'Every chance'. Lol as if you would have any clueCaldwell went at 9 and smith went at 7..both are every chance to be as good if not better than walsh
Edit. Both port and the crows would have been willing options to trade down with
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'Every chance'. Lol as if you would have any clueCaldwell went at 9 and smith went at 7..both are every chance to be as good if not better than walsh
Edit. Both port and the crows would have been willing options to trade down with
The point is the rankings of the draft have a thousand different possible ways of ending - none of these are worth speculating over right now.Caldwell being as good as Walsh isnt that far fetched
And you do..pigs arse..give us all a break. Plenty of draft scribes had rated smith as good as walsh if not better'Every chance'. Lol as if you would have any clue
Just like plenty of draft scribes had Jack Watts as the best player in his year..And you do..pigs arse..give us all a break. Plenty of draft scribes had rated smith as good as walsh if not better
Well lets see how well it turns out but if either smith or caldwell have anywhere near or better careers than walsh then this draft / trade period will be a big fail for carlton no matter what spin you try and put on it because they had the chance to play it differentJust like plenty of draft scribes had Jack Watts as the best player in his year..
I never said I knew how it was going to end, that's my point, neither you nor I have any clue - these so called 'draft scribes' and recruiters never get the rankings exactly right, and you sure as s**t don't know what you're talking about, hence why there is no 'logic' behind your ridiculous hypothetical and selective scenario.
They are on a different level mate. Who would you draft first?
The point is the rankings of the draft have a thousand different possible ways of ending - none of these are worth speculating over right now.
Carlton ain't getting Josh Kelly, we will not pay him bigger money than Crippa. I say it will be GWS or North.
Replenishing ruck stocks and high pressure small forwards are far more of need than midfield anyway.
Crows 1st round pick nearly certain to be traded
And what happens if all of Caldwell, Walsh and Smith jointly turn out guns/spuds and Carlton still engineer a trade for Kelly?Well lets see how well it turns out but if either smith or caldwell have anywhere near or better careers than walsh then this draft / trade period will be a big fail for carlton no matter what spin you try and put on it because they had the chance to play it different
Fair enough although i would be surprised if carlton didn't at least have a crack for kelly..he is a super mid and would make any team bettetCarlton ain't getting Josh Kelly, we will not pay him bigger money than Crippa. I say it will be GWS or North.
Replenishing ruck stocks and high pressure small forwards are far more of need than midfield anyway.
Crows 1st round pick nearly certain to be traded
What have carlton got to offer for kelly ir any other A grader now..a late 1st won't cut it and you are really paying big if a 2020 1st was also included..nup i don't see a big name coming now that we have your 1st rounderAnd what happens if all of Caldwell, Walsh and Smith jointly turn out guns/spuds and Carlton still engineer a trade for Kelly?
There's a thousand different what-if scenarios that can occur from here, you're just selectively trolling.
I dont think you can be definitive about Kelly, the reality is no-one knows. I'd back him staying because the ckub has already shown we will fight for him.Carlton ain't getting Josh Kelly, we will not pay him bigger money than Crippa. I say it will be GWS or North.
Replenishing ruck stocks and high pressure small forwards are far more of need than midfield anyway.
Crows 1st round pick nearly certain to be traded
Lets just for the purpose of this we work out firstly what would Kelly's value be in a trade
2 x top 10 picks would get it done imo
If Carlton end up with say
#16 - Crows 1st rounder
#6 - 2020 first rounder
Dont think the Giants are knocking that back
What have carlton got to offer for kelly ir any other A grader now..a late 1st won't cut it and you are really paying big if a 2020 1st was also included..nup i don't see a big name coming now that we have your 1st rounder
Bit off topic but pleased to see Kennedy stepping up in an interview on your site and taking ownership of the need to support Cripps this year. I get these things are pre-planned but it's a risk, and a slgn he's growing up.We invested heavily in the draft + young players over three years and people are still complaining.
Bookends look good - Weitering + Marchbank one end Curnow + McKay the other end
Midfield needs to start taking shape over next 24 months because they're so young. SPS + Fisher + Kennedy will surprise IMO.
And you do..pigs arse..give us all a break. Plenty of draft scribes had rated smith as good as walsh if not better
10 club recruiters said they would've taken Walsh at 1, all the others had Lukosius or Rankine, no one said Smith. I'm starting to think your still dirty that Lukosius or Rankine didn't get to Adelaide. Carlton got the player they wanted.And you do..pigs arse..give us all a break. Plenty of draft scribes had rated smith as good as walsh if not better
2 x 1st round picks is what Kelly would cost. We have yours, plus our own from 2020.
That would get it done, in the event he wants to come to Carlton this year.
Even presuming we finished 2nd last this year and kept our pick, we'd still need to cough up extra over and above pick 2 for Kelly.
You're failing to contextualize the trade (where Carlton is at in its list management stage). We've been hitting the draft crazy hard for 3 years now. We've loaded up on more first round draft picks (the low finishes, plus trading out several players for extra 1sts, plus our pick swap with you guys getting us another one) and traded more players taken with 1st rounders with 2nds than any other club in the history of the AFL, barring the expansion sides.
Seriously. 1st rounders in the past 3 years: Weitering, Curnow, McKay, Cuningham, Dow, SPS, O'Brien, Stocker, Walsh (plus Marchbank, Kennedy, Plowman, Setterfield, Pickett). 14 players in 4 trade/ draft periods over 3 years.
The club is of the view that we now have finished 'Stage 1' of the reset of the list, and gotten in the core of the talented kids we'll need for the next 10 years. For the next 3-4 years, we're going to go hard as we can at Free Agency and Trades.
Literally no one spoke of Smith in the same breath as Walsh. No one.
None close to the sort of first rounders Carlton tend to hold. A pair of likely top 4 picks is Judd territory.Shiel went for 2x 1st rounders. Treloar went for 2x first rounders. Kelly should and will command more if he decides to move
Shiel went for 2x 1st rounders. Teloar went for 2x first rounders. Kelly should and will command more if he decides to move
Literally no one????? Let me have a quick google.....
Likely top-five draft pick Sam Walsh has pledged to stick with the club that drafts him, even if he has to move interstate.
The tough 184-centimetre midfielder from Geelong, who starred in Vic Country's winless national under-18 championships campaign, turned 18 on Monday, and begins his adult life as one of the hottest prospects in this year's draft pool, being spoken about with South Australian forward Jack Lukosius and Victorian midfielder Bailey Smith as options for the No.1 pick.
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...l-stay-where-i-m-drafted-20180702-p4zp2a.html
Walsh is a safe bet as an early draft pick and has the capacity to play 250 games. But with Jack Lukosius, Izak Rankine and Bailey Smith all in this draft, the question is not whether Walsh will be a bust, but whether three other prospects will be better. I believe they will.
http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/...carlton-blues-mistake-sam-walsh-jack-lukosius
So youve found an article from July 2018 and one written by Knightmare who consistently grade Carltons drafts as poor. Almost as if he has a bias...
Even then, he concedes its an "overwhelming majority" that Walsh was going at number 1 and states that it is only his opinion that Smith may end up better.
Now shoo troll. Dont be bother me no more.
So youve found an article from July 2018 and one written by Knightmare who consistently grade Carltons drafts as poor. Almost as if he has a bias...
Even then, he concedes its an "overwhelming majority" that Walsh was going at number 1 and states that it is only his opinion that Smith may end up better.
Now shoo troll. Dont be bother me no more.
You're the one who said "literally no one" genius. Looks like I literally found two people is the small amount of time it took to do a google seard.
Ah yes, doesn't think my club did amazing so he must be bias.