Rolling Ashes Squad Thread, now featuring Haddin XII v Hick XII beginning p. 147

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Labooboo showed the same problem every other bat in the current side showed. He looked a million dollars until he got bored and started chasing balls he had been leaving. Like I said, technique isn't everything, concentration is. This is why he, Head, Finch or S.Marsh will never be any good because they aren't willing to bat time and let bowlers come to them, rather they get out to stupid lack of concentration shots due to CA's mantra of 'batting with intent'.
Was listening to the radio at the time of the dismissal. The commentators could see the plan to him, so it was fairly obvious. They called it and it happened.

Unfortunately that was our biggest issue throughout the series. India had a clear plan for each batsman and none of them and they all fell for it.
 

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No real problem in him doing it, but to quote Sir Humphrey Appleby in Yes Minister:

"If you're going to do this damn silly thing, don't do it in this damn silly way"
I know it goes on, but yeah, don’t be obvious about it David
 

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Aus A toured India last year in September. Was the Tour Maxwell got told he didn’t need to be on because he was a lock for the Pakistan away series, and then was not named in the test squad.
Need more A tours regardless. They should play the Lions more often and should always host teams when we are playing tests here. Have your second XI playing in the same city in the first the selectors can watch it and if changes are needed you have a team that is playing red ball cricket
 

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Need more A tours regardless. They should play the Lions more often and should always host teams when we are playing tests here. Have your second XI playing in the same city in the first the selectors can watch it and if changes are needed you have a team that is playing red ball cricket
If it doesn’t make CA money than they won’t do it. Especially when it would cheapen their BBL product given players would be taken from those teams to make up a second XI to play at the same time as the test team.
 
Who cares what the ICC stipulates, the guy is a blatant cheat and I know everyone does it, but to sit in the sheds and come up with a concocted plan to do it as blatant and deliberate as possible. No way it was an excessive ban.

So was Du Plessis and he got what the ICC stipulates. 3-4 matches would have been more than sufficient. That’s 3 to 4 times more than the ICC stipulates.
 
6 tests and they’re only just available for Sydney. 1 year was fair given the lack of cricket. A 1 year ban now would be a lot more harsh given the next 12 months

Matches not only test matches. Would include the ODI matches too.
 

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If it doesn’t make CA money than they won’t do it. Especially when it would cheapen their BBL product given players would be taken from those teams to make up a second XI to play at the same time as the test team.
Who cares about the BBL guys like Renshaw has played 1 game Labuschange couldn’t get a game Pucovski turned down a contract. I tell you what will make CA money winning test matches so they need to get there development right
 

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Who cares about the BBL guys like Renshaw has played 1 game Labuschange couldn’t get a game Pucovski turned down a contract. I tell you what will make CA money winning test matches so they need to get there development right
Australian public quite clearly cares given the money CA makes off it.
 

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This is the last opportunity for test hopefuls who play in the one day team to stake their claim for the Ashes, as there’s a one day tournament in India starting just as the Sheffield shield starts up
again. We need to see Maxwell in there and give him a shot. I’d also like to see Stoinis at six as these two won’t get another run at long form cricket for the rest
of the summer and are realistic chances of a call up. My team would be for this series would be

Harris
Burns
Khawaja
Lubuchagne
Maxwell
Stoinis
Paine
Cummins
Starc
Lyon
Richardson
 
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We took 17 players on the 2015 Ashes tour including Cummins who replaced Ryan Harris. It will be a big squad.

What I reckon we'll go with:

Batsmen: Warner, Harris, Khawaja, Renshaw, Smith, Head then someone or some two out of Maxwell/Labuschagne/Bancroft/Wade
AR: M Marsh or Stoinis depending on second half of Shield season form (deal with it, a pace bowling AR is going)
WK: Paine, Carey
Pace: Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood, Richardson, Siddle (one up and coming tearaway, one reliable back up)
Spin: Lyon, Agar (they always take Agar)

I actually think with Smith and Warner coming back they'll leave Shaun Marsh behind.
 

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Whatever ppl say, Warner will be straight back in. There ain't many others bashing the door down to take his spot.
 

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Not a lot of love for SMarsh but everyone knows he's one of the top six batsmen in Australia. Its part of the reason people get so pissed when he fails. I'd be taking him to England.
 

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Australian public quite clearly cares given the money CA makes off it.
And it still would make make money. You wouldn’t lose that many players at all. Ultimately test cricket is the pinnacle of cricket for fans and should be treated as such from the administration. The BBL is entertainment not that many people are emotionally invested in a side
 

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Not a lot of love for SMarsh but everyone knows he's one of the top six batsmen in Australia. Its part of the reason people get so pissed when he fails. I'd be taking him to England.
He has experience no doubt, but i really doubt his capacity to perform. Especially over there. One thing going for him is that he has a very good technique and you need that for swinging conditions.
 

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How exactly does everyone know that? Is it his one 50 in his last 20 innings at test level or whatever it is?
Its not good enough... but then again what makes people think cycling speculative no names through the team with FC averages of 25-30 will achieve a better result in England than sticking with an experienced player who averages 70 odd at FC level?
 

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And it still would make make money. You wouldn’t lose that many players at all. Ultimately test cricket is the pinnacle of cricket for fans and should be treated as such from the administration. The BBL is entertainment not that many people are emotionally invested in a side
Okay but what’s good for you isn’t necessarily good for CA’s pockets.
 

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Okay but what’s good for you isn’t necessarily good for CA’s pockets.
Yeah because having contracted cricketers play cricket as opposed to sit on the sidelines is going to be a bad financial decision. Even if you have A tours on people will still watch the big bash and it will still make money, but having A tours will also improve the standard of the test side that will bring in greater sponsorship revenue and will see more people attend. But obviously that’s not important let’s just focus on the big bash
 

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To me the team is;

Warner
Harris
Khawaja
Smith
Marsh
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Cummins
Richardson
Hazelwood
Lyon

* dunno who at six. I like Stoinis for his compact skidding bowling but I dunno if his batting would hold up. MMarsh needs to find form with the bat but again his bowling could go alright in England. Lababababancher or Agar are other alrounder options. Other than that our batting is poo so its probably best going for whichever specialist batsman we think at the time.
 

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How exactly does everyone know that? Is it his one 50 in his last 20 innings at test level or whatever it is?
Smarsh annoys the crap out of me, but he makes runs for fun in the Shield. He's consistently been head and shoulders above anyone you'd consider replacing him with - I think he's averaging something like 90 so far this season.

The reality is that Marsh isn't keeping a handful of wunderkinds out of the team. We just don't have the cattle at present.
 
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Yeah because having contracted cricketers play cricket as opposed to sit on the sidelines is going to be a bad financial decision. Even if you have A tours on people will still watch the big bash and it will still make money, but having A tours will also improve the standard of the test side that will bring in greater sponsorship revenue and will see more people attend. But obviously that’s not important let’s just focus on the big bash
Our Australia A side plays a series every second year. Nobody is going to sponsor or attend an Aus A series that is run simultaneous to a test series. I attended the last time India A toured Australia and despite the amount of talent in our side nobody came to watch and the media barely covered it.

The amount our second best XI plays has never been an issue....until this series, were we had an underperforming first XI and were in a state of panic at the thought of where our next runs were going to come from.

At the end of the day if BBL gets kids interested and playing cricket that’s a win for our development. From there we need to implement a correct grassroots pathway that moulds these kids into technically correct cricketers. An extra second XI tour here and there is merely a bandaid solution.
 

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Smarsh annoys the crap out of me, but he makes runs for fun in the Shield. He's consistently been head and shoulders above anyone you'd consider replacing him with - I think he's averaging something like 90 so far this season.

The reality is that Marsh isn't keeping a handful of wunderkinds out of the team. We just don't have the cattle at present.
I appreciate the lack of depth we have but I don’t accept that we therefore accept mediocrity and tell ourselves it’s the best we’ve got. In fact Marsh’s 2018 has been below mediocre, it’s been awful. We learn nothing from him strugggling massively, while on chance number 8 in the test team. I’ve never seen this sort of circumstance where a now 35 gets gifted endless chances based on potential rather than performance. Yes he scores heavily in the shield and so his selection this summer was justified, but he has yet again done nothing with it.
 
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