Draft Profile Liam Stocker

[Marcel Proust]

Nailed it. We’ve got some wiggle room.

Golden State Warriors type approach. With Lynch, Dusty, Kelly could pretty much fill in the gaps with minimum wage guys and be competitive. The salary cap will rise too - could be a masterstroke. Wouldn't surprise me with the form the Tigers are in on and off the field

 

[Toadvine]

Coniglio would be nice.

Fly him to Noosa too ya reckon?

 

[dlb99]

and if only you had taken that approach this year - instead of sam walsh if you traded pick 1 for crows picks 8 & 13 you could have got Jye Caldwell AND Stocker and kept the high pick for next year to take another top 3 mid

We rated Sam Walsh very highly.

Jye Caldwell looks a great talent, but he has had soft tissue issues.

Walsh projects to be 250 gamer (if not much more) and a future club captain.

 

[THE_GUN]

Question for the non Carlton & Richmond people here that followed the draft

Would the trade with the crows have been less critical if after doing the trade Carlton had selected Riley Collier-Dawkins who slipped to #20 but most draft watchers had him pinned for picks #10-#15

 

[Robertio]

Are we trying to start a debate now, who's better RCD or Stocker. FYI Carlton didn't want RCD they wanted Stocker.

 

[THE_GUN]

Are we trying to start a debate now, who's better RCD or Stocker. FYI Carlton didn't want RCD they wanted Stocker.

Not at all if that was the intention a new thread with RCD v Stocker would be more appropriate and im sure it wont be long before it is created.

My intention was to see if it was only the trade of trading out potentially #4/#5 for #13/#15 or the player they rated at #6 not being rated as highly by other clubs recruiters or people who follow the draft.

But with a player like RCD which was rated by some as a top 10 may have been less controversial

 

[Shaz2012]

Question for the non Carlton & Richmond people here that followed the draft

Would the trade with the crows have been less critical if after doing the trade Carlton had selected Riley Collier-Dawkins who slipped to #20 but most draft watchers had him pinned for picks #10-#15

No. Draft watchers fantasy lists mean nothing. No reason to doubt Stocker over RCD. Richmond might have taken him too if available for all people know. Every club got their man so take whatever is said after the fact with a grain of salt too. Also Stocker is AFL ready much, much sooner than RCD I think it’s fair to say. This fits with the decision to pay overs to get an extra year into a young fella too.

If it wasn’t clear, I’m not critical of them taking Stocker in the first place.

 

[LordLucifer]

Once again you have no idea what you're talking about. Carlton still has a first round pick next year from Adelaide. It's not stocker vs a top 4 pick next year at all. It's stocker and Adelaide's first vs our first next year. We will trade that pick regardless for a big name anyway measuring this will be very difficulty. As I stated earlier, it's a win for everyone.

Will we ???

Give me the lotto numbers whilst you're at it.

 

[LordLucifer]

To be fair to Carlton Oliver was never seen to be a #1 selection in his draft year and only came into top 10 contention the last couple of months
Weitering & Schace were always #1+#2 from my recollection

You are quite correct.

In fact Oliver was quite pudgy and carried a lot of "puppy fat" in his TAC year, his overall improvement onfield at senior level had a lot to do with his improvement in body shape & fitness level.

 

[Rich01]

Just to be clear, according to Bolton, Stocker’s position on Carlton’s draft board was 8th.

Was it? Where did he say that?

Media reports SOS had him at 6.
https://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-29/how-2018s-biggest-draft-shock-almost-didnt-happen

 

[Jeremias]

Was it? Where did he say that?

Media reports SOS had him at 6.
https://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-29/how-2018s-biggest-draft-shock-almost-didnt-happen

Bolton said we rated Stocker in the top 8 or so.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-11-25/micd-up-the-draftees

 

[tragic]

Bolton said we rated Stocker in the top 8 or so.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-11-25/micd-up-the-draftees

From various reports it appears we rated Stocker in our top 8 players but there we only 6 players we were prepared to trade down for. We were obviously after midfield types and Lukosius and Rankine would have been included. Top 8 is still pretty high.

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

Will we ???

Give me the lotto numbers whilst you're at it.

Come back to me in a year. Let's see who's right.

 

[bmaurizio]

No. Draft watchers fantasy lists mean nothing. No reason to doubt Stocker over RCD. Richmond might have taken him too if available for all people know. Every club got their man so take whatever is said after the fact with a grain of salt too. Also Stocker is AFL ready much, much sooner than RCD I think it’s fair to say. This fits with the decision to pay overs to get an extra year into a young fella too.

If it wasn’t clear, I’m not critical of them taking Stocker in the first place.

You've got a good eye for talent because IMHO the kid going to be a ripper, just a gut feel but presents well no worries at all with this lad. Just needs some time to settle and conditioning upgrade programe to get a look in.
There's a very good reason Silvagni went out on limb to get his man.

 

[SOSforPM]

It does however if they are thinking of making a play for Kelly next year, would not a possible top 3 pick and maybe a 2020 1st rounder look far more attractive to GWS than a 2019 teens 1st and a 2020 1st? - if it meant forgoing Stocker to get kelly next year or maybe missing Kelly because the picks Carlton have don't get the job done for GWS?..but that hinges on whether Carlton actually want kelly

Teens pick... getting abit ahead of yourself could just as likely be a top 10.

 

[Rich01]

Bolton said we rated Stocker in the top 8 or so.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-11-25/micd-up-the-draftees

Yep. This aligns to Twomeys report that Carlton rated him at 6.

 

[The Edukator]

Bookies odds, are a rough guide to the competition. Not crystal balling the exact standings in 12 months time. The markets are not perfect but being multi billion dollar industry they hold more weight than some biased fans talking about their own teams on the internet.



whats the top5 looking like next draft? sofar

Betting odds are largely based on where the punters (read biased fans in many many cases) put their money as opposed to how the bookies think clubs will perform. It's more about exploiting the market than crystal balling team performances...

 

[Crow till I die]

Teens pick... getting abit ahead of yourself could just as likely be a top 10.

Very safe bet it will be a teens pick for carlton from us next year

 

[bmaurizio]

Very safe bet it will be a teens pick for carlton from us next year

Are you hoping for Adelaide to play finals.
Would’nt get my hopes up , IMHO they’ll get close but a few other teams are ahead.
Crows will be best of the teams that just miss out.

 

[Arr0w]

Yep. This aligns to Twomeys report that Carlton rated him at 6.

Wasn't aware Twomey was employed by our club

 

[Arr0w]

Not at all if that was the intention a new thread with RCD v Stocker would be more appropriate and im sure it wont be long before it is created.

My intention was to see if it was only the trade of trading out potentially #4/#5 for #13/#15 or the player they rated at #6 not being rated as highly by other clubs recruiters or people who follow the draft.

But with a player like RCD which was rated by some as a top 10 may have been less controversial

I didn't have either in my top 15, yet had Stocker slightly ahead of RCD, which means little in the scheme of things.

Most people are getting too caught up in possible pick differential, which again is meaningless, as we know you can find quality players anywhere in the 1st round

 

[LordLucifer]

Come back to me in a year. Let's see who's right.

Nah, you come back to me and tell me I'm wrong.

 

[Monkey King]

Was it? Where did he say that?

Media reports SOS had him at 6.
https://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-11-29/how-2018s-biggest-draft-shock-almost-didnt-happen

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-11-25/micd-up-the-draftees

Around the 3 minute mark Bolton says of Stocker “We rated him real high, in the top 8 or so ...”

The whole vid is worth a watch though.

 

[SOSforPM]

Very safe bet it will be a teens pick for carlton from us next year

A Safer bet than this years was?

 

[Rich01]

Wasn't aware Twomey was employed by our club

No one says he is. But he’s reported he was at six on your board on draft night. Not sure why it’s such a sticking point for some.

Carlton supporters should be happy they got a player they rated at 6 with pick 19.