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Following on from barass70 post, "2 interstate players and 1 Melbourne based player will be our targets for next year"

Who do you think these players are and or who would you prefer and why.

My thoughts/preferences:

Harry Cunningham - FA - Has a point of difference that would compliment our list. Beautiful foot skills, can play a number of positions, quick and has shown he can be a goal kicker

Adam Tomlinson - FA - We know SOS has been a fan in the past, again another player that adds versatility and has a decent amount of JustaBattler mongrel

Brodie Grundy - Trade - Clubs are more open to trading players a year out from FA. While it may be difficult to lure Grundy away from the Pies (no real backup coming through), he fits the age profile perfectly for our young group. With uncertainty around Phillips, Lobbe and Kreuzer in their twilight, Grundy would form a great partnership with TDK, as he develops

Other considerations: Kelly (most people's favourite), Coniglio (Stocker seems to be a similar style), Haynes (underrated), Ellis (Durable), Newnes (versatile and tough) and many other OOC/contracted players
 
Got my eye on Tom Cutler at Brisbane - not because of any whispers I've heard, but because he seems exactly the type of player we should be going after.

Victorian lad. Supported Brisbane as a kid, but might be able to dangle a contract and the pull of home. Out of contract next year.

Turns 24 in Feb next year.
191cm, 91kgs.
63 games already.
Midfielder who can play down back.
2018 avgs from 18 games: 20 disposals @74%, 6.5 marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements, 430 metres gained.
2:1 kick to handball ratio.

Probably costs us a mid second rounder, which we'd need to create somehow (or perhaps use our 2020 second).

Might be a bit ambitious to think we can pry him out of an improving Lions side, but he's one I'd be working on.
 
Blue__Balls said:
Got my eye on Tom Cutler at Brisbane - not because of any whispers I've heard, but because he seems exactly the type of player we should be going after.

Victorian lad. Supported Brisbane as a kid, but might be able to dangle a contract and the pull of home. Out of contract next year.

Turns 24 in Feb next year.
191cm, 91kgs.
63 games already.
Midfielder who can play down back.
2018 avgs from 18 games: 20 disposals @74%, 6.5 marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements, 430 metres gained.
2:1 kick to handball ratio.

Probably costs us a mid second rounder, which we'd need to create somehow (or perhaps use our 2020 second).

Might be a bit ambitious to think we can pry him out of an improving Lions side, but he's one I'd be working on.
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Cutler does not get much airplay south of the Tweed, but is very highly regarded internally at Brisbane. I think you would struggle
to get him with a mid second. Early second late first is the range, given their list status. Nice talent spot though.
 
Blue__Balls said:
Got my eye on Tom Cutler at Brisbane - not because of any whispers I've heard, but because he seems exactly the type of player we should be going after.

Victorian lad. Supported Brisbane as a kid, but might be able to dangle a contract and the pull of home. Out of contract next year.

Turns 24 in Feb next year.
191cm, 91kgs.
63 games already.
Midfielder who can play down back.
2018 avgs from 18 games: 20 disposals @74%, 6.5 marks, 2 tackles, 5 score involvements, 430 metres gained.
2:1 kick to handball ratio.

Probably costs us a mid second rounder, which we'd need to create somehow (or perhaps use our 2020 second).

Might be a bit ambitious to think we can pry him out of an improving Lions side, but he's one I'd be working on.
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Fun fact of the day: Cutler was drafted with the pick we gave Brisbane for Docherty.
 

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I would be going after Grundy with everything we have. Would cost a heap in a trade (Collingwood would demand one of our young stars and probably wouldn’t settle for draft picks) so we may have to wait for FA.
 
Arr0w said:
Following on from barass70 post, "2 interstate players and 1 Melbourne based player will be our targets for next year"

Who do you think these players are and or who would you prefer and why.

My thoughts/preferences:

Harry Cunningham - FA - Has a point of difference that would compliment our list. Beautiful foot skills, can play a number of positions, quick and has shown he can be a goal kicker

Adam Tomlinson - FA - We know SOS has been a fan in the past, again another player that adds versatility and has a decent amount of JustaBattler mongrel

Brodie Grundy - Trade - Clubs are more open to trading players a year out from FA. While it may be difficult to lure Grundy away from the Pies (no real backup coming through), he fits the age profile perfectly for our young group. With uncertainty around Phillips, Lobbe and Kreuzer in their twilight, Grundy would form a great partnership with TDK, as he develops

Other considerations: Kelly (most people's favourite), Coniglio (Stocker seems to be a similar style), Haynes (underrated), Ellis (Durable), Newnes (versatile and tough) and many other OOC/contracted players
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Grundy would be an awesome acquisition, but would cost the earth and is at a club very much in the "window". I am thinking we need to
stay the course with the rucks we have, and put our faith in a couple of the older guys lasting another 2-3 years and TDK coming on. I suspect
with maturity, Harry McKay may play a bigger role than expected in the ruck. It may become necessary to trade in an experienced guy, but
would be amazing if we could draft an elite young ruck. Jackson projects super well this year if he can grow a few centimetres and would fall
within our draft range after the swap.

I think we can produce enough forward pressure with the players we have available on the list, but feel we are missing that mercurial crumber,
a something from nothing goal kicker. The trouble being in the modern game, coaches insist on defensive pressure as a prerequisite. There are
plenty of excellent opportunistic types, but few who fit the modern criteria. If we are looking at trade targets, particularly those who have been
flagged, Jack Martin must top the list. Suns now have him, Ainsworth and Rankine, some serious "WOW" if they can keep them together.

Tomlinson and Haynes are both excellent players, but it is a bit interesting trying to slot them in to a side which projects the biggest deficit
to be pace. A land of the giants defence with all being 190cm plus would be an interesting exercise with the modern way of playing the game.
Could Weitering, Marchbank, Haynes, Plowman, Williamson and Docherty(touch wood) handle a mosquito fleet?

The midfielders is an intriguing thought. I have enough faith in the quality of Cripps, Kennedy, Walsh, Dow, Setterfield, SPS, Fisher, Stocker,
O'Brien and (current) lesser lights Cuningham, Lang, Polson, JSOS and possible pinch hitters Charlie, Willo etc providing enough quality when
development catches up. Murphy and Ed provide the experienced stability in the short term.

Coniglio will be a free agent , but has committed to GWS completely in the past and is mooted a future captain. Kelly is going to be a Dutch
auction of ridiculous proportion. There is no doubt our age profile could benefit considerably from a mid 20's aged gun, but they come at a
premium. We now have the engine room grunt to alleviate the need for a mature bull with Crippa, Bam Bam, Setterfield, Dow and Stocker.
Smaller bodied Fisher and SPS are both engine room types, leaving little room for an inside type. Walsh and O'Brien project as great skilled
and gut running outside types (yes I know Walsh could go inside, and LOB perhaps under rated in that area).

Unless it is an absolute top liner, we don't need midfielders. The advent of "lifetime free agency" will open a totally new ball game. If we are
a bit short or lose a kid to a grand father trade out, we will have the opportunity of grabbing an absolute star late in their career.

We could certainly use some run and precision out of defence. We have some very capable and promising back line players, but the value of
breakaway types with precision disposal. I am open to suggestions as to who might be available (or do we groom Cuners, Garlett, Pickett?)

The draft remains our best friend.
 
Would love Grundy, but cannot see why he would leave Collingwood to come to Carlton..

And if anyone posts the old chestnut "but he barracked for Carlton as a kid", I'll ****ing dead set spew. :p
 
Coona Blues said:
Grundy would be an awesome acquisition, but would cost the earth and is at a club very much in the "window". I am thinking we need to
stay the course with the rucks we have, and put our faith in a couple of the older guys lasting another 2-3 years and TDK coming on. I suspect
with maturity, Harry McKay may play a bigger role than expected in the ruck. It may become necessary to trade in an experienced guy, but
would be amazing if we could draft an elite young ruck. Jackson projects super well this year if he can grow a few centimetres and would fall
within our draft range after the swap.
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I do rate Luke Jackson highly. Just looking to bring in a ruckman in that 23- 26 age bracket, so why not shoot for a topliner. I would also be happy with a lesser option, as long as they have shown durability in the past

I think we can produce enough forward pressure with the players we have available on the list, but feel we are missing that mercurial crumber, a something from nothing goal kicker. The trouble being in the modern game, coaches insist on defensive pressure as a prerequisite. There are plenty of excellent opportunistic types, but few who fit the modern criteria. If we are looking at trade targets, particularly those who have been
flagged, Jack Martin must top the list. Suns now have him, Ainsworth and Rankine, some serious "WOW" if they can keep them together.
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I think with a deeper quality of midfielders, in time Fisher and or SPS could be thos amazing mercurial crumbers. Of course I wouldn't say no to Ainsworth. Martin is skillful, but still not sure if he would suit our list

Tomlinson and Haynes are both excellent players, but it is a bit interesting trying to slot them in to a side which projects the biggest deficit
to be pace. A land of the giants defence with all being 190cm plus would be an interesting exercise with the modern way of playing the game.
Could Weitering, Marchbank, Haynes, Plowman, Williamson and Docherty(touch wood) handle a mosquito fleet?
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Both Tomlinson and Haynes have much more speed and agility, than our tall backs. Tomlinson is also a very good tall wingman and has also played as a strong marking 3rd tall forward, I like his flexibility

The midfielders is an intriguing thought. I have enough faith in the quality of Cripps, Kennedy, Walsh, Dow, Setterfield, SPS, Fisher, Stocker,
O'Brien and (current) lesser lights Cuningham, Lang, Polson, JSOS and possible pinch hitters Charlie, Willo etc providing enough quality when
development catches up. Murphy and Ed provide the experienced stability in the short term.

Coniglio will be a free agent , but has committed to GWS completely in the past and is mooted a future captain. Kelly is going to be a Dutch
auction of ridiculous proportion. There is no doubt our age profile could benefit considerably from a mid 20's aged gun, but they come at a
premium. We now have the engine room grunt to alleviate the need for a mature bull with Crippa, Bam Bam, Setterfield, Dow and Stocker.
Smaller bodied Fisher and SPS are both engine room types, leaving little room for an inside type. Walsh and O'Brien project as great skilled
and gut running outside types (yes I know Walsh could go inside, and LOB perhaps under rated in that area).

Unless it is an absolute top liner, we don't need midfielders. The advent of "lifetime free agency" will open a totally new ball game. If we are
a bit short or lose a kid to a grand father trade out, we will have the opportunity of grabbing an absolute star late in their career.

We could certainly use some run and precision out of defence. We have some very capable and promising back line players, but the value of
breakaway types with precision disposal. I am open to suggestions as to who might be available (or do we groom Cuners, Garlett, Pickett?)

The draft remains our best friend.
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Of course we would prefer a top-liner, but there are some solid, cheap FA, that would play a role, as did an Ellis with the Tigers.

Hopefully we improve enough next year, so we are able to entice the players we want
 
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Jade Gresham is out of contract in 2019. We really need a skilled small forward. Right age group and massive potential IMO. Harry Cunningham as a RFA would also be a very good small forward option if we could get in his ear.

The dogs have L. Hunter and Dunkley OOC in 2019. One or both could really help in the midfield if we could get them to move and afford the trade.

Tarranto is on my wish list. GWS will have a lot to do this year to keep OOC stars like Coniglio (FA), Haynes(FA), Tomlinson(FA), Kelly, etc. happy. Expect their salary cap will need more relief if they are to match likely offers from all clubs and this could get distracting and challenging for them over the season.

Cerra would also be handy as a HBF/Mid if he wanted to come home. But contracted to 2021 so unlikely.

Finally Venables remains on my wish list and should not cost a bomb yet as only showing glimpses so far. Dom Sheed also OOC in 2019 and was sent back to play WAFL this year, but his clutch GF goal heroics and late season form may make him unlikely to be traded.
 
Looking at this (while knowing there will be some errors in there): https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players?year=2019

2019 Free Agents:

ADE: Otten*, McKay*, Douglas*, Ellis-Yolmen, Jacobs
BRI: Lester
COL: Reid*, Goldsack*, Elliott
ESS: Myers*, Baguley
FRE: Sandilands*, Mundy*, Ballantyne*, S Hill
GEE: Taylor*, Bews
GWS: Tomlinson, Buntine, Haynes, Coniglio
HAW: Birchall*, Roughead*, Schoenmakers*, Burgoyne*, Stratton, Shiels, Puopolo
MEL: Jones*
NTH: Wright*, Thompson*, Goldstein*, Daw
PTA: Westhoff*, Gray*, Boak*, Broadbent, Jonas
RIC: Edwards*, Houli, Ellis, Astbury, Grigg
STK: Armitage*, Geary*, Newnes
SYD: Grundy*, McVeigh*, Jack*, Smith*, Cuningham
WBD: Morris*, Picken*, Roberts, Liberatore, Dickson
WCE: Masten*, Hurn*, Schofield*, Sheppard, McInnes, Kennedy, Naitanui

* Unrestricted free agent

I put them all down but bolded the ones worth a look. Would add that Shiels & Jonas both interesting but can't see them leaving their respective clubs. Then there's Libba, not sure...

As for OOC players that could be worth a look, obviously depending on interest in coming to us & the trade/contract cost:

ADE: Greenwood, Knight, Murphy
BRI: Cutler, Keays, Robertson
COL: Sier, Adams, Phillips
ESS: Parish
FRE: Blakely, Langdon, Jones, Giro
GEE: Jones, Cunico
GCS: Crossley, Martin, Miller
GWS: Daniels, Lloyd, Himmelberg, Hopper, Kelly
HAW: Hardwick, Worpel, Miles
MEL: Neal-Bulleen
NTH: Durdin?...
PTA: Bonner, S Gray
RIC: Butler, Rioli, Townsend, Castagna, Naish, Vlastuin, McIntosh, Bolton, Coleman-Jones
STK: Billings, Sinclair, Dunstan, Gresham
SYD: O'Riordan, Cameron, Rose, Jones
WCE: Sheed, Brayshaw
WBD: Dale, Williams, Dunkley, Hunter, Webb

I haven't put a huge amount of though into that and some of those have probably re-signed or been de-listed since FW last updated their list.

Some are also most likely 100% unattainable and others we probably don't need or even want. None the less, there's some players that could be of interest depending on trade value and contract requirements.
 
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CJMB said:
Looking at this (while knowing there will be some errors in there): https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/out_of_contract_players?year=2019

2019 Free Agents:

ADE: Otten*, McKay*, Douglas*, Ellis-Yolmen, Jacobs
BRI: Lester
COL: Reid*, Goldsack*, Elliott
ESS: Myers*, Baguley
FRE: Sandilands*, Mundy*, Ballantyne*, S Hill
GEE: Taylor*, Bews
GWS: Tomlinson, Buntine, Haynes, Coniglio
HAW: Birchall*, Roughead*, Schoenmakers*, Burgoyne*, Stratton, Shiels, Puopolo
MEL: Jones*
NTH: Wright*, Thompson*, Goldstein*, Daw
PTA: Westhoff*, Gray*, Boak*, Broadbent, Jonas
RIC: Edwards*, Houli, Ellis, Astbury, Grigg, Coleman-Jones
STK: Armitage*, Geary*, Newnes
SYD: Grundy*, McVeigh*, Jack*, Smith*, Cuningham
WBD: Morris*, Picken*, Roberts, Liberatore, Dickson
WCE: Masten*, Hurn*, Schofield*, Sheppard, McInnes, Kennedy, Naitanui

* Unrestricted free agent

I put them all down but bolded the ones worth a look. Would add that Shiels & Jonas both interesting but can't see them leaving their respective clubs. Then there's Libba, not sure...

As for OOC players that could be worth a look, obviously depending on interest in coming to us & the trade/contract cost:

ADE: Greenwood, Knight, Murphy
BRI: Cutler, Keays, Robertson
COL: Sier, Adams, Phillips
ESS: Parish
FRE: Blakely, Langdon, Jones, Giro
GEE: Jones, Cunico
GCS: Crossley, Martin, Miller
GWS: Daniels, Lloyd, Himmelberg, Hopper, Kelly
HAW: Hardwick, Worpel, Miles
MEL: Neal-Bulleen
NTH: Durdin?...
PTA: Bonner, S Gray
RIC: Butler, Rioli, Townsend, Castagna, Naish, Vlastuin, McIntosh, Bolton
STK: Billings, Sinclair, Dunstan, Gresham
SYD: O'Riordan, Cameron, Rose, Jones
WCE: Sheed, Brayshaw
WBD: Dale, Williams, Dunkley, Hunter, Webb

I haven't put a huge amount of though into that and some of those have probably re-signed or been de-listed since FW last updated their list.

Some are also most likely 100% unattainable and others we probably don't need or even want. None the less, there's some players that could be of interest depending on trade value and contract requirements.
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Good work, plenty of solid to good players from FA options , I’d chase hard Coniglio , Ellis and Hayes or Shepherd , Newnes too.
I likes these players the most because some are attainable and
we can dangle some very juicy big carrots, almost guaranteed a higher success rate.
 
AFL will change the rules on FA if our list and current midfield in particular lives up to expectations.

Can’t be keeping that much talent without interference of some sort
 
Jabba73 said:
AFL will change the rules on FA if our list and current midfield in particular lives up to expectations.

Can’t be keeping that much talent without interference of some sort
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Don't be that guy, Jab.

Also, I don't believe the AFL will intervene until we four-peat ;)
 

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Seeming Hawthorn have no real trade currency next season and are going to have salary cap space coming out of their ears I think we will steer clear of the big name FA’s and avoid paying overs when none really suit a huge need. Also if Kelly does leave watch GWS match any offer for players to send out of a warning. Maybe a Ellis or Cuningham are worth a look but they are more wait and see options imo.

The out of contract options we should be all in for are Billings, Gresham and Rioli. All very unlikely but at the very least we should offer Rioli a huge contract and make Richmond pay up if we can’t get him.
Like Ellis and Cuningham I think we should not commit too early but should be keeping a close eye on Butler, Castagna and Martin, who is hard to get a handle on.
 
passmark said:
The way clubs view trading and the FA stuff at the moment you could look at anyone with a year or so left and anyone who is interested in moving, so basically everyone.

Cerra seems a likely target.
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Cerra will still have two more seasons and would cost a future first on top of Adelaide’s next year. I doubt we do that until we find a some small forwards and cover some other holes. You are right though it’s a completely new environment.

For me unless we trade players I think we may not have currency for Kelly if the dream comes true and he wants to come to us
 
Perhaps worth looking into more detail regarding the players who have the most competition.

That OOC list includes Rioli, Butler, Castagna and Bolton at Richmond, all playing a similar role but in thery with one less spot in the 22 now that they've got Lynch. Would think that Castagna & Bolton most likely to miss out (Rioli, Butler & Higgins in the 22).

Similarly Sier, Neall-Bulleen, Knight, Cunningham & others who play in teams with fairly deep midfields.
 

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