UK not so much, wasnt that the point?
Society/Culture The terror of 'socialism' being fed as a moral ideology.
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UK not so much, wasnt that the point?
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People forget how close to civil collapse we came at the same time. The gold standard and lingering paternalism from Britain made a "new deal" impossible for us. There were large organized groups 8f fascist and communist extremists.
In the end it was probably decency and humanity that saved us. People who were luckier went to the groups travelling the highways and gave them food. The government found a way to provide the necessities for many.
I think you'll find Japan had mixed intentions regarding Australia. The navy was full of beans after Pearl Harbour, The Army however was much less keen to invade a massive country with nothing but sheep & kangaroos for miles!
After all, invading a defenseless piece of coast is one thing, massive supply lines are harder to protect.
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Lots of YouTubists getting mileage out of throwing words like socialism around. Throw it in a vid title and the click rate goes through the roof.
There's about as many true socialists about as there are true KKK and Nazi's. The go to labels used by lazy halfwits on both sides of the political spectrum.
Expodential imbosiles, I tellsya.
There's about as many true socialists about as there are true KKK and Nazi's. The go to labels used by lazy halfwits on both sides of the political spectrum.
Expodential imbosiles, I tellsya.
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So is Australia socialist or not?
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Socialists usually despise everything about a generation inheriting power from their parents, except the power to vote.
That one they like.
Is a term of service to the Federation of Australia, building the nation, to gain your citizenship a more fairer way to distribute influence? Would you like to know more?
Starship troopers ref by the way.
That one they like.
Is a term of service to the Federation of Australia, building the nation, to gain your citizenship a more fairer way to distribute influence? Would you like to know more?
Starship troopers ref by the way.
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That affects everybody. No idea what your point is.
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Holy s**t. The comprehension of some of you.
Not once did I say everyone who wants any form of socialism is evil etc. Not once did I say if you lean left you want murderous nation-wide socialism removing capitalism.
BUT,
What I am talking about are the minority that currently are pushing for that, the very small minority that wasn't there a decade ago. The very small minority that has a small possibility to grow into a larger group if more follow the stupid ideal. I did make it clear what I ******* meant too. I quite literally mean the moronic notion of the "real communism hasn't been tried yet" crowd. Why get so emotional about a thread talking about a specific type? If you're not that type - good, stop denying that their aren't those pushing for it.
As to those wanting me to give links, who's pushing it etc. Do 20 minutes of research and see that the minority do exist. I'm not stating that it's widespread or that we should be in panic mode, but to deny it is absolutely ridiculous.
Not once did I say everyone who wants any form of socialism is evil etc. Not once did I say if you lean left you want murderous nation-wide socialism removing capitalism.
BUT,
What I am talking about are the minority that currently are pushing for that, the very small minority that wasn't there a decade ago. The very small minority that has a small possibility to grow into a larger group if more follow the stupid ideal. I did make it clear what I ******* meant too. I quite literally mean the moronic notion of the "real communism hasn't been tried yet" crowd. Why get so emotional about a thread talking about a specific type? If you're not that type - good, stop denying that their aren't those pushing for it.
As to those wanting me to give links, who's pushing it etc. Do 20 minutes of research and see that the minority do exist. I'm not stating that it's widespread or that we should be in panic mode, but to deny it is absolutely ridiculous.
I don't think you even know what you think.
You shoot of words like a semi automatic in a school massacre.
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This thread isn't worth getting emotional about.
Why don't you bring some actual evidence to the table? Who is a part of this 'communism hasn't been tried yet'?
Without evidence, this reads like an unhinged rant.
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No, I’m just disappointed
I'm not convinced the movement is any bigger that it was ten years ago, or that it is any closer to the levers of real power. I don't think we'll be seeing a Glorious October Tractor Collective here anytime soon.
But we do see a broader discussion about the weaknesses of capitalism and they are very real. If some of the solutions to those issues seem "socialist" well perhaps we need to get over the tags.
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"Shut up".
The racialist populist right is questioning capitalism. The left has always questioned capitalism. After 2008, capitalists are questioning capitalism.
But the notion that a communist movement is brewing is utter bullshit.
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No, I’m just disappointed
Indeed, comrade.
Mixed societies (private v public wealth) easily go the best. It’s just a matter of getting the balance right and tweaking it in a constructive rather than ideological way.
Which is demonstrably not easy
Which is demonstrably not easy
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Fair enough on your first point, perhaps we just hear it more due to social media etc.
As to the bolded, please stop that in here - this thread is not about the conflations between the words like some keep saying. It's about the nightmare scenario people and that's IT.
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Evidence of what? I have ******* conversations with people about this at work, university etc. There are people who genuinely have this line of thought. I think you're being a bit of a prick.
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I didn't provide evidence because it's not what the thread is about. Like I keep saying; but the mouth-breathers can't seem to grasp... I realise it's a TINY minority; but the fact remains, it is there and it is getting louder in certain settings. Most of what I'm talking about is through first hand conversations with these people. They exist and you guys are denying it like I'm saying that 43% are pushing for it.
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People are telling you real communism hasn't been tried? They're pushing for communism?
There is not skerrick of evidence to support your claim.
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Dude, what is your problem? I have to give you evidence of my conversations now? I'm not saying anything outrageous; have you been to a university in the last few years?
"real communism hasn't been tried" is just the label I'm using to specify the TINY ******* MINORITY because not many yet (thank *) are dumb enough to believe this nonsense. As some of these people genuinely believe that Stalin, Mao etc didn't actually invoke proper communism like Marx wanted.
I didn't want to say this because I was wanting a rational discussion and not flinging s**t but since you guys seem to be flinging s**t no matter what - it's usually a very certain type who I've had these arguments and discussions with - most would use the term Social Justice Warriors. You know the type, females with the short coloured hair; effeminate boys...
Look I get the evidence thing if I was making some outrageous claim, but I'm not. It's fairly ******* contained.
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I made the claim that more of my generation believe it than they used to. Which is my belief based on conversations, arguments and debates. I never claimed there is a huge agenda being pushed by power. I've also said multiple times now it's still a TINY minority, but in my view it's been louder and more frequent lately. Maybe in your life it hasn't; maybe in mine it hasn't and I've just noticed it more. I'm pretty open minded and when I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I wanted to have a discussion about others experiences with this.
If people disagree with me - fine. No need for people to be dickheads though.
My view entirely.
Our pluralist democracy is an eternal battle about where the line of balance is. It ebbs & flows along the policies of whoever is in power. Tempered according to the balance of the Senate.
Currently we have a Government riven with internal ideological clashes. Populists, ideologues, wets & drys & the religious conservatives are at each others throats & tearing themselves apart.
Tony Abbotts recent Backflip over the Paris accord is nearly the funniest bit of desperate & cynical politicing one could possibly hope to see.
