stingrays
  37 Rice, Bailey          11  11 21 10 Feb 1997 184cm  88kg Dandenong Stingrays
  39 Joyce, Darragh (R)     2   2 21 23 Apr 1997 194cm  90kg Ireland
  ?? Alabakis, Samuel (R)   0   0 21 02 May 1997 211cm 111kg Perth Wildcats / ULM Warhawks
  21 Long, Ben             10  14 21 21 Aug 1997 182cm  74kg Footscray VFL
  30 Phillips, Ed           7   7 20 29 Mar 1998 186cm  80kg Oakleigh Chargers
  26 Battle, Josh           6   7 20 18 Sep 1998 193cm  88kg Dandenong Stingrays
  45 Paton, Ben             3   3 20 19 Oct 1998 186cm  77kg Murray Bushrangers
  33 Coffield, Nicholas    10  10 19 19 Mar 1999 191cm  82kg Northern Knights
  11 Clark, Hunter         15  15 19 26 Mar 1999 186cm  79kg Dandenong Stingrays
  46 Langlands, Doulton (R) 0   0 19 29 Jul 1999 187cm  78kg Murray Bushrangers
  38 Clavarino, Oscar       0   0 19 23 Oct 1999 195cm  86kg Dandenong Stingrays
  ?? Bytel, Jack            0   0 18 14 Mar 2000 188cm  78kg Calder Cannons
  ?? King, Maxwell          0   0 18 07 Jul 2000 204cm  90kg Sandringham Dragons

FB Rice Clavarino Wilkie
HB McKenzie Austin White

C Phillips Bytel Coffield
R Marshall Hind Clark

HF Parker McCartin Long
FF Young King Battle

Int Pierce Joyce Paton Langlands Alabakis

 

[BrutThough]

Coincidence. Just watch the Melbourne game to prove stats can be rubbish. Unfortunately he is one of the worst players that has been a regular player in the afl for many years

Im more looking at 2017 where we were ranked last for clearances at the start of the year when Hickey was our ruckman but then once Longer came in, we were ranked 3rd in the comp. Then this year when Hickey took over again, we went right back to being one of the worse in the league. For some reason, Longer makes our midfield stronger and our midfield needs all the help it can get with getting first use of the ball.

 

[maanco]

Longer & Paddy shouldn’t be in the best 22 IMO. Too slow & immobile. They can’t defend which is a prerequisite for modern footy. They are liabilities & unbalance the team making other players have to try & cover for them. Not suited to the modern game.

Disagree if you can't defend but you have qualitys which out weigh this then they are suited to modern footy.

 

[CursingFijian]

Battle ahead of the Prospect.

Battle's gut running this year was impressive. If he continues to develop his running and uses it as a weapon it will be a very handy tool for breaking down defenses. One that selectors will find hard to ignore.

 

[gringo2011]

Ok that’s one season. How were our stats in 2014 and 2015 when Longer was also our #1 ruck?

Yeah I have a feeling it's just coincidental that we were winning. I think Billy has potential to be a good player still, Max Gawn was below average until about 25.Big year coming for Billy boy.

 

[BrutThough]

Yeah I have a feeling it's just coincidental that we were winning. I think Billy has potential to be a good player still, Max Gawn was below average until about 25.Big year coming for Billy boy.

Hopefully he is over his injuries and can get a proper pre season done. We really brought him back way too earlier last year, so he never really got a fitness base to work with or recovered fully from his injuries.

 

[plugger66]

Disagree if you can't defend but you have qualitys which out weigh this then they are suited to modern footy.

Totally agree and that is why the other person is right

 

[plugger66]

Yeah I have a feeling it's just coincidental that we were winning. I think Billy has potential to be a good player still, Max Gawn was below average until about 25.Big year coming for Billy boy.

I wish I lived in Disney land. Max has no stats like billy even as a first year player

 

[triggering bro]

Disagree if you can't defend but you have qualitys which out weigh this then they are suited to modern footy.

What qualities do they have that outweigh being a defensive liability?

 

[maanco]

What qualities do they have that outweigh being a defensive liability?

Anyone that can provide net positive scoring involvement.