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Your side in the preliminary final was both older and more experienced than ours
Only just, but yeah i know.
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Your side in the preliminary final was both older and more experienced than ours
Only just, but yeah i know.
And Hawthorn’s and Collingwood’s lists are only just the oldest. The differences between each club is incredibly insignificant, comparing clubs by age and experience is a waste of time.
the pies ran out of legs in the grand final and got swamped as the game went on.
Pies fans are pretty confident they got Richmond measure and getting back to late weeks of finals; i do concede they are a good team with a top midfield. However about half the best side is 28 and over which doesn't bode well for the long term. Even the American is surprisingly around that age bracket.
Hawthorn and Collingwood have very experienced (perhaps a better word than old) sides and GWS/Melbourne the other side of the coin, i just thought it were a interesting side note to the discussion above
Think it's an absolute untruth and disrespectful to peddle this myth the Pies ran out of legs.
They were 12 up at half time, scores were level at three quarter time and they led for a good portion of the last quarter.
It was a game that could have went either way up until the end and in the end only five points separated them.
People continue to make out as if Collingwood fell in this hole after quarter time. Credit the Eagles for being resilient.
It was an arm wrestle.
disagree choked from being 5 odd goals up. A tight game but the eagles were ontop for a long time - could have kicked away. Deserved winners and i wonder how bucks and his finals harden guys will be able to back it up with another preseason under the legs.
I was a bit shocked looking into the Hawthorn and Collingwood lists to see just how experienced they are even if generally differences between each club is incredibly insignificant, comparing clubs by age and experience is a waste of time.
disagree choked from being 5 odd goals up. A tight game but the eagles were ontop for a long time - could have kicked away. Deserved winners and i wonder how bucks and his finals harden guys will be able to back it up with another preseason under the legs.
I was a bit shocked looking into the Hawthorn and Collingwood lists to see just how experienced they are even if generally differences between each club is incredibly insignificant, comparing clubs by age and experience is a waste of time.
In 2019 - Grigg 31, Houli 31, Edwards 30, Riewoldt 30, Cotchin 29, Rance 29, Astbury 28, Grimes 28, Martin 28.
Is it 2013 or 2019?hmm there wasn't that many to choose from but out of them...
Clearly better
Jonathan Brown
Mathew Lloyd
Brendan Fevola
Matthew Pavlich
Slightly better
Nick Riewoldt
Brad Johnson
Jack Riewoldt
...I could prolly throw a few small forward/midfielders into that also but meh.
Lynch essentially plays Caddy’s role. Caddy will play smaller/spend more time in the midfield. Castagna will be dropped. OP nailed our forward line.
But it all dried up in big games when Hogan was missing in action and goals from 'non goal kickers' were harder to come by.
They kicked some very big scores against some very average teams. That's why I don't rate them as a flag threat in 2019.
You've pretty much added a year to all their ages, but anyway, since when are players reaching the end and becoming injury prone in their late 20's. That is just off their prime, in many cases like Shane Edwards they are getting better. Houli and Grigg are replaceable although still solid players. Cotchin, Rance, Riewoldt and Martin have missed how many games in the last 10 years. Richmond's list is well placed age wise.By
In 2019 - Grigg 31, Houli 31, Edwards 30, Riewoldt 30, Cotchin 29, Rance 29, Astbury 28, Grimes 28, Martin 28.
There is no way Richmond will be avoiding injuries as their list ages. Danger signs from the 2018 Prelim are obvious for 2019. They had nothing in the tank then and now they are just getting older en masse.
The two big games I was referring to were Queens Birthday and Preliminary Final.Possibly the most inaccurate and uneducated post in this whole thread. Well done.
Melbourne learnt a lot from QB. They were thrashed on the spread. This happened in future games too, but they went to school and improved that aspect of their play. It will be addressed again over summer. It's the old story, you learn more from your losses than your wins.The two big games I was referring to were Queens Birthday and Preliminary Final.
Where were your raft of goalkickers on those days?
Fair call. Unfortunately given I don't watch every Melbourne game I only have a small sample set to go by, and you earn your reputation and respect by your performances on the biggest stages.Melbourne learnt a lot from QB. They were thrashed on the spread. This happened in future games too, but they went to school and improved that aspect of their play. It will be addressed again over summer. It's the old story, you learn more from your losses than your wins.
The prelim while disappoint was the end of a long year from a still young side. West Coast lost a final the year prior by the same amount. It happens.
I think you're making an error by reading too much into one game by a young side. But it's your prerogative.
And that's a fair call too.Fair call. Unfortunately given I don't watch every Melbourne game I only have a small sample set to go by, and you earn your reputation and respect by your performances on the biggest stages.
Wells, Dunn, Goldsack, Pendlebury, Varcoe, Mayne, Greenwood, Reid, Beams, Howe, Roughead, Sidebottom
How many of that list are in the pies best side? All 28 year old or more currently, with a lot of miles in the legs.
No worries, I guess the elimination and semi finals weren't big games since you're basing it off just those 2.The two big games I was referring to were Queens Birthday and Preliminary Final.
Where were your raft of goalkickers on those days?
Why not just say that to start?Fair call. Unfortunately given I don't watch every Melbourne game I only have a small sample set to go by, and you earn your reputation and respect by your performances on the biggest stages.
34: Wells
31: Dunn, Goldsack, Pendlebury, Varcose
30: Mayne, Greenwood, Reid
29: Beams
28: Howe, Roughead, Sidebottom
Wells no
Dunn yes
Goldsack no
Pendlebury yes
Varcoe fringe
Mayne fringe
Greenwood no
Reid no
Beams yes
Howe yes
Roughead no
Sidebottom yes
[/QUOTE]not an expert on the Pies team but Wells and Reid in it easily imo
I too though Greenwood and Goldsack where in it, they both played in the losing gf