Defensively he is shite, but that is why he should play wing imo. this can maximise his long kicking, even tho this can be very iffy.
Player Watch #15: Jayden Short
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Short is less than adequate defensively at all times. He's almost 23, by the way.
Grimes is a champion. If he was gifted the amount of pill Short is he'd have 20 disposals per week. Unfortunately, he and his mates have to work harder defensively to cover for Short's complete lack of ability in this area. Besides, Grimes always takes on the attacking kick and hits a higher percentage of targets than "bomb it long and wow metres gained" Short.
You have to be able to win contests to play wing. Unless you're an elite runner like Phillips from the injuries. Short is not an elite runner, and he gets pushed off the ball by skinny 18-year-olds. You're right about one thing: his kicking is overrated. Panic merchant under any sort of pressure and more often than not just kicks it as far as he can.
There are three phases of the game: we have it, they have it, or it's in dispute. Short is good at one of them, as long as he'd not under pressure.
I'm praying that one of Markov, Menadue or Naish step up and take his place asap.
I agree in part that he really tailed off. Agree that when out of form he looked panicky at times. Early in the season when he was up and going that wasn't noticeable, unless you are really looking for it. Okay, 22 not 21 last season. Still young for a bloke who has never played back before. But, he would not want to fall back into late season form, as like Brandon Ellis, you only get games for so long before you get overtaken.
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Grrr answered your first point.
Now on your second point you’ve listed a heap of players , yet none in the main batch of yours play in his position. So there’s a vacsncy there already.
In your batch of similar positions I stated Houli was getting on and he missed a lot with injuries .kmac and Ellis are there , but I prefer them on the wings. When I count the number of players where you get to Ellis I still count 20 players which I rest my case he’s still best 22. Naish is nowhere near ready and Menadue doesn’t have a defensive bone in his body at AFL level and is a panic merchant. Markov has hope , but is highly injury prone so imo Short is best 22 from what you’ve put up.
From memory Rance, Riewoldt and Short were our only three players to play every game this last season? Madness to say he’s not best 22 now all of a sudden.
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Tiges won the flag and stopped losing games* when Broad came in for Short**. Coincidence, the club did not drop a game after, Short went out of the side? (iirc)
** round 18ish
* the loss of the Cats aside, which was unlucky with injury and umpires
I probably shouldn't have included Graham.
i didnt have him as a certainty
Bit like our friend Jayden..
Its more of a problem for Short to not get a hard ball at a key time than Butler. Because it often results in a goal against Richmond. Unfair yes but that is the life of a back pocket.
I doubt any Richmond fan hates him. Everyone just wants the strongest possible team / to win the premiership again
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I’d say that our d50 rebound football is one of our real weaknesses along with i50 conversions.
We’ve got Lynch to fix the latter and I’ve real optimism that Shorty can fix the former. Long, smart kicking on either side of his body sounds like something we would pray for if we didn’t have it.
Shorty s**t his pantaloons in both finals - people have “short” memories about some of our current players early finals records...
We’ve got Lynch to fix the latter and I’ve real optimism that Shorty can fix the former. Long, smart kicking on either side of his body sounds like something we would pray for if we didn’t have it.
Shorty s**t his pantaloons in both finals - people have “short” memories about some of our current players early finals records...
Short shits his pants in regular games too. Other players' early finals records are irrelevant. We're not trying to win elimination finals anymore, we're aiming for flags. Our standards are higher.
On rebound, Short at best is an overlap runner, not a line-breaking one. His kicking is long, but regularly not smart. In the second Collingwood game, for example, one of his kicks was marked by a teammate, and that was a short pass from a kick-in. Four of his long kicks were marked by Collingwood players, and one went out on the full.
On rebound, Short at best is an overlap runner, not a line-breaking one. His kicking is long, but regularly not smart. In the second Collingwood game, for example, one of his kicks was marked by a teammate, and that was a short pass from a kick-in. Four of his long kicks were marked by Collingwood players, and one went out on the full.
Boy, is that some flawed logic. We also didn't lose a game with Townsend in as our second tall in 2017 - does that mean we should play him over Lynch?
We haven't lost a single game with Lynch in the side.
Broad flogged Adelaide's Lynch in the grand final, thank Christ Short wasn't in the side.
Broad flogged Adelaide's Lynch in the grand final, thank Christ Short wasn't in the side.
I’m pretty confident Shorty’s best footy is in front of him.
Currently he avg 20 touches at a tick under 80%. Almost half of those touches are either rebound or inside 50’s with a quarter of them as score involvements.
His decision making is sound, his execution good.
Putting it together in finals is a question, I’ll reiterate that it’s happened to all of our players so I think we can allow him one poor campaign.
Houli, Grigg, Ellis, Conca were all a waste of space in finals until 2017. I’m not sure how you can justify that is ok but Shorty is not
Currently he avg 20 touches at a tick under 80%. Almost half of those touches are either rebound or inside 50’s with a quarter of them as score involvements.
His decision making is sound, his execution good.
Putting it together in finals is a question, I’ll reiterate that it’s happened to all of our players so I think we can allow him one poor campaign.
Houli, Grigg, Ellis, Conca were all a waste of space in finals until 2017. I’m not sure how you can justify that is ok but Shorty is not
There were generally very few good players in those finals from ‘13-‘15.
Broad is at the height in which he can play on smalls and talls, and he has speed and grunt. He covers for all our backs including Rance, Grimes and Astbury.
Broad in 2017 was as you mentioned above. 2018 he barely troubled the stats man. Rance could play Broad's roll and bring in Garth or Balta.
Broad needs to find a lot more of the ball or he will struggle. Grimes upped his possession/rebound/marking last season, so you never know.
Yep, it was the game Collingwood was asleep and let him receive two handballs from teammates and launch under zero pressure. No one in the league will ever let him do that again.
Short's shortcomings were just as obvious in the regular season. Allow me to reiterate: he's soft, small, physically weak, not quick, no good overhead, doesn't win his own ball, can't stop his opponent, spectates, and panics.
Put the ball in his hands and he's good, otherwise he's a liability. All those others have more strings to their bow: they can run, they can mark, they can win contests.
Houli has always been one of our better finals players. And again, I'm measuring against premiership standard, not elimination finals.
Jesus H. Effing Christmas
Broad doesn't get beaten.
No Broad doesn't get beaten, but neither do any of our defenders, Grimes, Vlastuin, Rance and Astbury are all strong defensively, and Houli isn't bad these days (remember when he was being slated for exactly what you are saying of Short). But Rance could take Broads spot in a heartbeat and add great rebound. I like what Broad brings, but he offered almost nothing last half of the year offensively. Attacking half backs are vital.
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If anything it means we should play him with Lynch.
Short was dropped and the flag was won. Flawed logic or otherwise its facts
We have been extremely lucky the past 2 years with injuries and have not had to call upon reserves but this will not last for ever with players getting close to 30 years of age - Broad is 25 years old
Rance - 29
Astbury - 28 (in feb)
Grimes - 28 (in july)
Rance - 29
Astbury - 28 (in feb)
Grimes - 28 (in july)
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I can’t believe what I’m reading on here. It must be funny season and AFLX time.
There's always been an anti-Short faction on this board.
Led with great persistence by the redoubtable 'the flea' if I have been paying proper attention.
Houli was often criticized as having no defensive game when he first started with us.
No one seems to mention that anymore.
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