Snake_Baker
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Can't believe I am falling for this. Such a waste of time.
I appreciate you descending from the mountain.
Here's what it looks like to me, in case you missed the various bits and pieces across this thread.
"Me" being a layperson with no relevant credentials in Peterson's field.
His early claims about his possible arrest were totally unfounded. His own little "**** you" to anyone he didn't consider to be anything other than cisgender was just dumb bigotry, not a crime. He was never going to be arrested for anything. He made it up, or didn't know what he was talking about. Great for marketing though. "I am prepared to go to prison for this! Click my Patreon link! Watch my monetised YouTube channel!"
This is a truly amazing extrapolation.
He seems to claim individualism is primary, despite the known benefits of community and regard for the common good. Limitations on speech and actions can of course be justified. He just doesn't like where the line is drawn. So be it, but at least have a good argument and know the actual limits being imposed before you bleat on YouTube about your impending arrest.
Please table an outline of these "known benefits" and how Peterson's musings are harmful to them.
His 12 Rules are an entertainment device, along the lines of Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus, not truly original insights.
Whoever claimed they were?! Peterson freely admits to drawing from a wide range of information related to his field.
Questionable claims are made as if they are objective, proven truth.
Which ones? Are you sure this isn't an ideological construction of your own doing?
His own, disappointed mentor made that comment.
One of his original mentors has been shown to be in ideological opposition to Peterson and as far as I know they have tabled no academically based rebuttal of Peterson's position.
"Order is where the people around you act according to well-understood social norms, and remain predictable and cooperative."
But be suspicious of anyone who tries to change the world by changing others.
Order is masculine? Chaos is feminine? Total fruit loop. See Gray. If he ever actually proves anything let me know. He probably won't, because apparently faith trumps evidence. If you believe it, you will Become.
Where is this?
He puts Christianity up as the only moral guide without any real evidence: religion is supposedly The Path, and without it we are doomed to be nothing, or be controlled by the worst of us. Non-religious ethics apparently don't exist. They just vanish under the incredible weight of his enormous brain, apparently.
Apparently Christ sprung out of human imagination of the perfect being, so he must be the best model. WTF? Like bronze age shepherds and squabbling warlords had reached the pinnacle of human imagination. They didn't even have nugs.
But it gives Peterson an excuse to act like an ignorant dirt farmer.
Where did he make ANY of those claims in that context?
Rather than poetry and the Bible springing out of people's filtered experience of the objective, real world, they become objectivity. He's got an extensive line in god-of-gaps arguments, and they are marked down for the new year! Check out the savings!
I can see where your dissonance arises now. You are looking at him as if he has THE answers, and if he can't provide THE answers then he must be a snake oil salesman..
This biological basis for all dominance and hierarchy is pretty much bullshit he pulled out of his arse. His serotonin stuff is bunkum. Our brains are being shown, more and more, to be plastic. We have much more than just serotonin levels governing our emotions. We can adjust to realities and experiences. We're not slaves to a rigid brain structure.
I just wish he'd chosen a stronger analogy than lobsters, because the lobster thing gives his cultists an out. "He didn't really mean that! Stop focusing on the lobster! It's obviously a metaphor!" Then why put any focus on serotonin and link it back to humans? Why not choose bees instead of lobsters?
I'll tell you why: because he made a weak argument. He spent a weekend copying and pasting from Quora to get his 12 rules book out to catch the cultist wave and screwed up big time.
etc etc etc
Show me where? Provide an academically supported rebuttal.
You can read all of this in any good critique of his work. I don't want to go over all the bits and pieces I read and heard from him, it gets boring. I am not the originator of these ideas - far brighter people have far deeper things to say about his "work".
I'm calling bullshit on this claim.
He's not the messiah - he just plays one on YouTube.
I am not the messiah either. I just read some of the work by people who are more profound and objective than Peterson is, and mash it up with my own dull life experiences. It's all any of us can do.
Refer back to my earlier comments in red.
Now:
Did you take advantage of the bargains he is offering?
I have never purchased a single Peterson related item, nor do I have any tickets for his upcoming tour. Apologies for disappointing your bite sized view of this issue.
All I can add is that this response is predictably vague and woefully inadequate, however this doesn't trouble me.
You have provided virtually no proper contextual examples, or any academically relevant rebuttals, however this doesn't trouble me.
The truly troubling issue for me is how you are prepared to generically criticise Peterson, yet remain completely and utterly mute on the obscene idiocy flowing from the well from which provides this so called "charlatan" with the ready made market for his "product". You claim to see blind ideological subjugation in his "followers", yet you appear to be completely blind about that same idea as it applies to the actual target of work.
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