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Klopp won titles in a two team league which is what all European leagues have now more or less become.
The EPL is doing a good job not making it a 2 team league, the current top 2 sides haven't won a title in the prem era.
 
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The gap could be just 4 points in a weeks time.

Plenty of water to go under the bridge yet.
You're viewing it as a tense Liverpool supporter. As a "neutral", the patterns, form lines, occurrences, are happening to what is typically the title winner. Even if Liverpool lose ground, there's still plenty of time time that City/Spurs will also have another blip somewhere.

You remind me of Geelong fans at the pub I was at who still thought Port were a chance at halftime of the 07 GF.
 

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That's part of the game of buying and selling. Spurs themselves bought Janssen for double his worth. Not every club gets the exact value for players.

We bought him for 30mil in the first place. Back then I said he was only a 20mil player at best and wasn't going to fit in with the way we play.
Still not the point Ross really. He’s been able to buy nearly 400m worth of talent that has not only created a team that suits his style and is deadly playing it, but also has fattened out the squad, and spent big to fix glaring weaknesses.

Pete came in claiming Klopp is the one Utd should be after, and maybe with their budget he would be a success there also, but views are altered by the uneven playing field.

By having the cash to do what they want Liverpool has been able to see what Klopp is fully capable of, not exactly the same here.

Like, the glaring weakness now would be fullback. No longer best in the country with Rose and Walker and now far more workmanlike. No more bombing down the flanks with overloads in wide areas. That pulls defenders out wide which created space for Alli and Kane to run into and score. Kane is truth be told in average form because he’s not getting the service. Similarly with those fullbacks we could seamlessly use Dier to transition from back 4 to back 3 in game without a sub. Gave the side tactical flexibility etc etc. especially alongside Dembele who’d drive the ball forward through the middle. Most of those players could do with upgrading upon but the cash isn’t there to do it. Dembele not replaced, Dier not as effective with fullbacks that don’t bomb on, fullbacks rather timid and vanilla.

So what you’re seeing is a side that has reached 2nd despite legitimately not being as good as it was two seasons ago, from personnel, tactical and flexibility viewpoints. A side that still can’t find a suitable back striker, and in the summer had to sell to buy... yet with the English window closing sooner bids never arrived. A side with Sissoko in midfield, and in a upturn in form. Yet Pep and his squillions can’t win as soon as Dinho is out. This is why judging and comparing managers isn’t easy, not everything is equal.

Take Klopp at Dortmund, the 2nd best and biggest club in the country. Outgunned by Bayern but they know all they need is for BM to be down and they’ll pounce with the title, and they do. In England we need all 5 richer clubs to be poor at once to do the same. It’s truly frustrating, they deserve a title but forces out of their control mean it hasn’t happened.

Add in that it’s also a club that has utterly forgotten how to win, from winning trophies with ease in the 60s to 80s to having forgotten how to entirely. Hard to regain that, lol we need to beat Arsenal, Chelsea and presumably City just to win a league cup :drunk:

Just need the dam wall to burst and remember how to win.
 
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Still not the point Ross really. He’s been able to buy nearly 400m worth of talent that has not only created a team that suits his style and is deadly playing it, but also has flattened out the squad, and spent big to fix glaring weaknesses.

Pete came in claiming Klopp is the one Utd should be after, and maybe with their budget he would be a success there also, but views are altered by the uneven playing field.

By having the cash to do what they want Liverpool has been able to see what Klopp is fully capable of, not exactly the same here.

Like, the glaring weakness now would be fullback. No longer best in the country with Rose and Walker and now far more workmanlike. No more bombing down the flanks with overloads in wide areas. That pulls defenders out wide which created space for Alli and Kane to run into and score. Kane is truth be told in average form because he’s not getting the service. Similarly with those fullbacks we could seamlessly use Dier to transition from back 4 to back 3 in game without a sub. Gave the side tactical flexibility etc etc. especially alongside Dembele who’d drive the ball forward through the middle. Most of those players could do with upgrading upon but the cash isn’t there to do it. Dembele not replaced, Dier not as effective with fullbacks that don’t bomb on, fullbacks rather timid and vanilla.

So what you’re seeing is a side that has reached 2nd despite legitimately not being as good as it was two seasons ago, from personnel, tactical and flexibility viewpoints. A side that still can’t find a suitable back striker, and in the summer had to sell to buy... yet with the English window closing sooner bids never arrived. A side with Sissoko in midfield, and in a upturn in form. Yet Pep and his squillions can’t win as soon as Dinho is out. This is why judging and comparing managers isn’t easy, not everything is equal.

Take Klopp at Dortmund, the 2nd best and biggest club in the country. Outgunned by Bayern but they know all they need is for BM to be down and they’ll pounce with the title, and they do. In England we need all 5 richer clubs to be poor at once to do the same. It’s truly frustrating, they deserve a title but forces out of their control mean it hasn’t happened.

Add in that it’s also a club that has utterly forgotten how to win, from winning trophies with ease in the 60s to 80s to having forgotten how to entirely. Hard to regain that, lol we need to beat Arsenal, Chelsea and presumably City just to win a league cup :drunk:

Just need the dam wall to burst and remember how to win.
Great post. I'd add another few likes but I'm not the one with the aliases that post 500 times in 3 years.
 
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You're viewing it as a tense Liverpool supporter. As a "neutral", the patterns, form lines, occurrences, are happening to what is typically the title winner. Even if Liverpool lose ground, there's still plenty of time time that City/Spurs will also have another blip somewhere.

You remind me of Geelong fans at the pub I was at who still thought Port were a chance at halftime of the 07 GF.
28 years of pain will do that to you.
 

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The EPL is doing a good job not making it a 2 team league, the current top 2 sides haven't won a title in the prem era.
Poch is the only manager who can put together a title challenging team on no budget, that’s the only reason we are up there. If not it would be the same old story as the other European leagues with the biggest spenders dominating. Let’s see Klopp bring through players the way Poch has instead of just replicating what Pep has done at City by bringing in players for huge cash. All he’s done differently is balance the books better but even that’s down to Barca being mugs. He’s built a great side yes and gelled it brilliantly, but I’m not having some w***er slight our manager who has had to do it in a shoestring and promote from within
 

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Still not the point Ross really. He’s been able to buy nearly 400m worth of talent that has not only created a team that suits his style and is deadly playing it, but also has fattened out the squad, and spent big to fix glaring weaknesses.

Pete came in claiming Klopp is the one Utd should be after, and maybe with their budget he would be a success there also, but views are altered by the uneven playing field.

By having the cash to do what they want Liverpool has been able to see what Klopp is fully capable of, not exactly the same here.

Like, the glaring weakness now would be fullback. No longer best in the country with Rose and Walker and now far more workmanlike. No more bombing down the flanks with overloads in wide areas. That pulls defenders out wide which created space for Alli and Kane to run into and score. Kane is truth be told in average form because he’s not getting the service. Similarly with those fullbacks we could seamlessly use Dier to transition from back 4 to back 3 in game without a sub. Gave the side tactical flexibility etc etc. especially alongside Dembele who’d drive the ball forward through the middle. Most of those players could do with upgrading upon but the cash isn’t there to do it. Dembele not replaced, Dier not as effective with fullbacks that don’t bomb on, fullbacks rather timid and vanilla.

So what you’re seeing is a side that has reached 2nd despite legitimately not being as good as it was two seasons ago, from personnel, tactical and flexibility viewpoints. A side that still can’t find a suitable back striker, and in the summer had to sell to buy... yet with the English window closing sooner bids never arrived. A side with Sissoko in midfield, and in a upturn in form. Yet Pep and his squillions can’t win as soon as Dinho is out. This is why judging and comparing managers isn’t easy, not everything is equal.

Take Klopp at Dortmund, the 2nd best and biggest club in the country. Outgunned by Bayern but they know all they need is for BM to be down and they’ll pounce with the title, and they do. In England we need all 5 richer clubs to be poor at once to do the same. It’s truly frustrating, they deserve a title but forces out of their control mean it hasn’t happened.

Add in that it’s also a club that has utterly forgotten how to win, from winning trophies with ease in the 60s to 80s to having forgotten how to entirely. Hard to regain that, lol we need to beat Arsenal, Chelsea and presumably City just to win a league cup :drunk:

Just need the dam wall to burst and remember how to win.
And the one year the 5 richer clubs falter at once, we have Leicester pop up out of nowhere....
 

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Looking solely at gross spend makes no sense to me. While not perfect, net spend provides a far, far more accurate reflection of reality.

Suarez (£25m), Coutinho (£8m), Sterling (£500k) earnt us a combined £265m when we sold them.

We spent that money on bringing talent in to the club, but that has to be balanced out against the significant talent leaving the club to underwrite those purchases. Gross spend does not account for this and implies that Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho etc are still at the club and the £265m miraculously appeared out of thin air. We had to lose something substantial.

The other thing to consider is that those 3 players were all well within Tottenham's price range when we bought them, and indeed Spurs have similarly high market value players on their books that they too could sell if they wanted to mimic what LFC have done to build their current squad.
 
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Still not the point Ross really. He’s been able to buy nearly 400m worth of talent that has not only created a team that suits his style and is deadly playing it, but also has flattened out the squad, and spent big to fix glaring weaknesses.

Pete came in claiming Klopp is the one Utd should be after, and maybe with their budget he would be a success there also, but views are altered by the uneven playing field.

By having the cash to do what they want Liverpool has been able to see what Klopp is fully capable of, not exactly the same here.

Like, the glaring weakness now would be fullback. No longer best in the country with Rose and Walker and now far more workmanlike. No more bombing down the flanks with overloads in wide areas. That pulls defenders out wide which created space for Alli and Kane to run into and score. Kane is truth be told in average form because he’s not getting the service. Similarly with those fullbacks we could seamlessly use Dier to transition from back 4 to back 3 in game without a sub. Gave the side tactical flexibility etc etc. especially alongside Dembele who’d drive the ball forward through the middle. Most of those players could do with upgrading upon but the cash isn’t there to do it. Dembele not replaced, Dier not as effective with fullbacks that don’t bomb on, fullbacks rather timid and vanilla.

So what you’re seeing is a side that has reached 2nd despite legitimately not being as good as it was two seasons ago, from personnel, tactical and flexibility viewpoints. A side that still can’t find a suitable back striker, and in the summer had to sell to buy... yet with the English window closing sooner bids never arrived. A side with Sissoko in midfield, and in a upturn in form. Yet Pep and his squillions can’t win as soon as Dinho is out. This is why judging and comparing managers isn’t easy, not everything is equal.

Take Klopp at Dortmund, the 2nd best and biggest club in the country. Outgunned by Bayern but they know all they need is for BM to be down and they’ll pounce with the title, and they do. In England we need all 5 richer clubs to be poor at once to do the same. It’s truly frustrating, they deserve a title but forces out of their control mean it hasn’t happened.

Add in that it’s also a club that has utterly forgotten how to win, from winning trophies with ease in the 60s to 80s to having forgotten how to entirely. Hard to regain that, lol we need to beat Arsenal, Chelsea and presumably City just to win a league cup :drunk:

Just need the dam wall to burst and remember how to win.
So are you hoping that Eriksen for example gets sold for 140mil so Poch can improve the side like Klopp did with Coutinho? Rather than be at a stand still with the squad?
 
Poch is the only manager who can put together a title challenging team on no budget, that’s the only reason we are up there. If not it would be the same old story as the other European leagues with the biggest spenders dominating. Let’s see Klopp bring through players the way Poch has instead of just replicating what Pep has done at City by bringing in players for huge cash. All he’s done differently is balance the books better but even that’s down to Barca being mugs. He’s built a great side yes and gelled it brilliantly, but I’m not having some w***er slight our manager who has had to do it in a shoestring and promote from within
If Coutinho gets sold for 90mil instead of 140mil we still would have went to a CL final breaking even in net spend.

As for Klopp replicating Pep. 70mil over 3 years is a healthy amount but not in the Manchester clubs leagues.
 

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Well that was a fantastic result. It was a key game which allows us really to have a free swing at City. Spurs losing certainly helped as well.

18 games to go. Goodness me, s**t all of a sudden got really real.

Arsenal couldnt cope with us, we didnt even play that well to be honest and swatted them aside. Bobby is back too which is nice.

I hope Arsenal bounce back though and make top four, I've always liked them.

Oh and Bobby's second goal. Goodness me, he sits down Mustafi, then sits down Sokratis and then for good measure, sits down Torreira. Then dispatches it past a stricken Leno. He was just taking the piss.

Also now the all time leading Brazilian goal scorer in EPL history.
What’s this free swing s**t? We’re going to Etihad Stadium and I’d be disappointed with anything less than a draw.
 
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No one takes anything you say with any authority Jod because you are so hilariously biased.

Klopp won titles in a two team league which is what all European leagues have now more or less become. He hasn’t won anything in England yet and hasn’t finished above Poch’s spurs either so at least until that happens do us all a favour and shut yer bloody cake hole
The Bundesliga was created in 1963 and in that time BVB have won the title on just three occasions 94/95, 95/96 and 01/02, before Klopp's arrival. A two team league it certainly is not. Klopp took over BVB in 08/09 and in the previous four years the club had finished 7th, 7th, 9th and 13th.

Within three years he made them Champions for just the 4th time in Bundesliga history. Then repeated the feat the following season beating out the might of Bayern Munich. He would then finish runner up to Bayern the following two season.

Since Klopp and BVB won the league, Bayern have won the league every year, that's six straight league titles. So a two team league it is not. The only reason people refer to it as a two team league is because Klopp turned BVB into a powerhouse.

So dont make s**t up about the Bundesliga and Klopp.

No he hasnt won anything in England yet, that may change this season and we will probably finish above Spurs this season too. You cant take away what he did at BVB. Or what he is doing at Liverpool.

Poch is a fine manager, but Poch is yet to climb the heights that Klopp has managed. He's not in the same realm. He might get there but right now he isnt.

In closing, you shut your cake hole. :D
 
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Still not the point Ross really. He’s been able to buy nearly 400m worth of talent that has not only created a team that suits his style and is deadly playing it, but also has fattened out the squad, and spent big to fix glaring weaknesses.

Pete came in claiming Klopp is the one Utd should be after, and maybe with their budget he would be a success there also, but views are altered by the uneven playing field.

By having the cash to do what they want Liverpool has been able to see what Klopp is fully capable of, not exactly the same here.

Take Klopp at Dortmund, the 2nd best and biggest club in the country. Outgunned by Bayern but they know all they need is for BM to be down and they’ll pounce with the title, and they do. In England we need all 5 richer clubs to be poor at once to do the same. It’s truly frustrating, they deserve a title but forces out of their control mean it hasn’t happened.

Add in that it’s also a club that has utterly forgotten how to win, from winning trophies with ease in the 60s to 80s to having forgotten how to entirely. Hard to regain that, lol we need to beat Arsenal, Chelsea and presumably City just to win a league cup :drunk:

Just need the dam wall to burst and remember how to win.
Again this fallacy that we have spent squllions. Yes we have spent money and backed Klopp in the market, mostly from player sales. But you also need to spend money to be successful in the PL. Particularly because of cashed up clubs like City, Chelsea and United.

Again another fallacy about Klopp at Dortmund. They werent the 2nd best team in the country. They finished 13th when he came in. He turned them around and now people talk about Germany as a two team league. That's BECAUSE of Klopp.

What you're saying is money helps and of course it does. But you have to buy right. We sold Suarez and pissed the money into the wind. United have regularly pissed money into the wind since Fergie retired.

Would Poch go better if the board backed him with more money? Probably, but that would be dependent on him buying right as money is all well and good but it needs to spent well.

At the end of the day though Klopp has the runs on the board that Poch doesnt and until Poch wins something, anything... then you simply cant put him in the same bracket as a manager like Klopp.
 
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You're viewing it as a tense Liverpool supporter. As a "neutral", the patterns, form lines, occurrences, are happening to what is typically the title winner. Even if Liverpool lose ground, there's still plenty of time time that City/Spurs will also have another blip somewhere.

You remind me of Geelong fans at the pub I was at who still thought Port were a chance at halftime of the 07 GF.
Fair enough. I pray and hope you are right! Still a long way to go though.
 
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Poch is the only manager who can put together a title challenging team on no budget, that’s the only reason we are up there. If not it would be the same old story as the other European leagues with the biggest spenders dominating. Let’s see Klopp bring through players the way Poch has instead of just replicating what Pep has done at City by bringing in players for huge cash. All he’s done differently is balance the books better but even that’s down to Barca being mugs. He’s built a great side yes and gelled it brilliantly, but I’m not having some w***er slight our manager who has had to do it in a shoestring and promote from within
Klopp took on the might of Bayern Munich and won back to back titles with absolutely zero funds. Poch isnt some wonder manager, he's very good though and would obviously benefit with more money to spend.
 
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Again this fallacy that we have spent squllions. Yes we have spent money and backed Klopp in the market, mostly from player sales. But you also need to spend money to be successful in the PL. Particularly because of cashed up clubs like City, Chelsea and United.

Again another fallacy about Klopp at Dortmund. They werent the 2nd best team in the country. They finished 13th when he came in. He turned them around and now people talk about Germany as a two team league. That's BECAUSE of Klopp.

What you're saying is money helps and of course it does. But you have to buy right. We sold Suarez and pissed the money into the wind. United have regularly pissed money into the wind since Fergie retired.

Would Poch go better if the board backed him with more money? Probably, but that would be dependent on him buying right as money is all well and good but it needs to spent well.

At the end of the day though Klopp has the runs on the board that Poch doesnt and until Poch wins something, anything... then you simply cant put him in the same bracket as a manager like Klopp.
It hasn't been mostly from player sales, that's a lie. Your net expenditure since Klopp arrived is +£140m
 
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What’s this free swing s**t? We’re going to Etihad Stadium and I’d be disappointed with anything less than a draw.
I mean a free swing as in a lot less pressure. If we went to Etihad with that one point lead we had just a couple of weeks ago, the stakes would be super high.

Of course they are still super high but now it's like we can go there with less pressure, knowing a bad result wont leave us in their wake. So now we kinda get a free swing to swing for the fences.
 
You'd also still be spending american blood money this season no matter what anyway.
Moshiri has invested the same amount in buying players for Everton in one summer as FSG have for Liverpool in the last 3 years. The Klopp being a chequebook manager thing is wide of the mark. I don't consider Marco Silva to be one either.
It hasn't been mostly from player sales, that's a lie. Your net expenditure since Klopp arrived is +£140m
It's 70mil, That figure doesn't include the 30mil we'll be getting for Karius/Ings. Also doesn't include loan fees (eg Origi to Wolfsburg last year for 6mil) and I reckon it doesn't include addons either and these websites say we'll only get 110mil for Coutinho and none of the 30mil addons will get back to us.
 
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It hasn't been mostly from player sales, that's a lie. Your net expenditure since Klopp arrived is +£140m
He's been here now 3 and a half years. Divide 140 by 3.5 and you get 40 million. That's like standard LFC money. We havent gone out and spent City like money to compete with City. We had to sell players to fund the rebuild.
 
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Moshiri has invested the same amount in buying players for Everton in one summer as FSG have for Liverpool in the last 3 years. The Klopp being a chequebook manager thing is wide of the mark. I don't consider Marco Silva to be one either.

It's 70mil, That figure doesn't include the 30mil we'll be getting for Karius/Ings. Also doesn't include loan fees (eg Origi to Wolfsburg last year for 6mil) and I reckon it doesn't include addons either and these websites say we'll only get 110mil for Coutinho and none of the 30mil addons will get back to us.
No, I worked it out, it's 140 and that doesn't include any of the bonus clauses that Alisson, Keita and Salah around going to accrue. It's still large spending.

He's been here now 3 and a half years. Divide 140 by 3.5 and you get 40 million. That's like standard LFC money. We havent gone out and spent City like money to compete with City. We had to sell players to fund the rebuild.
So? It's 140 in one season also. They went out and backed him twice. VVD was always going to Liverpool - that was never in doubt, it just took the owners realising they had a good side (after Salah was brought in) to back Klopp. Now they're forking out again and if you win the title they will fork out more to keep it that way. There is no doubt.
 
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Looking solely at gross spend makes no sense to me. While not perfect, net spend provides a far, far more accurate reflection of reality.

Suarez (£25m), Coutinho (£8m), Sterling (£500k) earnt us a combined £265m when we sold them.

We spent that money on bringing talent in to the club, but that has to be balanced out against the significant talent leaving the club to underwrite those purchases. Gross spend does not account for this and implies that Suarez, Sterling, Coutinho etc are still at the club and the £265m miraculously appeared out of thin air. We had to lose something substantial.

The other thing to consider is that those 3 players were all well within Tottenham's price range when we bought them, and indeed Spurs have similarly high market value players on their books that they too could sell if they wanted to mimic what LFC have done to build their current squad.
Hahahaha Liverpool supporters and their net spend. So idiotic. Your manager has spent a shitload of money to build a team in his image. Big deal thats football these days but to try and somehow argue that he hasnt done this is ridiculous. Having the amount of money he has had to spend you would expect success and trying to argue otherwise is so pathetic. Thankfully only Liverpool fans live in this net spend world and 99% of other people see it for what it is which is a manager spending a lot of money since he has been at the club to build a team. Coutinho going for a ridiculous price and being replaced with better and more players is evidence of Barca paying absurd prices for players and not Liverpool and Klopp somehow being hamstrung. God you guys are ******* annoying.
 

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