So you don’t think holdens have a case?And rightly so.
I don't listen to Tim much though, he's almost as bad as Roland.
When suddenly 5 fords who were nowhere in the last 3 years are now at the front?
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So you don’t think holdens have a case?And rightly so.
I don't listen to Tim much though, he's almost as bad as Roland.
Holden were exploiting a loophole, this issue is just sorting out aeroSo you don’t think holdens have a case?
When suddenly 5 fords who were nowhere in the last 3 years are now at the front?
Wouldn’t you say the exhausts are a loophole?Holden were exploiting a loophole, this issue is just sorting out aero
Did Ford have a case when 888 were winning year after year?So you don’t think holdens have a case?
When suddenly 5 fords who were nowhere in the last 3 years are now at the front?
They probably did, but from my memory they didn’t come from nowhere and suddenly appear up the front.Did Ford have a case when 888 were winning year after year?
They had the deepest pockets
Now Penske has as deep or deeper
888 weren't just winning they destroyed the series for yearsThey probably did, but from my memory they didn’t come from nowhere and suddenly appear up the front.
You do realise Penske have someone on the board, might even be 2 people.
* those Mustangs are good. Seriously though, take it like a man. Ford have been copping a flogging since the start of time. Holden win everything at a ratio of about 3:1. Surely everyone should be able to handle Ford dominating for one year.So you don’t think holdens have a case?
When suddenly 5 fords who were nowhere in the last 3 years are now at the front?
I don’t really have a problem with it, my problem is with people who think the whinging only happens from one team and direction when it full well happens the other way.**** those Mustangs are good. Seriously though, take it like a man. Ford have been copping a flogging since the start of time. Holden win everything at a ratio of about 3:1. Surely everyone should be able to handle Ford dominating for one year.
I know it’s a long way to go but it won’t matter who drives for Triple 8 at Bathurst if this keeps up.
Know I'm gonna get shouted down here but I'm not a fan of the Opel and American ford thing.
We know that the "race on Sunday sell on Monday" mantra is gone for the Australian car market because there is no Australian cars anymore.
Edit: Mustang doesn't need to race to sell on Monday, they're everywhere and as common as a VF ........... meh. Where as Opel, well their s**t just ain't sellin. race or not, this non V8 Opel decision is probably gonna bite em in the ass. And probably in part responsible for the saturation of american muscle in our market.
My tip is we'll see a growth of the TCM (if not already) over time and an eventual death of the Australian Touring Car Championship - because there are no cars to represent the Aussie public anymore.
The series will only appeal to purist touring car racing enthusiasts, not so much touring car enthusiasts (unless you have a penchant for muzzies old and new) . Where as the touring car masters is growing in popularity year on year and has Australian Fords and Holdens in it.
TCM is not a professional class (A novelty as well). Supercars are a professional class. Therefore TCM is not taking over supercars.Know I'm gonna get shouted down here but I'm not a fan of the Opel and American ford thing.
We know that the "race on Sunday sell on Monday" mantra is gone for the Australian car market because there is no Australian cars anymore.
Edit: Mustang doesn't need to race to sell on Monday, they're everywhere and as common as a VF ........... meh. Where as Opel, well their s**t just ain't sellin. race or not, this non V8 Opel decision is probably gonna bite em in the ass. And probably in part responsible for the saturation of american muscle in our market.
My tip is we'll see a growth of the TCM (if not already) over time and an eventual death of the Australian Touring Car Championship - because there are no cars to represent the Aussie public anymore.
The series will only appeal to purist touring car racing enthusiasts, not so much touring car enthusiasts (unless you have a penchant for muzzies old and new) . Where as the touring car masters is growing in popularity year on year and has Australian Fords and Holdens in it.
Maybe he meant TCR, I sure hope he did.TCM is not a professional class (A novelty as well). Supercars are a professional class. Therefore TCM is not taking over supercars.
The only category that could overtake supercars would be a modern up to 2 litre class. But even then, the transition won't be quick. It's not like it's one year one way, then the next year will be the other way.
There's also that supercars being an industry in itself will be hard to break down and transfer to another class.
The ATCC can't die. It's a generic name and isn't one thing or another. It's a name for the designated highest level in Australia.
Carringbush referred to "touring car masters" in the last line of his post.Maybe he meant TCR, I sure hope he did.
Carringbush referred to "touring car masters" in the last line of his post.
Ford and Holden fix? If it's the case for some fans and they want to follow it because of that? Then so be it.TCR to take over, TCM for the Australian Ford and Holden fix?
Ford and Holden fix? If it's the case for some fans and they want to follow it because of that? Then so be it.
Otherwise, it's pointless and should just be left in the past. There would be some fans nowadays (The younger particularly where Ford/Holden rivalry is bs and I suspect puts them off.
Talking about Ford/Holden is similar to banging on about Cold Chisel. How many people think Cold Chisel is s**t?
TCM is not a professional class (A novelty as well). Supercars are a professional class. Therefore TCM is not taking over supercars.
The only category that could overtake supercars would be a modern up to 2 litre class. But even then, the transition won't be quick. It's not like it's one year one way, then the next year will be the other way.
There's also that supercars being an industry in itself will be hard to break down and transfer to another class.
The ATCC can't die. It's a generic name and isn't one thing or another. It's a name for the designated highest level in Australia.
Yes I'm well aware that supercars are an industry, and I'm also aware that TCM is not a professional set up.
That's not the point I'm making and you know exactly the point I'm making.
For me and probably the majority of the non hardcore touring car racing fans it will lose its appeal because it has an american ford and re badged european in a supposed Australian Touring Car Championship.
The only thing Australian about it now is the fact that it takes place on Australian soil with home grown talent (and international talent), even then it's also competed internationally.
What brought the non hardcore fans to the racetrack to the ATCC and later the Supercars was the Australian manufactured cars competing in it. All the way back to Cortinas, Munros, Falcons and Valiants then later Toranas and Commodores.................... something the average race fan could connect to.
That's something the TCM has and the now supercars does not.
Supercars will eventually only keep it's hardcore race fans, not your average Billy who owns an SS V8 or an XR8.
It's a shame the Australian car industry has lost it's car manufacturers and it will impact the supercars popularity and to suggest it won't is naive.
No, I don't.Yes I'm well aware that supercars are an industry, and I'm also aware that TCM is not a professional set up.
That's not the point I'm making and you know exactly the point I'm making.
Yes.For me and probably the majority of the non hardcore touring car racing fans it will lose its appeal because it has an american ford and re badged european in a supposed Australian Touring Car Championship.
Yes.The only thing Australian about it now is the fact that it takes place on Australian soil with home grown talent (and international talent), even then it's also competed internationally.
Cars being manufactured here is not important. What's important is what are the highest selling cars in the country. That's the case in every country.What brought the non hardcore fans to the racetrack to the ATCC and later the Supercars was the Australian manufactured cars competing in it. All the way back to Cortinas, Munros, Falcons and Valiants then later Toranas and Commodores.................... something the average race fan could connect to.
That's something the TCM has and the now supercars does not.
Yes. If it's not already, it speedway on tarmac.Supercars will eventually only keep it's hardcore race fans, not your average Billy who owns an SS V8 or an XR8.
Tbh, the supercars industry deserves to finally piss off and die.It's a shame the Australian car industry has lost it's car manufacturers and it will impact the supercars popularity and to suggest it won't is naive.
Long story short - local motorsport is rooted.
No, I don't.
Tbh, the supercars industry deserves to finally piss off and die.
Ford and Holden fix? If it's the case for some fans and they want to follow it because of that? Then so be it.
Otherwise, it's pointless and should just be left in the past. There would be some fans nowadays (The younger particularly where Ford/Holden rivalry is bs and I suspect puts them off.
Talking about Ford/Holden is similar to banging on about Cold Chisel. How many people think Cold Chisel is s**t?
Maybe he meant TCR, I sure hope he did.