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Champion Data stats have always only been relevant when they confirm the point you are trying to make. Otherwise they are completely useless
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they must tweak the algorithms surely, or Ted Hopkins files chapter eleven *Maybe the importance champion data rates on certain stats has become outdated
This is obviously based on pure stats, so there are no biases involved there
So this year's Grand Finalists were rated 12th (premiers) and 10th. Top team after the H&A were rated 8th. Three of the top four after H&A were rated outside of the top eight.
Top ranked team knocked out in the first week of the finals (and pantsed in the process), the second and third ranked team didn't even make the finals.
Oh and the current Brownlow Medallist wasn't rated as elite. Neither was the bloke that won the Coleman Medal.
And Jack Watts was rated as above average.
you know all AFL clubs use their stats, right?It’s hard to believe the coverage this stats crap gets. I guess it’s the fantasy footy thing.
2018
18. Carlton – One elite player (Sam Docherty).
none of those players are eliteEssendon only have 2 elite players? what about Merret,Smith,Shiel,Heppel,Fantasia etc
Get stuffed Champion data lols
Shiel was in the AA team in 2017, that's a pretty elite group.none of those players are elite
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Being elite for a single season doesn't make you elite. Then James Frawley is still an elite FBShiel was in the AA team in 2017, that's a pretty elite group.
He's 25, doubt it will be his only time. He wasn't eligible in 2015 because of injury. , Must have been close in 2016 and played a new role in 2018 for the first time.Being elite for a single season doesn't make you elite. Then James Frawley is still an elite FB
CD's stats and algorithms have far more credibility than the IPCCs flawed climate model predictions, which are never correct, yet I bet most of you lemmings worship the climate change hoax.
The irony.
He's 25, doubt it will be his only time. He wasn't eligible in 2015 because of injury. , Must have been close in 2016 and played a new role in 2018 for the first time.
No it isn't, and yes he is.Irrelevant. He's not in the AFL elite
Fraught with huge problems. Do 21 year olds improve across the board? Do they do so sufficiently to provide what, a 10-20% statistical bump for all 21 year olds across the board as a predictive model?Also one problem with the model that Champion Data seem to be using is they are not trying to predict improvements in younger players and declines in older ones. There are stats on how much better an average player is at 21 than he was at 20, so it would be interesting if Champion Data applied those stats, and predicted improvements in young players based on past improvements by not only them individually but also the average improvements from players.
Just utterly clueless.
No it isn't, and yes he is.
Champion Data seems to be more about stat padding e.g. look at Tom Mitchell and where he was rated this year. Best stat padding teams are at the top is not a surprise. Melbourne have the likes of Gawn, Oliver, Viney who love the cheap possessions and Adelaide with Laird, Sloane etc as well loving the cheap possessions
Champion data are not any better at predicting the ladder than anyone else. It is however good to get an objective and stats driven view point to add to the overall argument.
One of the weaknesses of using stats to drive player value is that players that are assigned more negative or negating roles will always be underrated. This could include a range of roles including defenders, taggers, defensive forwards etc. On the flip side if you are comparing certain roles it probably does a pretty good job. eg comparing key forwards or comparing rucks.
Some stats are situational for how much value they provide. I've always thought of tackles in this way. For example if an slow inside midfielder racks up tackles well to be honest, yes its good to lay tackles rather than not laying them but they are not even close to comparable to a tackle inside 50 particularly if it gives up a free. I'd rather 1 run down tackle that wins a free than 3 i'll just hug the nearest player in congestion tackles so we get a ball up.
Honest question from a new fan- what constitutes a cheap possession in your opinion?
Also, any other examples of stat padding you could explain would be greatly appreciated.
Honest question from a new fan- what constitutes a cheap possession in your opinion?
Also, any other examples of stat padding you could explain would be greatly appreciated.
Cheap possession generally means people think it added no value.
So often you will see a midfielder handball to someone standing still who will handball it back to them. Cheap
Or a bloke who gets it and handpasses backwards. Cheap
We value more aggressive use of the ball here. So someone going in an winning it in amongst 3 blokes raising his arms and then handballing it to someone clear is a valuable touch. Basically it's how we separate players who both get 30 disposals as some like Dangerfield and Martin will create forward momentum when they get the ball where as others just pass the problem onto someone else so to speak.