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Yes we are.Gee you read that fast. I thought I was a quick reader.
Safe (space) to say we aren't going to agree here, and it appears we aren't really talking about the same thing either.
Inheritance shouldn’t be viewed as luck. It’s your parents and forebears accumulating resources to ensure the proliferation of their descendents. This should not be penalised or viewed as an injustice.Really? What about inheritance? Lottery wins? The share market?
Are lucky wins a measure of effort? Winning what Buffett called the ovarian lottery?
It absolutely is luck. One of the greatest lottery wins of all for the recipient.Inheritance shouldn’t be viewed as luck. It’s your parents and forebears accumulating resources to ensure the proliferation of their descendents. This should not be penalised or viewed as an injustice.
It isn’t luck. It is deliberate.It absolutely is luck. One of the greatest lottery wins of all for the recipient.
And it is nothing to do with converting your own time to dollars. Nothing at all.
So a thing has to be specifically, intentionally, and overtly designed as a refuge for it to be considered a refuge?
Even if you think that, what do you think men's clubs are designed for? Of course they are refuges. They are marketed as such - just without using language that would get an old bloke thinking he has a mental weakness.
Where is the luck? There is no chance for you to be born as anyone but you. You are either born as you or not born at all. Your being born is the result of an accumulation of decisions made by the people who came before you. There is no luck involved in who you were born to.You're reading things into my posts that aren't there. This one is an absolute straw man.
These are exactly the same motivations for creating these two spaces.Yes they are marketed as escapes from "work, the kids and the missus" completely different from the safe spaces in this conversation i:e the uni safe space designed to "shield" fragile Gen z types from their own thoughts that reality brings them or an escape from an individual or group they fear.
People upset at other people for doing something everyone does.I don't see why you see the need to prove that men's clubs are "safe spaces" when they're almost completely irrelevant to the conversation. Unless of course you can give me an epiphany to something I'm missing?
Luck abounds in our every day lives. But for a bottle of wine on the wrong day of your gestation, you could have been a completely different person. We accept you, though.Where is the luck? There is no chance for you to be born as anyone but you. You are either born as you or not born at all. Your being born is the result of an accumulation of decisions made by the people who came before you. There is no luck involved in who you were born to.
Lol. That's not luck. If my mother drank a bottle of wine while pregnant with me, then that would be a deliberate decision made by her.Luck abounds in our every day lives. But for a bottle of wine on the wrong day of your gestation, you could have been a completely different person. We accept you, though.
It absolutely is luck. One of the greatest lottery wins of all for the recipient.
I won out with parents that fed and clothed me and didn't abuse and bash me at random. Who gave me time to get a Uni degree and get myself a job and a share flat.
Inheritance is nothing to do with converting your own time to dollars. Nothing at all.
You seem not quite able to distinguish an argument here.Lol. That's not luck. If my mother drank a bottle of wine while pregnant with me, then that would be a deliberate decision made by her.
Do you understand?
Chief's philosophy all presumes that we are souls in a production line, waiting to be inserted into empty vessels, which is governed by chance.Ooo this is interesting. The choices independent humans have made to be kind to their child are seen as luck to the child, but not to adult who made the choices.
I want to put in a separation here so the to not speak of your family, because that wouldn't be appropriate.
To me, a child raised in a supportive, nurturing environment that considers themselves purely lucky to have had that is selfish as the world is only influenced by themselves and random chance. The child that appreciates that the circumstance was entirely engineered by the parents is less so.
You can absolutely live both sides of that coin.
Would it be luck if my parents died in a car crash and I was left in the care of abusive foster parents?Ooo this is interesting. The choices independent humans have made to be kind to their child are seen as luck to the child, but not to adult who made the choices.
I want to put in a separation here so the to not speak of your family, because that wouldn't be appropriate.
To me, a child raised in a supportive, nurturing environment that considers themselves purely lucky to have had that is selfish as the world is only influenced by themselves and random chance. The child that appreciates that the circumstance was entirely engineered by the parents is less so.
You can absolutely live both sides of that coin.
Yes, that is the decision, what else could it be? If a mother drinks a bag of good while not using contraception, that's not luck.You seem not quite able to distinguish an argument here.
The current evidence suggests that day 19 is the specific day where you might have gotten FAS from your mum downing a bag of goon.
Before your mum was even aware she was pregnant.
What is the decision there? To have a drink? To give you FAS?
Was this decision completely out of your hands, and in the hands of, say, the chance of your mum having a win on the pokies and treating herself to some grog?
You are now talking about extremely rare events. Would it be luck if your parents were eaten by wolves and then you were raised by wolves? Yes.Would it be luck if my parents died in a car crash and I was left in the care of abusive foster parents?
Of course it would.
Thanks Rove.Again, you love those straw men.
Say hi to your mum for me.
Would it be luck if my parents died in a car crash and I was left in the care of abusive foster parents?
Of course it would.
Of course it is.Can we establish a reasonable baseline for what constitutes an adequate and average upbringing for a child before we dance around the extremes of hyperbole?
I think your example is right on the top of the bell curve.
But the parents lifted the finger to accumulate with the expressed desire to give it to their children. It's not luck. There was a deliberate, planned set of actions.Of course it is.
But it is an example of the myriad points of fortune - good or bad - that lead to someone inheriting a pile of assets they never lifted a finger to accumulate, or dying in malnourished squalor.
This is the dumb part of the conversation where people obtusely ignore any subtle example, then triumphantly declare that the less subtle example is invalid or not likely, and so the whole argument is invalid.You are now talking about extremely rare events. Would it be luck if your parents were eaten by wolves and then you were raised by wolves? Yes.
You could then justifiably be resentful to those who learned to walk, talk and not eat raw meat.
It is false to assume that the only thing that matters in the accumulation of wealth is hard work and accurate foresight.But the parents lifted the finger to accumulate with the expressed desire to give it to their children. It's not luck. There was a deliberate, planned set of actions.
What you are imagining is that it is possible to be born into a different body at random.
It's not a strawman. You need to explain how it is luck. A person works hard, accumulates wealth. They decide to have children. They decide to leave an inheritance to their children. Where is the luck?This is the dumb part of the conversation where people obtusely ignore any subtle example, then triumphantly declare that the less subtle example is invalid and so the whole argument is invalid.
As if there couldn't possibly be anything in between the subtle and the non-subtle example, and the examples given comprise the entire argument.
Or to give a name to this logical fallacy: the straw man argument.