What They're Saying - The Bulldogs Media Thread - Part 2

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Dogs pick to be first trade target

  • Michael Gleeson21 November 2018 — 6:13pm

    The possibility has emerged that the Dogs could trade their pick to move a few places in the draft in exchange for an extra draft pick in this or next year's draft, and still secure the player they wanted.

    Adelaide, Port Adelaide and Greater Western Sydney are all keenly interested in the Dogs' first selection at pick seven. The three clubs have eight of the next 12 picks in the draft after the Dogs' pick seven, with the Crows holding eight, 13 and 16, the Power 10 and 15, and the Giants nine, 11 and 19.

    It is highly unlikely that any of the clubs with the first six picks - Carlton, Gold Coast, St Kilda and Port - will trade their early selections, so the Dogs' pick shapes as an attractive, attainable, option.

    The Bulldogs are believed to be keen on midfielder Bailey Smith while the clubs after them have other priorities. So potentially the Dogs could trade seven and still get Smith, or another player they rate equally, as well as an extra draft pick.

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    Bulldogs chief executive Ameet Bains.Credit:pat Scala

    Adelaide have the next pick in the draft at eight so while it would seem unusual for them to trade to move one place in the draft it makes sense if they feared another club, such as Port Adelaide, were to trade for the pick and leapfrog them into pick seven.

    That would especially be the case if a prized South Australian talent such as Connor Rozee unexpectedly slipped through and was still available.

    "I would imagine every club is open minded to the possibilities of live trading and we are in the same position," Bulldogs chief executive Ameet Bains said.

    "The challenge for us and for everyone is that this is the first time we are doing it and we are doing it with a five-minute pick period. There is a tight time frame on it."

    This year is the first time the AFL has permitted live trading of draft picks. The draft this year is spread over two days, commencing with the first round on Thursday night and resuming for the remainder of the draft on Friday afternoon.

    Most clubs believe there will be more trading in the back end of the draft as this is a draft popularly considered to be strong at the top end but thinner for talent after the first 30 players. Also, once clubs have traded for academy and father-son players and have clarity around what points they need, they will be more inclined to trade picks.
 
Can someone who has HeraldSun access please copy and paste the article in today's edition about Bailey Smith having an impact next year...
Thanks in advance Bulldog!
 
What do they mean in the article "11-th hour meeting with the Bulldogs"? Posters on here had been saying for weeks he was likely to be available at our pick. If our recruiters had been doing their job correctly surely this wasn't the first meeting with Bailey. I hope it was just a poor choice of words by the journalist.
 
Mr. Walker said:
What do they mean in the article "11-th hour meeting with the Bulldogs"? Posters on here had been saying for weeks he was likely to be available at our pick. If our recruiters had been doing their job correctly surely this wasn't the first meeting with Bailey. I hope it was just a poor choice of words by the journalist.
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Doubt it was the first meeting they would have had. 11th hour just pretty much means a late/last minute call up. "hey mate, sorry for the short notice, but any chance you can be at the Oval in an hour or two? We'd like to chat to you some more"
 
Mr. Walker said:
What do they mean in the article "11-th hour meeting with the Bulldogs"? Posters on here had been saying for weeks he was likely to be available at our pick. If our recruiters had been doing their job correctly surely this wasn't the first meeting with Bailey. I hope it was just a poor choice of words by the journalist.
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Previous meetings: "You might be coming to us."
This meeting: "You will be coming to us. Easton has your room ready."
 

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RedWhite&Blue said:
Can someone who has HeraldSun access please copy and paste the article in today's edition about Bailey Smith having an impact next year...
Thanks in advance Bulldog!
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I already put it in the Bailey Smith thread.
 
Western Bulldogs to employ data analyst to bolster the club’s recruiting department
NOVEMBER 29, 2018Western Bulldogs are hunting a data analyst to bolster their recruiting department and help identify new trends in the game.

In a move which is becoming more popular with clubs, the Dogs are looking for a data scientist or qualified mathematician to support key list management decisions.

The new number-cruncher will be responsible for evaluating the statistical performance of AFL players, teams and potential draftees.

LIST REVIEW: WHO HAS THE OLDEST LIST IN THE AFL?

AWARDS: WHO WILL BE THIS YEAR'S RISING STAR?

FLAG: WHERE IS YOUR CLUB ON THE PREMIERSHIP CLOCK?

Applications for the list and recruiting analytics and innovation manager closed on Wednesday.

Clubs including Hawthorn, Sydney and Adelaide are considered the AFL's frontrunners in this area, while St Kilda recently poached the Hawks’ data analyst Darren O'Shaughnessy and North Melbourne welcomed Champion Data's Glenn Luff.

In particular, O'Shaughnessy has been lauded for his input at Waverley, where the club's ability to stay ahead of the tactical curve was a key plank in their golden premiership reign.

St Kilda football boss Simon Lethlean said it was an area St Kilda wanted to improve in.

Luke Beveridge and the Western Bulldogs want to employ a data analyst. Pic: Michael Klein
We probably lacked some real grunt and analytical smarts that need to be there for us to go to the next level in how we analyse our recruiting, how we analyse our game-plan, match day, and how we utilise all our data, Lethlean said.

“It’s a great coup for the club I reckon, to get a guy of his quality.”

Similarly, the Bulldogs want to bolster their expertise in this area as Luke Beveridge’s men attempt to jump back into the eight next year, after missing finals over the past two seasons.

Specifically, the Bulldogs want someone responsible for analysing and predicting game trends and conducting research projects and analysis relating to player acquisitions.

However, some clubs remain sceptical about the value of this role, and believe a full-time analyst is an unnecessary added expense.

But it paid dividends for Sydney Swans on draft night when an idea masterminded by Swans’ analysist Chris Keane, from GWS Giants, enabled the Swans to pickup academy forward Nick Blakey more cheaply than anticipated.

Sydney temporarily swapped out its second-round pick with West Coast so it didn't have to be used on academy prospect Nick Blakey. Once the forward was secured, the Swans activated another deal with the Eagles to regain a second-round pick.

The AFL has since confirmed it may outlaw similar move in future.
Western Bulldogs are hunting a data analyst to bolster their recruiting department and help identify new trends in the game.

In a move which is becoming more popular with clubs, the Dogs are looking for a data scientist or qualified mathematician to support key list management decisions.

The new number-cruncher will be responsible for “evaluating the statistical performance of AFL players, teams and potential draftees”.

LIST REVIEW: WHO HAS THE OLDEST LIST IN THE AFL?

AWARDS: WHO WILL BE THIS YEAR’S RISING STAR?

FLAG: WHERE IS YOUR CLUB ON THE PREMIERSHIP CLOCK?

Applications for the list and recruiting analytics and innovation manager closed on Wednesday.

Clubs including Hawthorn, Sydney and Adelaide are considered the AFL’s frontrunners in this area, while St Kilda recently poached the Hawks’ data analyst Darren O’Shaughnessy and North Melbourne welcomed Champion Data’s Glenn Luff.

In particular, O’Shaughnessy has been lauded for his input at Waverley, where the club’s ability to stay ahead of the tactical curve was a key plank in their golden premiership reign.

St Kilda football boss Simon Lethlean said it was an area St Kilda wanted to improve in.

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Luke Beveridge and the Western Bulldogs want to employ a data analyst. Pic: Michael Klein
“We probably lacked some real grunt and analytical smarts that need to be there for us to go to the next level in how we analyse our recruiting, how we analyse our game-plan, match day, and how we utilise all our data,” Lethlean said.

“It’s a great coup for the club I reckon, to get a guy of his quality.”

Similarly, the Bulldogs want to bolster their expertise in this area as Luke Beveridge’s men attempt to jump back into the eight next year, after missing finals over the past two seasons.

Specifically, the Bulldogs want someone responsible for “analysing and predicting game trends” and “conducting research projects and analysis relating to player acquisitions”.

However, some clubs remain sceptical about the value of this role, and believe a full-time analyst is an unnecessary added expense.

But it paid dividends for Sydney Swans on draft night when an idea masterminded by Swans’ analysist Chris Keane, from GWS Giants, enabled the Swans to pickup academy forward Nick Blakey more cheaply than anticipated.

Sydney temporarily swapped out its second-round pick with West Coast so it didn’t have to be used on academy prospect Nick Blakey. Once the forward was secured, the Swans activated another deal with the Eagles to regain a second-round pick.

The AFL has since confirmed it may outlaw similar move in future.
 
ScragCity said:
Pretty amazed we didnt already have a data analyst employed...
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I think they used to have someone from VU doing for us as part of a doctorate. There was a really good article after the premiership about how they were using computer learning to analyse player and ball movement around packs and finding the best places for players to move to. Might have been part of the reason the handball club was so successful.
 
compact72 said:
Western Bulldogs to employ data analyst to bolster the club’s recruiting department
NOVEMBER 29, 2018Western Bulldogs are hunting a data analyst to bolster their recruiting department and help identify new trends in the game.

In a move which is becoming more popular with clubs, the Dogs are looking for a data scientist or qualified mathematician to support key list management decisions.

The new number-cruncher will be responsible for evaluating the statistical performance of AFL players, teams and potential draftees.

LIST REVIEW: WHO HAS THE OLDEST LIST IN THE AFL?

AWARDS: WHO WILL BE THIS YEAR'S RISING STAR?

FLAG: WHERE IS YOUR CLUB ON THE PREMIERSHIP CLOCK?

Applications for the list and recruiting analytics and innovation manager closed on Wednesday.

Clubs including Hawthorn, Sydney and Adelaide are considered the AFL's frontrunners in this area, while St Kilda recently poached the Hawks’ data analyst Darren O'Shaughnessy and North Melbourne welcomed Champion Data's Glenn Luff.

In particular, O'Shaughnessy has been lauded for his input at Waverley, where the club's ability to stay ahead of the tactical curve was a key plank in their golden premiership reign.

St Kilda football boss Simon Lethlean said it was an area St Kilda wanted to improve in.

Luke Beveridge and the Western Bulldogs want to employ a data analyst. Pic: Michael Klein
We probably lacked some real grunt and analytical smarts that need to be there for us to go to the next level in how we analyse our recruiting, how we analyse our game-plan, match day, and how we utilise all our data, Lethlean said.

“It’s a great coup for the club I reckon, to get a guy of his quality.”

Similarly, the Bulldogs want to bolster their expertise in this area as Luke Beveridge’s men attempt to jump back into the eight next year, after missing finals over the past two seasons.

Specifically, the Bulldogs want someone responsible for analysing and predicting game trends and conducting research projects and analysis relating to player acquisitions.

However, some clubs remain sceptical about the value of this role, and believe a full-time analyst is an unnecessary added expense.

But it paid dividends for Sydney Swans on draft night when an idea masterminded by Swans’ analysist Chris Keane, from GWS Giants, enabled the Swans to pickup academy forward Nick Blakey more cheaply than anticipated.

Sydney temporarily swapped out its second-round pick with West Coast so it didn't have to be used on academy prospect Nick Blakey. Once the forward was secured, the Swans activated another deal with the Eagles to regain a second-round pick.

The AFL has since confirmed it may outlaw similar move in future.
Western Bulldogs are hunting a data analyst to bolster their recruiting department and help identify new trends in the game.

In a move which is becoming more popular with clubs, the Dogs are looking for a data scientist or qualified mathematician to support key list management decisions.

The new number-cruncher will be responsible for “evaluating the statistical performance of AFL players, teams and potential draftees”.

LIST REVIEW: WHO HAS THE OLDEST LIST IN THE AFL?

AWARDS: WHO WILL BE THIS YEAR’S RISING STAR?

FLAG: WHERE IS YOUR CLUB ON THE PREMIERSHIP CLOCK?

Applications for the list and recruiting analytics and innovation manager closed on Wednesday.

Clubs including Hawthorn, Sydney and Adelaide are considered the AFL’s frontrunners in this area, while St Kilda recently poached the Hawks’ data analyst Darren O’Shaughnessy and North Melbourne welcomed Champion Data’s Glenn Luff.

In particular, O’Shaughnessy has been lauded for his input at Waverley, where the club’s ability to stay ahead of the tactical curve was a key plank in their golden premiership reign.

St Kilda football boss Simon Lethlean said it was an area St Kilda wanted to improve in.

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Luke Beveridge and the Western Bulldogs want to employ a data analyst. Pic: Michael Klein
“We probably lacked some real grunt and analytical smarts that need to be there for us to go to the next level in how we analyse our recruiting, how we analyse our game-plan, match day, and how we utilise all our data,” Lethlean said.

“It’s a great coup for the club I reckon, to get a guy of his quality.”

Similarly, the Bulldogs want to bolster their expertise in this area as Luke Beveridge’s men attempt to jump back into the eight next year, after missing finals over the past two seasons.

Specifically, the Bulldogs want someone responsible for “analysing and predicting game trends” and “conducting research projects and analysis relating to player acquisitions”.

However, some clubs remain sceptical about the value of this role, and believe a full-time analyst is an unnecessary added expense.

But it paid dividends for Sydney Swans on draft night when an idea masterminded by Swans’ analysist Chris Keane, from GWS Giants, enabled the Swans to pickup academy forward Nick Blakey more cheaply than anticipated.

Sydney temporarily swapped out its second-round pick with West Coast so it didn’t have to be used on academy prospect Nick Blakey. Once the forward was secured, the Swans activated another deal with the Eagles to regain a second-round pick.

The AFL has since confirmed it may outlaw similar move in future.
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Can we get the analyst to calculate how much beer Bulldogs supporters will drink in a Prelim final and send the results to Spotless!


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compact72 said:
Western Bulldogs to employ data analyst to bolster the club’s recruiting department
NOVEMBER 29, 2018Western Bulldogs are hunting a data analyst to bolster their recruiting department and help identify new trends in the game.

In a move which is becoming more popular with clubs, the Dogs are looking for a data scientist or qualified mathematician to support key list management decisions.

The new number-cruncher will be responsible for evaluating the statistical performance of AFL players, teams and potential draftees.

LIST REVIEW: WHO HAS THE OLDEST LIST IN THE AFL?

AWARDS: WHO WILL BE THIS YEAR'S RISING STAR?

FLAG: WHERE IS YOUR CLUB ON THE PREMIERSHIP CLOCK?

Applications for the list and recruiting analytics and innovation manager closed on Wednesday.

Clubs including Hawthorn, Sydney and Adelaide are considered the AFL's frontrunners in this area, while St Kilda recently poached the Hawks’ data analyst Darren O'Shaughnessy and North Melbourne welcomed Champion Data's Glenn Luff.

In particular, O'Shaughnessy has been lauded for his input at Waverley, where the club's ability to stay ahead of the tactical curve was a key plank in their golden premiership reign.

St Kilda football boss Simon Lethlean said it was an area St Kilda wanted to improve in.

Luke Beveridge and the Western Bulldogs want to employ a data analyst. Pic: Michael Klein
We probably lacked some real grunt and analytical smarts that need to be there for us to go to the next level in how we analyse our recruiting, how we analyse our game-plan, match day, and how we utilise all our data, Lethlean said.

“It’s a great coup for the club I reckon, to get a guy of his quality.”

Similarly, the Bulldogs want to bolster their expertise in this area as Luke Beveridge’s men attempt to jump back into the eight next year, after missing finals over the past two seasons.

Specifically, the Bulldogs want someone responsible for analysing and predicting game trends and conducting research projects and analysis relating to player acquisitions.

However, some clubs remain sceptical about the value of this role, and believe a full-time analyst is an unnecessary added expense.

But it paid dividends for Sydney Swans on draft night when an idea masterminded by Swans’ analysist Chris Keane, from GWS Giants, enabled the Swans to pickup academy forward Nick Blakey more cheaply than anticipated.

Sydney temporarily swapped out its second-round pick with West Coast so it didn't have to be used on academy prospect Nick Blakey. Once the forward was secured, the Swans activated another deal with the Eagles to regain a second-round pick.

The AFL has since confirmed it may outlaw similar move in future.
Western Bulldogs are hunting a data analyst to bolster their recruiting department and help identify new trends in the game.

In a move which is becoming more popular with clubs, the Dogs are looking for a data scientist or qualified mathematician to support key list management decisions.

The new number-cruncher will be responsible for “evaluating the statistical performance of AFL players, teams and potential draftees”.

LIST REVIEW: WHO HAS THE OLDEST LIST IN THE AFL?

AWARDS: WHO WILL BE THIS YEAR’S RISING STAR?

FLAG: WHERE IS YOUR CLUB ON THE PREMIERSHIP CLOCK?

Applications for the list and recruiting analytics and innovation manager closed on Wednesday.

Clubs including Hawthorn, Sydney and Adelaide are considered the AFL’s frontrunners in this area, while St Kilda recently poached the Hawks’ data analyst Darren O’Shaughnessy and North Melbourne welcomed Champion Data’s Glenn Luff.

In particular, O’Shaughnessy has been lauded for his input at Waverley, where the club’s ability to stay ahead of the tactical curve was a key plank in their golden premiership reign.

St Kilda football boss Simon Lethlean said it was an area St Kilda wanted to improve in.

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Luke Beveridge and the Western Bulldogs want to employ a data analyst. Pic: Michael Klein
“We probably lacked some real grunt and analytical smarts that need to be there for us to go to the next level in how we analyse our recruiting, how we analyse our game-plan, match day, and how we utilise all our data,” Lethlean said.

“It’s a great coup for the club I reckon, to get a guy of his quality.”

Similarly, the Bulldogs want to bolster their expertise in this area as Luke Beveridge’s men attempt to jump back into the eight next year, after missing finals over the past two seasons.

Specifically, the Bulldogs want someone responsible for “analysing and predicting game trends” and “conducting research projects and analysis relating to player acquisitions”.

However, some clubs remain sceptical about the value of this role, and believe a full-time analyst is an unnecessary added expense.

But it paid dividends for Sydney Swans on draft night when an idea masterminded by Swans’ analysist Chris Keane, from GWS Giants, enabled the Swans to pickup academy forward Nick Blakey more cheaply than anticipated.

Sydney temporarily swapped out its second-round pick with West Coast so it didn’t have to be used on academy prospect Nick Blakey. Once the forward was secured, the Swans activated another deal with the Eagles to regain a second-round pick.

The AFL has since confirmed it may outlaw similar move in future.
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I know it's only basic, but could we employ someone to teach goal kicking? Or do we need an analyst for that?
 
flipper83 said:
I think they used to have someone from VU doing for us as part of a doctorate. There was a really good article after the premiership about how they were using computer learning to analyse player and ball movement around packs and finding the best places for players to move to. Might have been part of the reason the handball club was so successful.
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Yeah, but that doesn't mean he's expert in list management or scouting. He might be able to write some computer code to machine learn stoppages, but if you ask him. "Ok can you create a formula to compare the relative worth of averaging 15 contested possessions between the WAFL Colts and SANFL U/19", he might have a PhD, but he'd just stare at you blankly, because he wouldn't know how one thing from another from list management. Similarly weighing up the value of draft picks and players against each other, part of the job and now important with future and draft-day trades, wouldn't be his expertise.

Remember a lot of the data analyst guys across the league come from a S&C background, because the GPS's they wear record more than simply total distance run - they contain a wealth of information that you can then unpack, but requires a certain amount of data anlaysis skills. Just because any given individual works in sport and has data analysis ability, doesn't mean they work in all areas. You ask a guy who works in S&C and GPS data analysis to help the draft team and he'd have no clue. You ask someone who can do some pretty in depth analysis stuff on looking at the value of draft picks and finding value in underage statistics to help with unpacking the numbers in a GPS and using that to help a player's training load, and he'd also have no clue. Both could have identical computer science skills.

The article is pretty pissy though. It manages to thin out what is a pretty straight forward job offer - something that half the clubs would certainly have - but links it broadly to all kinds of "data analytics" jobs that have vaguely made the news in recent years. Darren O'Shaughnessey, for example, listed in that article, would know next to nothing about list management and player recruitment - despite being one of the most respected data guys and the head data guy at Champion Data in the late 90's and early 2000's when he turned it into the forceful company it was today - but that's his skill, data collection, organisation and understanding how that relates to the tactics of the game (ball movement, breaking down the game). Our bloke from VU is very similar, and has a S&C background as well.
 
Dogs_R_Us said:
Dogs v WCE, early 2000s, on Fox now. We had Rawlings at the time. He kicked 6.

And Sam Power :)

Coons' first game.

Clinton Grybas commentating :'(

We lost :disappointed:

Peter Rohde was our mastermind.
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7.4, how good was this gunna be :rolleyes:
 
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