Non-Lions Footy Season (2018)

[Ironmonger]

If his Dad isn't an advocate for the merits of moving north, not sure who would be. As for Lachlan, has anyone seen or heard anything to suggest he is considered by the Lions to be of the necessary standard? I haven't and he has not featured much at a representative or TAC cup level.

Chris Johnson has been a good advocate for us. This would be a tricky one for him though.

Of course, we've already had a pretty significant father son prospect turn us down in Marc Murphy.

Only slightly related, but I'm not a big fan of the father son rule. It's been an anachronism ever since the start of the national competition but it's going to become more and more out of place as the era of increased player movement really takes hold. I can't imagine the Suns are going to have too many F/S opportunities in the next generation.

In truth it doesn't leave a big footprint, but over time it will probably benefit heartland clubs more than frontier clubs.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Chris Johnson has been a good advocate for us. This would be a tricky one for him though.

Of course, we've already had a pretty significant father son prospect turn us down in Marc Murphy.

Only slightly related, but I'm not a big fan of the father son rule. It's been an anachronism ever since the start of the national competition but it's going to become more and more out of place as the era of increased player movement really takes hold. I can't imagine the Suns are going to have too many F/S opportunities in the next generation.

In truth it doesn't leave a big footprint, but over time it will probably benefit heartland clubs more than frontier clubs.

And, of course, while not wishing to point the blame at anyone, the Schache experience turned out to be a rather poor example of the father son rule at work.

 

[luthor]

Chris Johnson has been a good advocate for us. This would be a tricky one for him though.

Of course, we've already had a pretty significant father son prospect turn us down in Marc Murphy.

Only slightly related, but I'm not a big fan of the father son rule. It's been an anachronism ever since the start of the national competition but it's going to become more and more out of place as the era of increased player movement really takes hold. I can't imagine the Suns are going to have too many F/S opportunities in the next generation.

In truth it doesn't leave a big footprint, but over time it will probably benefit heartland clubs more than frontier clubs.

I agree.

The "romanticism" of F/S doesn't justify yet another lever to skew the competition even further towards the "football" states

And it's already benefitting the heartland clubs and has been for years.

 

[jackess]

Can’t see Johnson being taken through an NGA academy being any worse than Blakey this year.

 

[Ironmonger]

Can’t see Johnson being taken through an NGA academy being any worse than Blakey this year.

I don't really agree with that. Lachlan Johnson would have much better access to high quality AFL training and competition in Melbourne than Blakey in Sydney.

 

[jackess]

I don't really agree with that. Lachlan Johnson would have much better access to high quality AFL training and competition in Melbourne than Blakey in Sydney.

Which might prepare him better for his first couple of years of footy but top talent like Blakey (the son of a former player and current coach) would’ve found a way. Maybe without the academy he might’ve shown less and been a steal down the order.

 

[Fatcat08]

I don't really agree with that. Lachlan Johnson would have much better access to high quality AFL training and competition in Melbourne than Blakey in Sydney.

I think it was more around the point that even without the sydney academy in existence, Blakey would most likely be involved in decent football programs. I do agree that the level wouldn't have been as high, so perhaps he may not have had as much development but with a dad like his i'm pretty confident he wouldn't have missed out on access to training plans, diet info, etc etc. So realistically there would have to be little difference for him whether he was in an Academy or not. Which I would imagine is a similar story with Johnson.

 

[Lace Out]

https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/vide...zzXdx1Ca35j3jPxp8rvbJEj2x52S0BnHZ6NoayFvk1A-Q

 

[patfullfankezz]

https://www.theroar.com.au/afl/vide...zzXdx1Ca35j3jPxp8rvbJEj2x52S0BnHZ6NoayFvk1A-Q

No need for a paternity test there. Poor kid, you can see the resemblance.

 

[BRAB]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/beams-signs-four-year-deal-with-magpies-20181128-p50izd.html

Beamsy has signed a four year deal with the magpies.

Would be pretty shocked if he lasts that long tbh.

 

[T Rick]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/beams-signs-four-year-deal-with-magpies-20181128-p50izd.html

Beamsy has signed a four year deal with the magpies.

Would be pretty shocked if he lasts that long tbh.

That seems like a very long contract for a 29 year old who looks like he has been playing sore for us for the last 2 years...will be very interested to see how he is travelling after another 2 years, let alone 4.

 

[jackess]

That seems like a very long contract for a 29 year old who looks like he has been playing sore for us for the last 2 years...will be very interested to see how he is travelling after another 2 years, let alone 4.

Might end up like the Tippett situation

 

[briztoon]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/beams-signs-four-year-deal-with-magpies-20181128-p50izd.html

Beamsy has signed a four year deal with the magpies.

Would be pretty shocked if he lasts that long tbh.

They had to stretch his pay

That seems like a very long contract for a 29 year old who looks like he has been playing sore for us for the last 2 years...will be very interested to see how he is travelling after another 2 years, let alone 4.

It’s explained why in the article.

 

[briztoon]

Probably not to dissimilar to our contract with Lyons snr.

We weren’t going to pay what GC was paying per year, so we offered a longer contract at less money per year.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Probably not to dissimilar to our contract with Lyons snr.

We weren’t going to pay what GC was paying per year, so we offered a longer contract at less money per year.

And the promise of success.

 

[T Rick]

Probably not to dissimilar to our contract with Lyons snr.

We weren’t going to pay what GC was paying per year, so we offered a longer contract at less money per year.

Understood but Beams is 29 and Lyons 26 and with Lyons there is more chance of him actually playing out his contract.

 

[briztoon]

Understood but Beams is 29 and Lyons 26 and with Lyons there is more chance of him actually playing out his contract.

As the article said, and there is also another article about other Collingwood stars doing the same, Pendlebury and others, that Collingwood has salary cap problems, and their way around it was to stretch the players contracts.

If the Collingwood players don’t see out their contracts, Collingwood will probably do what Sydney did with Tippet, and move the contracts to the rookie list when the players effectively retire.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

As the article said, and there is also another article about other Collingwood stars doing the same, Pendlebury and others, that Collingwood has salary cap problems, and their way around it was to stretch the players contracts.

If the Collingwood players don’t see out their contracts, Collingwood will probably do what Sydney did with Tippet, and move the contracts to the rookie list when the players effectively retire.

Their problem is it isn't an isolated case, their list is well aged and their draft options next year are thin to non-existent.

 

[Harris Specter]

Collingwood players sacrifice cash to help sign Dayne Beams in premiership pursuit

Collingwood’s senior core has agreed to sacrifice some of their 2019 pay packet to squeeze Dayne Beams into the club’s tight salary cap.

A group of between 8-12 Pies were approached by the club to defer some of next year’s wage into later years given the club’s salary cap issues.

It is understood the sums were between $30,000-$40,000, with the players happy to do so if it would help them win the premiership that eluded them against West Coast.

Beams is on a four-year deal on less than the vast sums he received at Brisbane, set to be paid less than $500,000 in his first season as part of a heavily back-ended deal.

It is not known exactly how many players eventually agreed to push that money into the latter years of their deals.

But with Beams’ recruitment coming late in the trade period and the Pies admitting their cap was tight, his signing took some shuffling of contracts.

Haha, will make it even more sweeter when they miss out on another premiership. No doubt there will be some dodgy 3rd party deals in it for Beams and the other players.

 

[jackess]

What a mess.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

You can't blame the team that was beaten in the Grand Final by a kick thinking they are in the window but geez that's putting a lot into 2019. I reckon the odds are that our first pick will be better than 17.

 

[M Malice]

You can't blame the team that was beaten in the Grand Final by a kick thinking they are in the window but geez that's putting a lot into 2019. I reckon the odds are that our first pick will be better than 17.

Lets hope it works out like our 2005 drop off after a GF loss for the Pies.

 

[Dylan12]

Lets hope it works out like our 2005 drop off after a GF loss for the Pies.

And we play the role of St Kilda of inflicting them with a 139 point annihilation when we play them.

 

[MacMum]

...seems a lot of people have put themselves out a lot for DBeams to get what he wants.

imo its fair enough to ask all players to take a pay cut to keep the team together, but to ask some to take a cut so as to pay another player is a bit much I reckon.

 

[POBT]

You can't blame the team that was beaten in the Grand Final by a kick thinking they are in the window but geez that's putting a lot into 2019. I reckon the odds are that our first pick will be better than 17.

The competition feels more and more even. I certainly don't write Collingwood off as a flag chance, particularly with Beams. But, equally, they could play just about as well next year and not make the top 4. Teams like Adelaide and Richmond could bounce back to 2017 form. And there are teams like Melbourne who are clearly on the rise. I reckon we may be in an era where sustained success by a single club is less likely but more teams are in the hunt for a flag every year.

Collingwood do have a lot in their favour - minimal list change and they shouldn't experience the same injury issues as last year. On the flip side, they are a "system" team and opponents will spend a lot of time over summer devising ways to beat their system.

There are several fascinating teams going into next year and Collingwood is one of them.