A 100 goal season & Joe Daniher: is he overwhelmingly the most capable player of achieving it again?

Is Daniher overwhelmingly the only player capable of kicking 100 goals in a season?

  • Yes

    Votes: 25 15.8%
  • No

    Votes: 133 84.2%

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He wouldn’t be, the thread is two years old. No a fluke would be a statistical anomaly, like one out of the box and then back to normality. It was an upwards trend. He was constantly improving year to year (aka development) and kicked 65 when he was 23, three years before a KPF even enters their prime. He was trending towards an 80 goal a year peak and from there magic can happen. It was always unlikely and Lance was being braggadocious and facetious. He’s certainly sucked you in.

Ahh, Lance was merely pretending to be stupid. How clever.
 
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Im certain it will happen again one day, we will see some big freak athlete with the skills to match, or some freak once in a generation player. The game constantly twists and turns, it was only just over a decade ago we saw someone kick 100+ and another player kick 99.
It's going to happen again, but I highly doubt it will be Joe.
 
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Im certain it will happen again one day, we will see some big freak athlete with the skills to match, or some freak once in a generation player. The game constantly twists and turns, it was only just over a decade ago we saw someone kick 100+ and another player kick 99.
It's going to happen again, but I highly doubt it will be Joe.
everyone forgets Fev
 
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everyone forgets Fev
That's what I mean, if two players basically achieved 100 only a decade ago, and Fraser Gherig did it a few years before that, it's certainly not outside of memory.

It will happen, it just needs the right player at the right time, at the right team to come along.
 
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That's what I mean, if two players basically achieved 100 only a decade ago, and Fraser Gherig did it a few years before that, it's certainly not outside of memory.

It will happen, it just needs the right player at the right time, at the right team to come along.

Buddy would have done it multiple times, had he not gone off the rails with women & the recreational drugs.....Not to mention his busted thumb....The fact he did it as a 21 year old shows you just how much scope he had to be the best player in the history of the game.
 
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.The fact he did it as a 21 year old shows you just how much scope he had to be the best player in the history of the game.

What - you mean like Geoff Blethyn, who kicked 100 goals aged 21, or Ron Todd, who kicked 100 goals aged 21, or John Colkeman, who kicked 100 goals aged 20, or Larry Donohue who kicked 100 goals aged 21, or a few others.................................. and Franklin has only done it once.

Franklin is probably the best player in the AFL over the last 15 years (IMO, and I'm a Tigers man, and yes, we had two chances at him), but there's quite a few Key Forwards at his level in the history of the game.
 
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What - you mean like Geoff Blethyn, who kicked 100 goals aged 21, or Ron Todd, who kicked 100 goals aged 21, or John Coleman, who kicked 100 goals aged 20, or Larry Donohue who kicked 100 goals aged 21, or a few others.................................. and Franklin has only done it once.

Franklin is probably the best player in the AFL over the last 15 years (IMO, and I'm a Tigers man, and yes, we had two chances at him), but there's quite a few Key Forwards at his level in the history of the game.


Ouch....Throwing both Larry Donohue & Geoff Blethyn in my face…..That smarts.
 
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Buddy would have done it multiple times, had he not gone off the rails with women & the recreational drugs.....Not to mention his busted thumb....The fact he did it as a 21 year old shows you just how much scope he had to be the best player in the history of the game.
The thing about career best year is you can only have one.

Think it's a little naive to blame the fact he didnt kick multiple 100s on "drugs and women". What even does that mean? He had too much sex to play well?

I think its more to do with the fact its incredibly hard to do in the modern game, just not impossible.

Hes still the greatest forward of the 00s.
 
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The thing about career best year is you can only have one.

Think it's a little naive to blame the fact he didnt kick multiple 100s on "drugs and women". What even does that mean? He had too much sex to play well?

I think its more to do with the fact its incredibly hard to do in the modern game, just not impossible.

Hes still the greatest forward of the 00s.

Not in Buddy's case.....It was definitely him losing his way in the social milieu that stopped him from having a far more successful career.....Watch his melt-down in the 2012 Grand Final, where he couldn't even hit the side of a barn door.

The Budwah has all the natural ability in the world - but if you aint prepared to apply yourself - then that raw ability alone won't see you improve your game.

Put Sam Mitchell's application into Buds raw athletic abilities & you'd have the best player to have played the comp ever.
 
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Not in Buddy's case.....It was definitely him losing his way in the social milieu that stopped him from having a far more successful career.....Watch his melt-down in the 2012 Grand Final, where he couldn't even hit the side of a barn door.

The Budwah has all the natural ability in the world - but if you aint prepared to apply yourself - then that raw ability alone won't see you improve your game.

Put Sam Mitchell's application into Buds raw athletic abilities & you'd have the best player to have played the comp ever.
Let's not go nuts, Buddy is a freak athlete, but there are better footballers that have played the game. Buddy would probably have 1200 already if he could take a pack/contested overhead mark or kick with greater accuracy.

I think you're still missing the point of an out of the box career best year. Fev had one, Gehrig had one, Martin had one in 2017. The fact they wont/didnt reach those heights again, it's not unique to Buddy. You can only have one career best year. Dont spin rubbish about women and drugs ruined him, the game doesnt make it easy to kick 100 multiple times in a career anymore.
 

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That's what I mean, if two players basically achieved 100 only a decade ago, and Fraser Gherig did it a few years before that, it's certainly not outside of memory.

It will happen, it just needs the right player at the right time, at the right team to come along.

I'm not so sure, Fev kicked 99 for the bottom team, these days the bottom sides leading scorer is closer to 20 because they throw so many numbers behind the ball an make it impossible for forwards. The only way it could happen is if they restrict interchanges back to a minimal level so that specialist forwards make a comeback or else I can't see it happening
 
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I'm not so sure, Fev kicked 99 for the bottom team, these days the bottom sides leading scorer is closer to 20 because they throw so many numbers behind the ball an make it impossible for forwards. The only way it could happen is if they restrict interchanges back to a minimal level so that specialist forwards make a comeback or else I can't see it happening
6-6-6 might have some beneficial effect too. Itl happen one day.
 

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6-6-6 might have some beneficial effect too. Itl happen one day.

I really hope so. Carlton were watchable as * with fev back then. They are a disaster to watch right now. Same goes for GC an StKilda. Horrifically boring.

The 6 rule might cause some huge smashing, might also cause some upsets as teams can't just defend anymore.

It's great that it forces you to try an score rather than not concede
 
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I'm not so sure, Fev kicked 99 for the bottom team, these days the bottom sides leading scorer is closer to 20 because they throw so many numbers behind the ball an make it impossible for forwards. The only way it could happen is if they restrict interchanges back to a minimal level so that specialist forwards make a comeback or else I can't see it happening
Buddy is a freak athlete BECAUSE of the number of Colemans he has got without being accurate and not the best contested mark. It’s actually crazy that a FF hasn’t got those tools and still kicks so many.

I both hate and love him...forever
 
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I really hope so. Carlton were watchable as fu** with fev back then. They are a disaster to watch right now. Same goes for GC an StKilda. Horrifically boring.

The 6 rule might cause some huge smashing, might also cause some upsets as teams can't just defend anymore.

It's great that it forces you to try an score rather than not concede
Those quick centre clearances ending in a goal from a leading forward are nice to watch. They don’t happen very often though
 
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In the modern era the 100 goal a season milestone is lamented as a relic of the past, thanks to modern day structures and full ground press tactics. Some wonder whether we will ever see another 100 goal season again, whereas some believe it's cyclical, and that at some golden point in the future we'll again see the return of the full-forward centurion.

But maybe the milestone might not be achieved by a full forward. And Joe Daniher might just be the man of the moment.

Obviously the first reason why this thesis is going to be derided is his kicking. And that is a very valid criticism and it may well be true. If Daniher doesn't improve his set shot kicking for goal he will never come close to the century. Fair call. Acknowledged. Yes I heard you, you're right. You don't need to go on about it. Well, ok then, maybe you do.

See, the thing is, everyone can see the guy has an absolutely beautiful kicking mechanic, when he's on the run. Seeing him pin the ears back outside 50 he rarely misses. Hell, the guy can sell candy and dob them from outside 50 off just a step or two. So it's a matter of whether he can translate that obvious ability to his set shots that are going to be his biggest challenge.

That will be closely followed by the quality of the delivery he gets. Up until recently it hasn't been great. Hopefully it can be good enough moving forwards not to be an issue, at least for large blocks of time. But this isn't going to be as big an issue as you might think, and as it might be for most other players.

Here's why Daniher is overwhelmingly the most likely player to kick 100 goals again:

He has the capacity to generate enough shots.

It's that simple.

He's already doing it now. If he could convert a good number of misses and OOBs to goals he is already a good chunk of the way there.

Because Daniher is an extraordinarily mobile player who can play a combination of ruck and CHF, he is not held back by structures in the same way that other players are. He isn't dependent as much as others on how the ball is coming to him. He can generate the shots.

There are some other remarkably talented forwards in the comp, and let's hope there are some others who can do it too if he can. But Joe Daniher is almost the complete package.

Can he do it? If so why? If not, why not? (Yes I can still hear you, kicking - got it!) Who else can do it, and why? Should I be keeping it in my pants or is it a valid topic for discussion? I can't wait to find out
Wow! I don't believe in superstition, but it looks as though you really jinxed poor Joe

Since you posted this, he has played just 26 of a possible 55 games and kicked 59 goals (avg 2.27)

Daniher is 26 next year, so realistically he has about 3 or 4 seasons left to fulfill your prediction.
You never know. He might do it. If not next year, then maybe in 2021 or 2022.
 
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Coaches dont want it... prefering for flexibility & unpredictability... therefore i cant see it in the foreseeable future.
This is a key factor, back in the day the coaching directive was probably more commonly "Just kick it to Lockett". These days it would be harder for a KPF forward to score so many goals because coaches are looking for varied avenues to goal, midfielders kick goals, goals from turnovers and tackle pressure, resting mids in the goalsquare, etc. It's not as simple as just kick it to the big guy 1 on 1 in 2019.
 
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