Not a trade but by golly Wilkie was a very good find by the Saints.
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Hmmm. Ones averaging 16 disposals, the other 29. Obvious which one is having a bigger influence. Shiel was exactly what Carlton need.
You can try and spin revisionist history as much as you want but nothing will make it true. Carlton were ready to sell the farm for Shiel, they thought a private jet to Noosa would seal the deal, reality is he just didn't want to go there.
No. You were never giving up pick 1 in 2018 for Shiel.Shiel would have cost us Walsh. We're fine thanks.
You don’t know what GWS would have accepted. All we know is Carlton weren’t giving up Walsh and were deperate for Shiel. If Shiel wanted to come to Carlton both of them would have been playing for the Blues today.Correct. I'm saying that is what it would have taken. GWS weren't going to accept our future 1st. We were at an impasse.
You don’t know what GWS would have accepted. All we know is Carlton weren’t giving up Walsh and were deperate for Shiel. If Shiel wanted to come to Carlton both of them would have been playing for the Blues today.
They ended up accepting likely 2 mid range first rounders from the Bombers. 2019 Carlton first probably would have been enough (and more appealing).
You tell me I don't know what GWS would have accepted, despite their opening ambit refusal and then suggest your own version of what they would have accepted. No need to be hypocritical or a right fighter in order to paint a 'Carlton fail' scenario.
You tell me I don't know what GWS would have accepted, despite their opening ambit refusal and then suggest your own version of what they would have accepted. No need to be hypocritical or a right fighter in order to paint a 'Carlton fail' scenario.
Pretty hard to keep everyone when you have a reducing list size anyway.What we know was keeping the no.1 pick looks the correct move by the blues. I think dylan Shiel is a very nice player but if I had that trade on the table mid-season and missed it drafted Walsh I would be a happy man. I kept my salary cap in tact and got a gem.
The thing that should not be overlooked with GWS is the model they used so many high picks cost so much money in salary. If your top 10 like a paul Ahern and playing NEAFL you could be costing 350k you probably have 5 or 6 guys like that.
Then when they lost the cap kicker you end up having to trade basically a whole AFL side and regenerate it. So a lot of these guys like Shiel, Scully, Treloar, Smith, Steele, Lobb, Setterfield you just cannot afford to keep.
So the value is down and when you get high picks in return those salaries blow you right out down the line.
Pretty hard to keep everyone when you have a reducing list size anyway.
With Rance I heard.Steven May having a good year sinking cans
For Carlton, Newman is having a huge influence (4th in the league for metres gained) and helping to fill the massive void left by Sam Docherty. Great result for a 4th rounder.
In terms of value, he must be the recruit of the year. Has been brilliant for what Carlton gave up for him
If people were voting honestly, Neale would have 100% of the votes. I don’t understand how anyone could argue any different.