Preview Pick 6, 2019 Draft: Who Do AFC Target?

[Flying_as_One1991]

Lets get Sam Flanders we already have a Ned so perfect combo

 

[hey shorty]

Keep dreaming

We dont have to dream about you winning the spoon, it happens enough.

 

[Pugsley]

What's Harley Balic doing these days?

 

[gardiner stand]

We dont have to dream about you winning the spoon, it happens enough.

You lot are pretty sure of yourselves, don’t forget how 2018 turned out after the 2017 GF shellacking.
Enough talking s**t with you lot , we’ll revisit this discussion round 23 next year

 

[Cap]

You lot are pretty sure of yourselves, don’t forget how 2018 turned out after the 2017 GF shellacking.
Enough talking s**t with you lot , we’ll revisit this discussion round 23 next year

12 wins is what 2018 turned out to be.

That is 6 years worth of wins for your club

can you see why we have a bit of confidence going into next year.....

 

[Caputo]

Do we also have Carlton's 2nd round pick again in 2019

 

[Mike Smyth]

When was the last time you smiled?

Sep 1998.

 

[Scorpus]

Do we also have Carlton's 2nd round pick again in 2019

Yes

 

[hey shorty]

You lot are pretty sure of yourselves, don’t forget how 2018 turned out after the 2017 GF shellacking.
Enough talking s**t with you lot , we’ll revisit this discussion round 23 next year

48 points is not a great result, how much did you lose to us by again last year ??

 

[Mego Red]

Not going to bother to explain what relevance points have ,by your comments you seem to ignorant to understand.
As far as being a joke well let’s see
- from GF to missing the 8
- preseason camps
- power ranger stances
- Pykes 3/4 time addresses
- Humiliation in a Grand final
Sure I’ve missed plenty

Points have no relevance, unless a club requires them for academies and father-sons.

Your club has more number 1 picks than any other, because over the journey you are the worst side to have played in the modern AFL.

We had horrendous injuries and still won 12 games.

Literally nothing else you mentioned holds any relevance - especially the anthem stance that contributed to us decimating Geelong and GWS.

Pyke is a great coach - it's not surprising you can't see that, because you're stuck with Happy Smurf and all his empty phrases.

 

[Mego Red]

Didn’t we do this last year with Melbourne. Not the desired outcome when their pick was ultimately worst than ours which they had.

Melbourne should have been in the finals in 2017 and were clearly trading to ensure they were in 2018 - hence us getting TWO picks for Lever.

Carlton were the worst team in modern football history last year. They could improve vastly and STILL be bottom four.

 

[Mego Red]

Keep dreaming

You're the worst team in modern football.

We were the minor premiers a year ago.

It's not impossible, is it?

 

[Mego Red]

First death riding, now spending the pick we don’t have yet.

Way to summon the karma bus.

Literally nothing we do has any affect on the team. This thread is the equivalent of shouting at the umpires on telly.

Enjoy it.

 

[Mego Red]

This could be a true win-win trade. If you finish 4th, Carlton 15th, you have got pick 4 for 15,19 a win for Adelaide. But Carlton also win, they might have won say 7 -9 games with big improvements from their Young players, greatly impressing players like cognilio, Josh kelly. If they can sign cognilio for free, the trade is effectively 4 for 15,19,cognilio- a great outcome for carlton.

Except Carlton could have done all those things, AND kept their pick four.

Stocker won't contribute to a win next year. He'll be lucky to play five games, and risking a top five pick to get a pick 19 midfielder is incredibly foolish.

 

[Mego Red]

You lot are pretty sure of yourselves, don’t forget how 2018 turned out after the 2017 GF shellacking.
Enough talking s**t with you lot , we’ll revisit this discussion round 23 next year

We were the minor premiers in 2017, and won 12 games in 2018 with shocking injuries.

With some injury improvement and our easier draw - well, we look forward to talking with you again in August.

 

[Mego Red]

Sep 1998.

s**t, that's a sad life.

 

[gardiner stand]

We were the minor premiers in 2017, and won 12 games in 2018 with shocking injuries.

With some injury improvement and our easier draw - well, we look forward to talking with you again in August.

The anxiousness is all yours....see you then

 

[gardiner stand]

Except Carlton could have done all those things, AND kept their pick four.

Stocker won't contribute to a win next year. He'll be lucky to play five games, and risking a top five pick to get a pick 19 midfielder is incredibly foolish.

Does being a pick 5 automatically make you better than a pick 19? What a stupid assumption!
With that theory Kade Kolodjashnij at Pick 5 should be streets ahead than Cripps at pick 13 in the 2013 draft and masten at 3 should be better than Rioli at 12 in the 2007 draft.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Love how Carlton posters are saying ‘it’s not pick 19, it’s Liam Stocker, and we rated him top 10’

We could just as easily say the guy we get at Carlton’s pick is #1 on our draft board next year. We can twist the facts so that we win the trade, too!!

 

[Danger in Texas]

Does being a pick 5 automatically make you better than a pick 19? What a stupid assumption!
With that theory Kade Kolodjashnij at Pick 5 should be streets ahead than Cripps at pick 13 in the 2013 draft and masten at 3 should be better than Rioli at 12 in the 2007 draft.

You don’t get it, do you? It’s just about proven there’s a better chance of getting a 200 game player in the top 5 than there is anywhere else, especially in the very late teens. Top picks are generally regarded more sure things

So on plain value of picks (no not points value), a top 4-5 pick is a huge get

 

[Crow till I die]

Does being a pick 5 automatically make you better than a pick 19? What a stupid assumption!
With that theory Kade Kolodjashnij at Pick 5 should be streets ahead than Cripps at pick 13 in the 2013 draft and masten at 3 should be better than Rioli at 12 in the 2007 draft.

No it does not but what differentiates is the clubs player development program and a pick 13 in our system is very much more likely to be a hit as is a pick 4 than at a club that has not had a great track record of late for player development. There is generally less risk of failure the closer to pick 1 at the pointy end of a draft you go even for the poorer player development clubs

 

[gardiner stand]

You don’t get it, do you? It’s just about proven there’s a better chance of getting a 200 game player in the top 5 than there is anywhere else, especially in the very late teens. Top picks are generally regarded more sure things

So on plain value of picks (no not points value), a top 4-5 pick is a huge get

2006
Shaun Grigg 19 (214 games) Gumbelton 2 (35 games) Thorp 6 (2 games)
2007
Alex Rance 18 (199 games) Harry Taylor 17 (237games) Cale Morton 4 (76 games)
2008
Luke Shuey 19 (177 games)
2009
Mitch Duncan 28 (180 games) morabito 4 (26 games) Butcher 8 (31 games) Moore 9 (60 games)
2010
Harley Bennell 2 (83 games) Isaac smith 19 (181 games)
I can keep going but I can’t be bothered....the above are facts...keep arguing

 

[gardiner stand]

You don’t get it, do you? It’s just about proven there’s a better chance of getting a 200 game player in the top 5 than there is anywhere else, especially in the very late teens. Top picks are generally regarded more sure things

So on plain value of picks (no not points value), a top 4-5 pick is a huge get

Ask Essendon if they’d swap Parish pick 5 and Francis pick 6 for Charlie Curnow pick 12 in the 2015 draft

 

[Scorpus]

Love how Carlton posters are saying ‘it’s not pick 19, it’s Liam Stocker, and we rated him top 10’

We could just as easily say the guy we get at Carlton’s pick is #1 on our draft board next year. We can twist the facts so that we win the trade, too!!

Yeah, we just traded Stocker, who was #782 on our draft board, for Carlton's 2019 1st, which will be #1 on our draft board. Looks like a massive win to me

 

[Danger in Texas]

2006
Shaun Grigg 19 (214 games) Gumbelton 2 (35 games) Thorp 6 (2 games)
2007
Alex Rance 18 (199 games) Harry Taylor 17 (237games) Cale Morton 4 (76 games)
2008
Luke Shuey 19 (177 games)
2009
Mitch Duncan 28 (180 games) morabito 4 (26 games) Butcher 8 (31 games) Moore 9 (60 games)
2010
Harley Bennell 2 (83 games) Isaac smith 19 (181 games)
I can keep going but I can’t be bothered....the above are facts...keep arguing

Okay, let's look at the number of superstars of the competition taken between 1-5 over the past number of years (counting from 2000-2013)

Nick Riewoldt (one of the best KPFs of modern era), Luke Hodge (2x Norm Smith, 3x premiership captain), Chris Judd (2x Brownlow, 1x premiership captain), Brendon Goddard (top 5 player in the competition for a little while), Adam Cooney (1x Brownlow), Jarryd Roughead (1x Coleman), Lance Franklin (4x Coleman), Josh Kennedy (2x Coleman), Scott Pendlebury (see Goddard), Trent Cotchin (1x Brownlow, 1x premiership captain), Dustin Martin (1x Brownlow, 1x Norm Smith), Josh Kelly (up and coming superstar), Marcus Bontempelli (youngest B&F winner in a premiership year)

That's not even counting players like Didak, Ball, Wells, Deledio, Griffen, Murphy, Thomas, Gibbs, Nic Nat, Gaff, Coniglio, Whitfield

That's 13 players who were superstars for a time and 12 who were stars. 25 in total

Now let's look in between picks 11-19 (where the Crows pick will likely be) for both combined:

Daniel Kerr, Shaun Burgoyne, Nick Dal Santo, James Kelly, David Mundy, Shaun Higgins, Shannon Hurn, Jack Riewoldt, Cyril Rioli, Harry Taylor, Alex Rance, Steele Sidebottom, Luke Shuey, Daniel Talia, Tom Lynch (Rich), Toby Greene, Sam Docherty, Brodie Grundy, Patrick Cripps

So between picks 1 and 5 over that period of 14 years, that's 25 superstars or stars out of 70 picks - bit more than 1/3 chance. In between 11 and 19, there's 19 superstars out of 126 picks. That's a 3/10 chance, with less 'superstars' than the top 5

I know which I'd prefer. Especially considering our immaculate drafting record with Hamish